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A low budget gem required - Bobbin Threadbare

A friend of mine is looking to p/x his 10 year old Clio as it is costing him a lot in repairs and he's going to need something reliable for a new job next year.

If you had £1500 plus a Clio part ex value (prob £500) what would you buy? Obviously like other forum members I am well versed in the 'quality of vehicle at this price band' advice, and at the moment he is looking at Japanese petrol hatchbacks.

Anything a bit left-field is welcome; he is well over 6ft too so room is important. Insurance is also a big consideration due to postcode and only holding a licence for 2 years.

A low budget gem required - galileo

A friend of mine is looking to p/x his 10 year old Clio as it is costing him a lot in repairs and he's going to need something reliable for a new job next year.

If you had £1500 plus a Clio part ex value (prob £500) what would you buy? Obviously like other forum members I am well versed in the 'quality of vehicle at this price band' advice, and at the moment he is looking at Japanese petrol hatchbacks.

Anything a bit left-field is welcome; he is well over 6ft too so room is important. Insurance is also a big consideration due to postcode and only holding a licence for 2 years.

For about £2k, in adition to Japanese petrol hatchbacks I'd also consider Hyundai Accents.

One son on a tight budget has had 2 of these, even at 9 or 10 years old everything still works and he has plenty of room though he's 6ft tall.

A low budget gem required - veryoldbear

At that end of the market, you can pick up amazing bargains if you are lucky, or amazing bad'uns if you are unlucky. Don't get too hung up on mileage, just look for condition and a decent service history. And try and get a decent test drive. I've short-listed things before now that have proved to be downright uncomfortable.

Oddly enough, the "next size up" cars are sometimes much better bargains that smally hatchbacks.

A low budget gem required - Skezza

I'd buy a new'ish VW Lupo TDI. A premium hatchback with an excellent engine and a surprising performance-economy ratio.

A low budget gem required - Oli rag

What about a Daihatsu sirion? Toyota based, incredibly reliable, owners love them.

Lots on autotrader for around £2k.

A low budget gem required - groaver

What about a Daihatsu sirion? Toyota based, incredibly reliable, owners love them.

Lots on autotrader for around £2k.

I'll second that.

I had a 07 plate 1.0 version that was nippy and had loads of space. Totally reliable.

The previous generation ones are not blessed with looks but they are really well built.

Given the mature audience that buys them, they should be a good buy later in life (burnt out clutch notwithstanding ;) ).

A low budget gem required - SteveLee

I'd third that - the Sirion is an excellent and under-valued car extremely reliable and very economical. Don't overlook the Mitsubishi Colt too.

A low budget gem required - jamie745

For about £2k, in adition to Japanese petrol hatchbacks I'd also consider Hyundai Accents.

Jesus christ that's a horrible car. No, seriously, it is.

For £2k you can get a decent Focus, circa 02-04.

A low budget gem required - galileo

For about £2k, in adition to Japanese petrol hatchbacks I'd also consider Hyundai Accents.

Jesus christ that's a horrible car. No, seriously, it is.

For £2k you can get a decent Focus, circa 02-04.

How many Accents have you had, Jamie? In terms of reliability and corrosion protection they are probably a better bet at ten years old than a Ford

A low budget gem required - jamie745

I've driven an Accent and it was like every other cheap Korean tinbox; crap. Yes it goes and stops, therefore fulfilling the dictionary definition of a car but the fact is they're not as good as Ford or European marques.

On reliability, a ten year old Ford with reasonable maintenance should be fine. Alot of these Korean cars are actually quite expensive when they go wrong, but you'll never struggle to find a Ford part. As for corosion, okay, Ford have drastically improved since the 80s but they're still not perfect. But a minor rust bubble on the boot lid has no impact on driveability.

A low budget gem required - artill

My choice at this price point would be a Honda Accord. Bigger cars are often cheaper to buy than small hatches, yet cost about the same to run in reality. The Accord is often bought by elderly people who will keep it for years and drive it gently, and service them well. Find one of these and you wont go far wrong.

