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New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - sjdean

Im looking to replace my car, a Nissan Primera P11-144. 2001, Petrol, 85k on clock, 1.8 Engine.


It has started smoking on startup, possible valve seal fault which could cost upto £600, gear's are starting to get difficult to engage so there's a possibility of clutch, new tyres, new exhaust system, rear brakes, accessory belt, get the oil stain out of the rear seat - could be looking at £1500 I reckon tops.

So what to get instead? I do 10,000 miles per year, I don't like debt, I don't have a budget per se, the cheaper the better, but my homework suggests I should budget around £4000, but if there's a must have car, I guess it's a no brainer doubling the loan amount and period to £8000. No family, or pets, I do carry passengers and other equipment from time to time (note - not a taxi). So I care about my comfort and others comfort. I like gadgets, so air con, electric windows all round, electric mirrors is a must. Not fussed about leather and heated seats though, or climate control. iPod and Bluetooth connectivity is a requirement whether it's part of the car or available through an add on, with full integration - ie, not just a parrot kit of audio in cable, I want to control the device through the radio. Either that or I have the ability to change the radio for an OEM. Other things are niceties, but I think if I had to put two things at the top of my list for other most desirable things, it would be: Front Fog Lights for the aesthetics - they really do change the look of a car (even though I don't use them) and heated front screen.

My current car is a Nissan Primera P11-144 1.8, so that is my benchmark. Im looking for stuff with similar or better MPG, BHP, 0-60 and CO2 for road tax.

My shortlist includes:

Nissan Primera P12 Petrol SE Model and above - very reasonably priced if you can find them, and practically identical spec. Would need to change the radio though which means soldering to bypass the touchscreen built in unit.

Skoda Octavia 1.6 (2006 FSI) Petrol - Decent specs and OK looks, ticks all the boxes for MPG, CO2 etc for sub £4000 (60k mile cars). Could add an MDI unit. Think these are timing chain, don't know how reliable compared to the Primera.

Honda Civic 1.8 Petrol - again for sub £4000, can get a great car, but I don't like the dash - I find it disorientating.

Toyota Avensis 1.8 Petrol - Great specs, but I don't like the pedals - too close together.

Skoda Octavia 2.0 vRS (2006) Petrol - Im tempted by this - a little over my budget, but the bhp and 0-60 could make this an exciting car to drive, reasonable MPG for such a car.

Ford Mondeo Diesel - Of some description. I know the latter model Titanium X should be iPod connectable, but that's a lot of money for a Ford. I would probably rule out Petrol equivalents myself due to poorer MPG compared to my Nissan. Adapters seem readily available to swap the radio.

Vauxhall Vectra 1.8 Petrol - SImilar specs for MPG CO2 etc to my Nissan, but - too plastic.

That's about what I got for the £4000 budget.

The car Im most interested in though is the VW Passat, but I think for the CR Engine, and the kind of car I want, Im looking probably £6k to £8k - would have to be 2008+ and a lot of them have quite hgh mileages compared to the petrol equivalent.

I've thought about other ones such as, Renault Laguna 2.0 Petrol, Citroen C5 1.8 VTR, Nissan Qashcai, Jaguar -Type 2.5 V6, Nissan 350Z 3.5 V6, but the MPG, CO2, are poor on those last two (understandably) and the others are really lacklustre for MPG and CO2. Qashcai 1.5 Diesel and 1.6 Petrol appear slow, but Qashcais in general appear to be quite expensive for what they are.

For my money, Im leaning heavily towards the 1.6 FSI Skoda Octavia - looks to be a decent all rounder, the 2.0 vRS version could be fun, Ford Mondeo a safe choice diesel, but whether I should stretch repayments and the loan amount and just bite the bullet and go for a VW Passat 2.0 Highline.

Im put off by the Passat due to a 4 year loan, and servicing costs, coupled with timing belt changes every four to five years. But it is a lovely car to drive.

Any further thoughts, given this list, and requirements, would you go with the 1.6 Skoda, or maybe "break the bank" and do the Passat?

Simon

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - elekie&a/c doctor

At 10k pa ,I would stay away from a diesel.The VW fsi engines are trouble.The Primera P12 has Renault electrics and are totally worthless.I think my choice would be a Mondeo ,Focus or even an Astra,all petrol models.None are going to be as reliable as your P11.Perhaps you should get it fixed.?hth

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - Falkirk Bairn

Mazda 6 2ltr petrol - TS2 models have lots of toys!

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - sjdean

To be honest - I've heard similar things. I would hope with the P12 that if there were any electrical issues, they would have been found out in the six years that the owner has been using it. But that's if you can find a P12 for sale.

The VW FSI, I've heard similar things about trouble, related to Timing Chains, tensioners, carbon build up. Any further thoughts about the problems there?

Don't really like the Astra or Vectra. A bit too plasticky, but a good all rounder none the less that I'd probably go with over the Mondeo petrol, only for CO2 and MPG.

You could be right about my P11 - it's been a phenomenal runner, but I do think I need to be directing the money I might be spending on it to a newer car.

How about the Toyota Avensis 1.8?

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - Avant

If it's a choice between an Octavia and a Passat, go for an Octavia as it'll be cheaper than a mechanically identical Passat. But as you're looking for a car that's several years old, I agree with others that it should be Japanese and petrol-powered. Try an Avensis or Mazda 6 or Honda Accord (or Corolla/Auris, Mazda 3 or Honda Civic is the next size down will be big enough.

