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Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - bananastand

HERE! I knew the tyres were getting to the end of their lives so I got down and had a feel, and actually I forget what the front ones were like tbh, because the rear ones, although they seemed reasonable when you looked at them, on the inside, the flipping metal mesh-type stuff was poking through! So that's why I was slipping all over in the wet, I thought.

Yes, yes, I know I should have checked earlier, don't all shout at once, I didn't say I was perfect did I?

I got a brand new set of four for about £275 from Roscoe Tyres in St Helens WA10, a most excellent outlet. The tyres are extremely fat, as were the old ones, so much so that even when fully inflated they look a bit flat. But they're not.

Anyway a couple of months on, after many miles towing a caravan and a trip abroad, I now notice the inside tread wearing faster than the outside on the rear tyres.

So I did what I should have done out of common sense - looking at the car from the back, as my GF drove off this morning, the rear tyres (I don't know what you call this in the trade) lean in at the top, thereby placing more pressure on the inside where it meets the road.

So before I get a pro to look at it, is this a sign of worn springs, shocks, or some kind of insane misalignment, or what. Thanks chaps.

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - gordonbennet

Thats unusual, our Outy wheels were all upright and all tyres wore evenly, indeed the fronts wore smoother than just about any car i've owned, it also steered precisely so must have been very well aligned.

Disturbing that you should detect any signs of slipping or skidding, whilst neither of us really took to the Outy (hence replaced with a Sub Outback), its stability indeed competent handling in any weather on any road surface was beyond reproach, if a little stiffly sprung/damped for my taste, so good was it that country roads could be driven faster than almost any car i've known before...just point and it went there...HJ made similar mention in his reviews above, something is definately wrong here.

Standard size tyres 215/60 x 16?, with a later upgrade to 17" (215/55?) on snazzier wheels, you mention them being wide, has someone stuck aftermarket wide wheels and tyres on it?

They do suffer at the back end from top link bush wear, jacking the rear wheels up and pivoting the wheels should show it up, if not stick a lever under the top link and prise it both ways, you might hear it knocking metal to metal if the bushes are completely shot, though i'd have thought the MOT tester should have picked this up.

If there's no obvious wear or damage, and there are a lot of bushes/links involved, i can't see as you have any option but to have the vehicle fully aligned, including caster and camber.

Thinking aloud i wonder if someone's fitted new rear bushes/springs/shockers/driveshafts and maybe hasn't marked any eccentric bolts used for altering camber before removing them.

edit..if the top links need bushes, start soaking the obvious long through bolts chassis side in plus gas or similar every couple of days till you can get them done, they rust badly.

Edited by gordonbennet on 07/06/2014 at 09:11

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - bananastand

Thanks Gordon. Now you mention all that technical stuff, none of which I understand, there do seem to be some squeaks and groans which I haven't identified. I think some gear has definitely worn or needs fixing or something.

There is a garage I've been using for years and I'm thinking they maybe aren't as good as they used to be, if they've missed all this stuff. The owner has retired and the "lads" have taken it over.

The tyres and wheels seem to be standard really but the GF has gone out for the day so i can't check.

How ironic would it be if her journey ended in preventable tragedy

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - gordonbennet

The back end groans anyway, if you poke your nose underneath you'll find there's far more to the rear suspension, and the location of the rear diff in particular than you would expect, its very complicated back there.

You'll also notice than the rear suspension and subframe suffers from rust**, if you borrow my OCD head for a couple of hours, obviously after this job is sorted out, and coat the entire underside back there in spray on waxy anti rust....suggest Bilt Hamber, Dinitrol, Rejel in no particular order but use aerosols for ease and cleanliness...then once you've sealed the underside against further salt attcke, the bonus is that you'll have lubricated all those bushes with a waxy coating that won't hurt them, and they'll quieten down...in fact you might be surprised just how much quieter the whole car is if you do the wheel arches etc. The ride will be softer too.