A low budget gem required - gordonbennet

Agree with most of the above apart from the VW suggestion.

Basically anything Korean but don't be put off by the Proton badge either, whatever comes up at the right mileage with the right previous ownership and history, and is sitting on a good undamaged set of real tyres...always a good clue to the previous owners, if they stinted on the most important part of the car then you can be certain they cared less about the bits you can't see.

If Japanese is preferred then maybe a Corolla or Civic up to 05, these two are probably the most well made reliable and durable B size cars of the last 15 years.

I tend to agree about going up a size or maybe two, cars like Magentis/Sonata are good but cheap.

A low budget gem required - Skezza

You agree with everything above except me, yet you're recommending a Proton?

Ok then...

A low budget gem required - Bobbin Threadbare

Thanks guys. I have also suggested to him that a larger car (Octavia sized rather than Fabia size) could well be a lower insurance option. He doesn't do the miles to merit a diesel in any possible way though.

The Proton suggestion isn't ridiculous; there is actually a Proton dealership here in Preston and I see quite a few of them about, including one Proton Gen-2 used as a taxi.

A low budget gem required - Trilogy

Newest Lupo on autotrader for just a touch under £2,000 is an SDI and 11 years old!!!!!!

A low budget gem required - daveyK_UK

KIA CERATO

A low budget gem required - Skezza

I must admit, I would recommend a TDI over an SDI (I own an SDI) but I'm not convinced you should judge a car on just age alone. Lupo's are very well made unlike the Fox's and Ups! They were made in Germany with similar parts to a Golf, do not confuse the Lupo with the cheaper cars that replaced it.

I'd also say you pay for what you get. There's a reason why Lupo's tend to have a good reputation.

A low budget gem required - Collos25

I must admit, I would recommend a TDI over an SDI (I own an SDI) but I'm not convinced you should judge a car on just age alone. Lupo's are very well made unlike the Fox's and Ups! They were made in Germany with similar parts to a Golf, do not confuse the Lupo with the cheaper cars that replaced it.

I'd also say you pay for what you get. There's a reason why Lupo's tend to have a good reputation.

Were the Lupos not built in Spain on the same production line as the Arosa I know here in Germany its a car to avoid like the plague in all its guises.The Proton of that age is a Mitsubishi made under licence.

A low budget gem required - Skezza

No, Arosa's were built in Spain.

Most Lupo's were built in Germany with only a few being built in Belgium.

A low budget gem required - Collos25

Arosas were built in Spain as were 99% of Lupos there never was a production line for Lupos in Germany.but if tou believe there was thats good enough for you.

A low budget gem required - alan1302

You agree with everything above except me, yet you're recommending a Proton?

Ok then...

What's wrog with that?

A low budget gem required - Skezza

You agree with everything above except me, yet you're recommending a Proton?

Ok then...

What's wrog with that?

I don't mind the fact he doesn't agree with me. That's fine, but to recommend a Proton as an alternative? There's been some good cars recommended already including my suggestion. Along with those already Daihatsu Cuore's are a very well made reliable car, Nissan Micra's (original gen and second gen), Suzuki Alto's/Swift's are also good reliable motors. In fact, the Alto has a super reliability record and they're ridiculously easy to work on. So there's good motors coming out of the eastern market.

The fella who didn't agree with me recommended a Proton... arguably one of the worst automobile manufacturers exporting to our market. A lot of my old school friends bought brand new Proton's after they got their first proper job. Who could argue with the Satria, a high spec'd car at about £8k? I tell you what, if you asked any of them would they make the same choice again, they would tell you absolutely no chance. Most of them failed their first MOT's and have been in and out of repair ever since.

Older Proton's are actually pretty good, but we've already seen that 'older' cars frowned upon so...

A low budget gem required - mss1tw

Older Proton's are actually pretty good, but we've already seen that 'older' cars frowned upon so...

I was gonna say, my brothers old P reg one only went to the car park in the sky recently and was still running daily with an MOT etc, it went to be banger raced. It got minimal maintenance but wasn't abused as such.