The old-shape Civic (up to 2007) could be worth a look: most were privately-owned and you should be able to find onw that's been cherished. The 2.0 Type S has a good turn of speed, and all of this model Civic have a huge amount of room in the back.

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - Happy Blue!

I don't know about other makes but for the age and price only a Ford will give you a heated front screen. You may find a petrol engine Focus a better bet than a Mondeo.

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - sjdean

It appears the Skoda Octavias have lower mileage than the Passats too when comparing between similar prices, but easier to find Diesel Passats compared to Diesel Octavias and Petrol Octavias compared to Petrol Passats. Unless I want a 1.9 PD engined Octavia - I'd really be looking for the 2.0 CR 140bhp Passat.

I do want to go with Petrol, but I need to find the right combination of size, style, economy and performance - something either the same or better than the Nissan.

Avensis and I think Accord definitely fit that bill in their 1.8 engines according to figures, but unfortunately, a Toyota I test drove, I couldn't get on with their pedals - Im 6ft 1 with size 10 shoes - agreed, not that big, but, in my Nissan, the pedals were nicely spread out, unlike the Avensis which feels everything is crammed into a corner. Accord however, I find that space age dash board to be disorientating to look at. It's great to look at, but I found it too overwhelming and refused to drive one the once.

But it has just twigged, the old shape - yes, the 1.6's look quite OK, and the 2.0's look fun. Thanks for the suggestion. And all the pictures I've seen have OEM Radios! So that's one problem sorted (I can bring my Clarion and iPod adapter with me). Accords though look a worse for economy.

My problem though, is I don't really want to be getting another car, or at least a more expensive car, without at least feeling like Im saving some money somewhere. A couple of years of paying off loans is OK if I can save a bit of money on running costs and road tax etc. Which is why I really am tempted by the Diesel.

Simon

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - Smileyman

As a driver of a Primera P12 and former driver of a Primera P10 I can say with certainty the P10 was a better car. Not sure how the P11 compares, I skipped a generation. However I am surprised you have such a long list of problems on 85,000 miles - my P10 1.6 petrol went to 170k miles with original clutch, engine ran sweetly but with occasional chain rattle on cold start up (see seperate thread about this topic, not by me) and most of the other maintenance items do happen on any car from time to time.

The ride in town in the P12 can be lively at times, the boot has a slope at the rear seat end so is smaller and of course some parts are Renault with all the problems that mark carries. However at 111k miles my P12 still runs very sweetly, original clutch, not original brakes, front and rear. Neither have heated windscreen. Fuel economy is worse in the P12, it is a heavier car.

Be aware the radio is built into the dashboard, the controls are integrated with the heating/ventilation and take advice before messing with anything. The reversing camera is a gem and uses the same screen as heater/ radio and may be upset of the radio is changed.

Unlike the P10 the P12 does not offer warm air to the foortwells whilst sending ambient (cool) air to the face vents (which I missed very much) but sadly it seems most other manufacturers take this route too.

The biggest plus for you with the P12 is that prices are low, this is why I'm keeping mine for some time longer yet.

Edited by Smileyman on 06/12/2013 at 22:55

New Car Time - Replacing Nissan Primera P11-144 - sjdean

I had a P10 Auto, SR20De - sludged up beyond anything, but rock solid until someone wrote it off. P11, I've had problems with since day one - sort of. Mainly from the dealer. Rear bumped fell off cos the seller didn't actually bolt it up, and then, I forget, but I think it was the camshaft position sensor failed - but of course, factory recall. I had it five to six years ago with 28k on the clock. Immaculate engine.

Fitted iridium spark plugs, maintained regularly. Apart from tyres, brakes and exhaust, filters and oil, it's not needed a lick of work.

It does drive me mad in that it is the only manual car I've driven that likes to keep stalling. It'll either pull away with massive revs, or completely die on me when the same throttle doesn't give the same revs. Makes me look like a right idiot. Both CV joints changed as well (I did one last year - that was interesting). Cracked ABS ring.

But now as I say, clutch is probably fine, but third gear has always felt a bit bobbly and underpowered. So may be a slow developing clutch or gearbox problem when engaging third gear. The exhaust is a crabby noisy OEM one that Im surprised has lasted as long as it has. May well get away with it for another year. I'm just trying some Forte Seal Conditioner to see if it will make a difference to the Valve seals.

I just hate throwing good money at something which, frankly, isn't worth a lot of money. But at the same time, it runs and runs really well. But the rear has obviously had a shunt at some point and is rusting in a couple of areas on the sills by the rear doors.

At this point Im thinking should I really spent £1500 to £2000 just to keep this thing on the road, or should I actually get something like an Octavia or a Passat? If I go with Diesel, I could still save £50 to £60 a month on fuel, road tax and even insurance costs! But it's just the unknown elements of whether another car is going to be able to handle it. All sorts of problems are out there, especially VW's.... I heard someone with a 2.0 TFSI Skoda Octavia vRS, two months outside of warranty, the EGR valve broke, and he's looking at a bill for £1200! I don't think I could stomach that kind of expense on top of paying back a car loan!

Too many pros and cons in everything! Impossible decisions. Guess I'll only make the decision if my current car actually blows up! Then I'll be forced into it.

As for the P12, I got to find a decent hatchback petrol 1.8 P12 that is an SE model or above. Hard to find.