Beware, this sort of maintanenace is addictive when you find out just how long your cars can last..:-))

**all cars suffer with this type of corrosion, i have to smile when people, who never look under cars, tell me how rust is a thing of the past.

Edited by gordonbennet on 07/06/2014 at 10:05

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - bananastand

Thanks our Gordon, I will report back after I zip down to Roscoe for them to have a look. While I'm on the subject, I had a funny noise from the brakes just after servicing (that garage where the owner has retired) when they had a look they said it might be the pads "chattering". The pads and discs were otherwise fine apparently.

I'm looking forward to presenting my findings during the week.

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - gordonbennet

Bananstand, whilst there get them to check the rear caliper operation, pistons and sliders are inclined to seize up..if thats the case you can be sure the fronts want servicing too.

Our Outy had a full dealer service history, which as far as the brakes were concerned meant completely zilch...and that seems to be the case with far too many main dealer workshops' efforts when it comes to proper brake maintenance these days.

When we bought the car it took a lot of stopping, and one rear brake was dragging badly, once serviced and new padded all round, it braked superbly, eventually needed a refurbed caliper on the rear as lack of servicing/lubing through its life saw a badly corroded piston one side....easy fit though, approx £60 exchange IIRC, so not a big worry, stupid price from the main dealer as you would expect.

looking forward to the update.

Edited by gordonbennet on 07/06/2014 at 11:17

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - bananastand

I've printed this out so I can pretend to know what the hell I'm on about. The car was only a shade over £2K and it has been a dream really, all the servicing schedule is great - however there has been a lot of work needed on each MOT, apart from the last one!

By the way, the slipping/skidding was entirely down to the appalling state of the tyres, not the car itself. my fault.

Edited by bananastand on 07/06/2014 at 11:29

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - bananastand

Thanks everyone for the superb advice. There are three bushes to each rear wheel, and one of them on each wheel, the one nearest to the centre of the car, was shot. So I had to get them from the main dealer, who thought I only wanted one (since when do you only replace a bush on one side?)

Anyway I got two bushes eventually after having to tell the Mitsubishi parts man to STOP ARGUING WITH ME.

The new tyres carried on wearing in the inside however, and I've just had to replace them again. The metal was showing through!

There is a difference of opinion at the garage, the superb Roscoe of St Helens. Some say the rear wheels are not sitting right (they lean in slightly) while others say that the combination of new tyres and new bushes should be okay. It certainly drives much better.

However the pipe that connects the fuel tank to the filler cap thing is rotten and leaking! That's another dealer only item!

Part exchange time! So if you see an 05 Outlander for sale anywhere look carefully underneath!

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - gordonbennet

Bananastand, why am i not surprised your dealer experience was as you've described, much as i like Mitsi's the dealers let the marque down IMO and i doubt i'd have another, parts back up isn't great OE pricey, low volumes doesn't help with aftermarket.

Looking forward to hearing what you get next.

Our foray into the world of Subaru has been enlightening and wish i'd done so years ago, it was the way my sons Imprezza stood up to his demonic treatment that really brought them to my attention, having been right through the present Outback (02 plate H6 103k bought for less than £1100) i'm very impressed with the simple to fix but tough engineering , even as old as this is everything still works well and everything comes undone without seizing shearing or rounding off, these cars really are designed to be maintained...well apart from spark plug changes that is, which due to engine layout is a pita....oh and exhausts are scandalously priced ( a genuine full length replacement would cost more than the car did) so SS custom made it will be when required.

Other than that Scoobs have very good aftermarket parts availaibility and excellent forums for advice and help... info for Mitsi Outy 1 was difficult to find.

Edited by gordonbennet on 11/07/2014 at 15:54

Mitsubishi Outlander - outrageously uneven tyre wear - bananastand

Thanks Gordon, nice one. Why did I not think of Subarus... right that's another load of Autotrader scouring to do...