The replacement is a Gen2, I think it's an 09 plate and has been fine so far. Admittedly it's too soon to tell if it will be a good 'un long term but it feels robust enough.

A low budget gem required - craig-pd130

I'd suggest a Mark 1 or Mark 2 Fiat Punto, they're roomy inside, cost pennies to run and our two were very reliable. Millions of them made so parts are cheap.

A low budget gem required - KB.

No-one takes any notice of what I post but I'd make the point, for others to ignore, that maybe it's worth looking at how safe or unsafe some of these cars are. NCAP list a lot/most cars going back 10 - 15 years. If, a few years ago, you were, understandably enough, thinking a Metro (or Rover 100 as they became known) would be a cheap little car then a check on NCAP would make you think twice...see the rating and the video. I had close quarters, hands on, experience with the effects of Metros involved in collisions/accidents (whatever the current phrase is)...... not good! Indeed quite the opposite. Quite graphically so in fact.

Just a thought, that's all.

I don't think Proton would feature all that highly in my wish list. But then neither would a Lada.

There are so many variables and trip hazards in seeking a "reliable" car for work for £2K that it's almost impossible to point someone in the right direction without the fear of come-back if it all went wrong...as it could well.

You can buy a brand new Dacia Sandero or a Suzuki Alto for £5,999, so I wonder if you could find a demonstrator for less than that. At least you would actually have a reliable car under warranty and the fella in question would know he'd get to work every day and not have to apologise to his guv'nor that he was late coz the car broke down. At least he'd be more certain of being able to repay the money spent on the car by staying employed ?

And you would know the airbags would work if required.

Edited by KB. on 08/11/2013 at 21:54

A low budget gem required - Bobbin Threadbare
You can buy a brand new Dacia Sandero or a Suzuki Alto for £5,999, so I wonder if you could find a demonstrator for less than that. At least you would actually have a reliable car under warranty and the fella in question would know he'd get to work every day...and he might be more likely to keep his job by turning up every day and not have to apologise to his guv'nor that he was late coz the car broke down. At least he'd be more certain of being able to repay the money spent on the car by staying employed ?

And you would know the airbags would work if required.

Indeed, but he's got £2k and he isn't going to get anything near new for that amount of money. I've suggested a Mk I Focus as I had one and it was great. All of the ideas will go on the list.

I have been combing through AT and the Kia Rio seems like a decent suggestion; I can base this on the one my sister's BF drove until it fell to bits, inherited from his mum. Anyone else had one?

A low budget gem required - KB.

No, indeed so...I suppose I just thought he might think it worth considering a loan to get some reliable and safe wheels to get to work in and know he'll have the security of something that will get him there reliably every day - he'll keep his job and pay the finance back having the benfit of full employment.

Perverse logic, you're right.

You can see why nobody takes any notice of the drivel i post :-)

I had thought something Korean would perhaps be a better bet. Maybe atrwal round the Hyundai/=Kia dealers to see what's being chopped in. Worth ringing places where old people inhabit....the West Country or the South Coast. (I'm both old and in the West Country)

Edited by KB. on 08/11/2013 at 22:29

A low budget gem required - alan1302

No, indeed so...I suppose I just thought he might think it worth considering a loan to get some reliable and safe wheels to get to work in and know he'll have the security of something that will get him there reliably every day - he'll keep his job and pay the finance back having the benfit of full employment.

Perverse logic, you're right.

You can see why nobody takes any notice of the drivel i post :-)

I can see your logic - but not everyone wants to purchase something with finance. I for one certainly don't.

If you have £2K to spend with a bit of research is perfectly possible to get a cheap to run reliable car.

A low budget gem required - gordonbennet

No-one takes any notice of what I post but I'd make the point, for others to ignore, that maybe it's worth looking at how safe or unsafe some of these cars are.

You can buy a brand new Dacia Sandero or a Suzuki Alto for £5,999

Not at all KB, a very valid point.

