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Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - LagoonNaiad

First time poster so hope this is in the right place :)

We want to start running a family car. Last time I ran a car regularly was 7 years ago and it was an inherited old boxy micra so this is really all very different. Had a few refresher lessons and I think I'm as good to go as I'm going to get without having a car and driving regularly again. Car will probably be used for weekly shopping trips, occasional runs across the city, fortnightly runs to the countryside and a longer trip with motorway driving about every other month.

Saved up 4k (to include insurance, parking permit, car seats etc) so we have about 3k to spend on a car (test drove a nissan note the other day as an example). However, my FiL has suggested that we get something for about 1k and have plenty of spare cash incase something goes wrong or to have the money for my husband to learn to drive. Bit worried about reliability - I don't want to break down on the side of the motorway with two preschoolers in the back - but that's a risk with any car really, used or not and I reckon about 1/3 of the cars I see running about are an 02 plate or earlier.

Was looking at a 1.6 petrol focus or a honda civic from about 2002, but it was suggested that I pick up a diesel mk3 mondeo. On paper, the car tax is the same and the insurance is only a bit more expensive (less than £100/year). Room for 2 car seats and a passenger in the back and a much bigger boot for all the random tat we seem to carry around these days. I reckon I can learn to park something bigger with a bit of practice.

However, I am unsure about running a diesel as I've heard they're only good for higher mileage drivers and they cost a fortune to repair. But I've also heard that a well maintained diesel engine will run 'forever'. I've been thinking on it and googling and I am still nowhere near a conclusion so I figured I would get some more opinions.

Any advice? Should I spend closer to 1k or 3k on a car and should I avoid diesels given how little I expect to be driving?

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - Ed V

Engines are rarely the cause of cars going to heaven. It's all the bits, whether rust, or bearings or gears etc.

Generally, petrol cars made in Asia will be your best bet - get the newest one you can afford even if annual mileage has been high. There's a 2008 Nissan Micra for £1995 on Autotrader with 130,000miles. That's the sort of thing I'd suggest you search for.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - LagoonNaiad

Thank you (as I said a minute ago not just because you agree with me!).

Will definitely bear that in mind, I'm not too scared of a high mileage car because I'm probably not going to be adding a massive amount to it.

By cars made in Asia, is that mostly Japanese brands or are Kia, Hyundai etc worth considering as well?

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - Avant

Welcome to the forum. No problem with another 'what car....?' thread - it's probably one of the most useful things a forum like this can offer.

Obviously the more you pay the newer car you get: £1k really is in banger territory and you may be lucky, you may not. I think I'd spend a bit more on something Japanese and petrol-powered: my favourites would be a Toyota Yaris if you want a small car (go for the 5-door 1.3) or for something bigger a Honda Jazz or old-shape (pre-2007) Honda Civic.

Avoid diesels unless you're going to do a very high mileage, and it sounds as if you aren't. Old diesels can be horribly expensive if they go wrong.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - LagoonNaiad

Thank you. (Not least because you agree with the type of car I was originally looking at and that it's worth spending as much as possible for future reliability)

The first car I was considering was actually a 1.2 99-05 Yaris but the boot just looked a bit too small for a pushchair and a week's worth of luggage for four people. With modern cars, would a roof box and a fully laden car be too much for a 1.2 engine on the motorway? My old nissan would struggle to get upto speed on a slip road when it was fully laden.

I also was told that smaller cars were less safe in a collision because of things like side airbags and crumple room. Is that true at all?

Back to the drawing board then. I really don't like the look of the new Micra, but ToyotaYaris/Honda Jazz/Nissan Note have all been on my shortlist at some point. I did quite like the Note I test drove (loved the high driving position), but the one I looked at was expensive for what it was and I didn't get a chance to take it out on a faster road to try it at 50mph+.

Are Mazda, Hyundai and Kia (I know the latter two aren't Japanese, so not sure if they have the same reliability) worth looking at as well? Drove a diesel mazda 2 a few times and I had no complaints and I've always half admired the C'eed from a distance.

Edited by LagoonNaiad on 29/05/2014 at 20:53

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - Happy Blue!

For a family of four with the need for lugging children's 'stuff', but without the luxury of lots of cash a car like the Note is a very good option.

There are not too many spacious cars around like that. Having said that, for little money you could look for a Hyundai Matrix, or a Diahatsu Materia, Daewoo/Chevrolet Tacuma, Ford Fusion, Mazda 2 (pre 2008 I think), Vauxhall Meriva (pre 2011)

If you are doing limited miles, fuel economy is almost irrelvant. Consider reliability and condition first.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - galileo

Unless you will do 20,000 miles a year don't get a diesel.