I know for some people the the NCAP score of their car is a vitally important consideration, and whilst not ignoring the crash worthiness of a car it comes very low down the list of priorities when i'm spending a maximum of £2k, thats me though and i wouldn't wish to infleunce anyone else.

Reliability and durability, and increasingly simplicity, are what should be looked for in this case IMO.

Some differing views on Proton have emerged, i first mentioned the brand and feel i should qualify that as i seem to have upset one poster for not agreeing with a VW recommendation.

I didn't suggest Bobbins mate should go out actively searching for one, i meant that in the budget mentioned that a decent Proton shouldn't be ignored simply because of its badge...if anything the make makes excellent used buys because of badge snobbery, no worse than any other budget mass produced cars.

£2k might buy a 8/10 year old 120k mile 4 owner cloned eurobox, and it might well buy a 5/6 year old 30k miler 1 mature owner serviced every year little gem with the wrong badge, i know which my £2k would be spent on.

Bobbins mate has £2k to spend, wisely they don't appear to want to buy something on the never never thats going to depreciate like the UK economy of late.

Daughters chap has a Proton that cost him the princely sum of £250, its starts it stops it gets him to work, everything works on it and it keeps going, and best of all no toff in Wokingham/Gerrards Cross is getting richer by the day on the interest he isn't paying for the right badge.

PS, on the subject of crash worthiness, i saw this evening coming home from work in the wet greasy conditions several examples of the greater spotted lemming, one in particular stood out by a country mile, i hope one particular 57 plate Megane entering Kettering has a good NCAP rating because the bloke driving it is going to be putting it to the test in very short order the way he aims it, the female passenger he was presumably impressing will be sampling the same fate if she carries on with him....this bloke needs as many NCAP stars as they can muster. Unfortunately Fridays anytime after lunch are lemming leap time and thats been the case for decades.

Edited by gordonbennet on 08/11/2013 at 22:33

A low budget gem required - daveyK_UK

Did some one really write the VW Lupo was reliable???!!!!!

A low budget gem required - Skezza

Yeah I did. Have you ever owned one? If the answer is anything but yes then shut up. I've owned two, a petrol and a diesel, I can say from experience, they're very reliable little hatchbacks.

Thanks.

A low budget gem required - SteveLee

If safety is your thing then the Citroen C3 was just about the best car in its class in a head-on crash at launch and is still competitive today regarding lower-leg protection. Get the right diesel and you'll be looking at 65+mpg in a surprisingly leggy and comfortable package for such a small car – I’m 6’3” and have driven to Scotland and back in it without any issues. People will blather on about unreliability, yes C3s can have niggling problems but like most modern cars - they shouldn’t break down – my missis’s one has been excellent – it never fails to start and nothing has gone wrong despite it being a ten year old car with 105,000 miles on the clock. You can pick up excellent examples of the C3s for £2K. My previous two suggestions will probably be more likely to be 100% reliable but the C3 will be more comfortable and offer better passive safety.

As others have said though - a bigger car with an on-paper lower NCAP score is probably safer. But only having a license for two years will hurt when it comes to insurance.

A low budget gem required - Bobbin Threadbare

As others have said though - a bigger car with an on-paper lower NCAP score is probably safer. But only having a license for two years will hurt when it comes to insurance.

That's his biggest issue; PR1 postcode and he'll only have held his licence for that short while.

I do take on board the logic of getting finance/car loan but he and I were both brought up with the view that if you haven't the cash for it, you don't buy it.

He really does not care what the badge is. I am making him a list ;-)

A low budget gem required - corax

I can't believe no one has mentioned it yet but I'd recommend a Mk1 Toyota Yaris unless he needs something bigger. My mum has an 05 example, I have driven a couple of others as courtesy cars with high mileage and they always feel tight and good to drive. Never seem to go wrong, economical, great driving position that even suits tall people, and parts are cheap despite being Japanese.

Toyota spent the money in just the right places on these - you'll find quality where it's needed like engine/drivetrain/electrics and not so much where it's not needed - dashboard, materials.

A low budget gem required - SteveLee

I can't believe no one has mentioned it yet but I'd recommend a Mk1 Toyota Yaris unless he needs something bigger. My mum has an 05 example, I have driven a couple of others as courtesy cars with high mileage and they always feel tight and good to drive. Never seem to go wrong, economical, great driving position that even suits tall people, and parts are cheap despite being Japanese.

Toyota spent the money in just the right places on these - you'll find quality where it's needed like engine/drivetrain/electrics and not so much where it's not needed - dashboard, materials.

We kind of have, Daihatsu Sirion, Yaris underpinnings in a larger and lighter(!) package but worth half as much on the open market! Why buy a Yaris?

A low budget gem required - madf

I can't believe no one has mentioned it yet but I'd recommend a Mk1 Toyota Yaris unless he needs something bigger. My mum has an 05 example, I have driven a couple of others as courtesy cars with high mileage and they always feel tight and good to drive. Never seem to go wrong, economical, great driving position that even suits tall people, and parts are cheap despite being Japanese.

Toyota spent the money in just the right places on these - you'll find quality where it's needed like engine/drivetrain/electrics and not so much where it's not needed - dashboard, materials.

We kind of have, Daihatsu Sirion, Yaris underpinnings in a larger and lighter(!) package but worth half as much on the open market! Why buy a Yaris?

Lots of cheap spares.. and easier resale...

I thrdr a Yaris. Two in our family..all 10 years old or over...

A low budget gem required - dan86

With basic maintenance Toyotas seem to solder on and on.

A low budget gem required - madf

Toyota electrics are well designed, rugged and well positioned. No ECUs on floor - see Audi.

And when they do go wrong, easy to diagnose and fix..

Yaris is easy to maintain and work on. Lots of elderly ones looking in very good condition..

And cheap insurance and tax...

Edited by madf on 13/11/2013 at 09:53

A low budget gem required - dan86

You still see plenty of mk1 yaris around and they all seem to be in good nick thers a few tatty ones but the majority aeem to have been looked after.

A low budget gem required - alan1302

Lots of cheap spares.. and easier resale...

I thrdr a Yaris. Two in our family..all 10 years old or over...

I can understand about the spares issue but does the resale value really matter as this end of the market?

A low budget gem required - madf

£2k is still £2k. And to lose £2k when that is all you can afford might be a disaster..

A low budget gem required - Bobbin Threadbare

We kind of have, Daihatsu Sirion, Yaris underpinnings in a larger and lighter(!) package but worth half as much on the open market! Why buy a Yaris?

Autotrader isn't coming up with a huge difference in Sirion price vs Yaris price; I was expecting them to be significantly less but they're not!

Yaris is too small I think; he is leaning towards Focus size so far. Running insurance quotes gets him a better deal on larger vehicles but only if they are worth the money; no scrappy stuff.

A low budget gem required - concrete

We kind of have, Daihatsu Sirion, Yaris underpinnings in a larger and lighter(!) package but worth half as much on the open market! Why buy a Yaris?

Autotrader isn't coming up with a huge difference in Sirion price vs Yaris price; I was expecting them to be significantly less but they're not!

Yaris is too small I think; he is leaning towards Focus size so far. Running insurance quotes gets him a better deal on larger vehicles but only if they are worth the money; no scrappy stuff.

Well Bobbin, your friend is really lucky to have you on board. It is a bit of a daunting task trawling through all the various makes and models to find something decent to fit a small fixed budget. Best of luck Concrete

A low budget gem required - Skezza

The Sirion is a great little motor. My friend used to own a yellow Sirion and it was a lovely little car. The inside was a bit... hmmm, grey and dated, but it had air conditioning, electric windows, remote central locking all as standard. Plus, being a 1.3 litre it was pretty nippy out and about.

A low budget gem required - Bobbin Threadbare

Cheers Concrete. I actually enjoy doing this kind of research and I do like to try for a bargain!