Toyota, Hyundai/Kia, Suzuki all have a good reputation for reliability, Toyotas will usually be the most expensive of these brands.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - kerbed enthusiasm

I'm beating the drum again for Mazda. I ran a diesel Mazda Premacy for 7 years and 80,000 miles with hardly a fault. It was eventually purchased by a very nice young couple who had travelled the length of the country to find a car with FSH. The petrols don't have fabulous economy but that may not be an issue if you don't do a high mileage.

All Mazdas (323, Premacy, 626) had a very good reliability record prior to their connection with Ford. A Mazda 323 can now be had for banger money and would probably serve you very well. The Premacy was, for us, the perfect family car as it offered good levels of space, comfort and economy - look at the car by car review of this site for further information. Be warned though that: a) the 2.0 diesel used in these models are old fashioned direct injection units and are relatively agricultural; b) the plastics used in the cabin, though hard-wearing, can't be described as high quality!

Another car that might suit your needs is the Mitsubishi Lancer 2005-2008 (WhatCar names it as the most reliable used car). Good luck with your search.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - Bobbin Threadbare

I'm beating the drum again for Mazda. I ran a diesel Mazda Premacy for 7 years and 80,000 miles with hardly a fault. It was eventually purchased by a very nice young couple who had travelled the length of the country to find a car with FSH. The petrols don't have fabulous economy but that may not be an issue if you don't do a high mileage.


I will too - I've had 2 Mazdas in a row (all petrols, one I ran to well over 100k and current one is at just over 80k) and my mum runs one. Never missed a beat.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - Avant

Beware: some Mazda diesel engines have had very expensive failures - presumably not the type of engine which went in the Premacy. Generally I'd advise the great majority of used car buyers to go for a petrol.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - kerbed enthusiasm

I absolutely agree, Avant. I had catastrophic problems with a Ford diesel and would never repeat the experience. The old direction injection units seemed to be far more reliable and robust, but of course were unable to meet emissions criteria.

There have been so many reports of modern Mazda diesels self-destructing that I'd never buy one out of warranty.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - LagoonNaiad

Here's a little update in my search to work out what we need.

I popped down to our local Toyota guy (local specialist garage, not main dealer) yesterday and had a proper look at a 55 T3 Yaris. I reckon we could just about get a pushchair and all the stuff for a week in with the seats all the way forward. I like the driving position and visibility, didn't test drive it because it seemed a bit cheeky when it was almost 4k and out of price and negotiation range. The guy also reassured me that modern small cars are not going to struggle to go above 60 with 4 adults and luggage in, let alone 2 adults and 2 children.

Perhaps most importantly, it felt like the type of car I would be comfortable driving again, not the type of car I would have to learn to drive.

Still not sure if it might be a bit small though and roof boxes are more expensive than I realised so it would probably be more economical to go a bit bigger now if we're going to outgrow it in less than 3 years.

My husband thinks he might be uncomfortable sitting in the front of it, so I guess I have to take him to try sitting in it. I think he'll be pleasantly surprised at the height and how much room there is with the seats forward (and the kids don't need that much legroom - yet!).

Haven't completely ruled out the Note just yet, but I'm leaning towards the Yaris for a few years then after the other half passes his test and I'm used to driving again then we can get something bigger. Think I'm leaning towards a Note instead of a Focus/2006 Civic (Although I was tempted to look at an i30 that had all sorts of toys on it and was just in price range) because I like the visibility in a higher car and find the length easier to judge but I might have to give the latter two a look if I decide that we do need something bigger.

Thanks again guys, feel free to keep suggesting cars I've overlooked but this has been really helpful.

Edited by LagoonNaiad on 31/05/2014 at 11:13

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - LagoonNaiad

Oh also, there's the odd mk2 Yaris (new shape, but early mk2 I *think*) showing up when I'm looking around. Is it worth holding out for the newer model or should I stick with a late mk1 if I go Yaris?

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - galileo

SWMBO has a 55 plate 1.3 Yaris, performance is adequate for motorway trips and economical locally, one son is 6ft tall, has borrowed it when his car is being serviced, no complaints about leg- and headroom.

Would recommend if you are sure it's big enough, if not I would also recommend i30/Ceed as better value for the price than many others in that size range.

Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - Alby Back
No such thing as a car with 'too much' room for a family in my view. Plenty available with too little though...

Happy hunting !
Sorry, it's a 'what car should I get' post! - daveyK_UK

Go for a note but stick with the 1.4 or 1.6 petrol engine

Reliable

Cheap to buy

Cheap to insure

Cheap parts

Chain can engine

Loads of space (best in class)

Loads of headroom

Lots of choice on the used market

For £3 grand you should be able to pick up a 1.4 with less than 70,000 miles on with full service history on a 08 plate

Edited by daveyK_UK on 01/06/2014 at 16:32