Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Andrew Magnus Schofield

Does anyone remember tax discs? Colour-coded by month, you’d tear round the perforations and insert them in a little PVC sleeve on the inside of your windscreen. It was a selling point if your new car had 11 months to run, but if your vehicle excise duty had expired (or was about to), you’d be straight down the post office to renew, lest a eagle-eyed PC noticed the wrong colour was showing.

Fast forward a few years, and everything moved online. Tax discs disappeared, together with parking permits and sundry other visual obstructions to the driver, with arguably a safety dividend. In common with other government agencies, the DVLA exhorted us all to go digital, paying our VED by direct debit, monthly or annually. I’ve paid mine this way for so long it has become automatic. Noticing periodic adjustments as tax rates fluctuated, I’d thought, that’s clever. Other government agencies, such as HMRC, had introduced systems such as Tell Us Once, whereby ‘joined-up government’ would update records in sync. Your passport photo would serve as your driving licence photo and so on, making everything more convenient and user-friendly.

So it was that shortly before Christmas last year when I changed my car, the new buyer got me to register the transaction online, and also the seller. Within days I had received a fresh logbook (V5C) from the DVLA, confirming the changes of ownership. One of the notices came with an insert telling me not to worry if the changes weren’t immediately registered, and even to ignore any penalty charge notices from local DVLA offices. After all, I hadn’t cancelled any direct debit with my bank, nor made any attempt to adjust it.

I was travelling after Christmas and didn’t return home until late January, by which time the DVLA had served me with a £102 fine for some unknown crime. The same agency that had confirmed all the ownership changes and always adjusted my DD accordingly, had decided on a strategy of entrapment. When I alluded to its covering notice regarding VED in relation to ownership changes, it stated this only applied to refunds (i.e. when it had been paid annually and the vehicle was sold before expiry). The DVLA reserved the right to throw the book at anyone it considered was in default.

I looked at my online bank account and was relieved to see the direct debit remained active, and the next payment was due in early March. In these circumstances, I swiftly remitted a cheque for £42 (2 x £21) to cover the two months I calculated had lapsed, requesting that any small adjustment be reflected in the next payment. Consistent with its policy throughout, the DVLA refused to enter into any correspondence beyond repeating its demand for the £102 fine (with a payment deadline ‘before court action’), and returned my cheque unbanked. No telephone numbers except automated ‘payment lines’ were quoted, and no emails provided. When I looked in desperation on Google for any such contact emails, the only one I found was returned undelivered.

Were these business methods to be deployed by any private enterprise, I suggest they would result in universal outrage. I remain unaware of what crime I have committed or in what way I have been negligent, except to try to run a vehicle nowadays and thus be fair game. Even once I have paid the iniquitous £102 fine because I do not want to end up in court, I remain innocent of the further repercussions that await me, given that payments from my bank by direct debit have even now not resumed. Will this also be my fault?

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Adampr

If you don't know what the £102 was for why did you send them £42? Presumably you felt.like you owed them for something.

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Andrew-T

Does anyone remember tax discs? Colour-coded by month, you’d tear round the perforations and insert them in a little PVC sleeve on the inside of your windscreen.

I'm pretty sure they were colour-coded by year, not month, or being replaced in the same month each year they would all be the same, which they weren't. And I think plod was expected to notice any overdue discs. My F-in-law panicked when he found his was several months overdue ....

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - galileo

Does anyone remember tax discs? Colour-coded by month, you’d tear round the perforations and insert them in a little PVC sleeve on the inside of your windscreen.

I'm pretty sure they were colour-coded by year, not month, or being replaced in the same month each year they would all be the same, which they weren't. And I think plod was expected to notice any overdue discs. My F-in-law panicked when he found his was several months overdue ....

I;m sure tax discs had a year number and month printed on them, colours may have changed too but didn't notice that especially.

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Andrew-T

<< I'm sure tax discs had a year number and month printed on them, colours may have changed too but didn't notice that especially. >>

Indeed they did. Besides coming with a ~97% complete service record, the Pug 205 I bought a couple of years ago from its original owner of 31 years (!) had a sequence of about 15 expired tax discs in various colours, ending IIRC about AUG 15 when the system became computerised. Sadly I can no longer verify this as they all got binned ....

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Will deBeast

Gosh, what a wall of text and misplaced outrage!

The existing direct debit was for the previous car.

As you're taxing a new car, you need to set up a new direct debit.

After any refund is received for the old car, you can close the old direct debit down.

I have three cars in the household. Each has it's own direct debit.

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Big John

Yup, we have two cars, each has it's own Direct Debit. When you transfer ownership you are reminded to tax the car, infect if you buy from a dealer you set up a direct debit or pay the car tax online when you pick the car up - well that's what happened to me in July.

I presume you have transferred the insurance to the new car as well?

I'd suggest paying the fine and immediately taxing the car :- www.gov.uk/vehicle-tax?gad_source=1&gclid=Cj0K...s - If you take to court you will loose.

Edited by Big John on 13/03/2025 at 08:32

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - catsdad

Will, same here.

When I’ve sold a car there has never been a system to get a credit back and have that allocated against the new car. Your only option is to get any refund due for any whole months and start separately for the new car from its first day. The whole system is clearly set out and quickly done online.

The OP has a sincere belief that it should operate in another way. However it doesn’t.

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - John F

Sorry, I've no sympathy for the OP. I've always found the on line VED system v. efficient. I was once stopped by an eagle eyed PC on a bike who spotted my out of date licence. My indignant assertion that it was valid was replaced by humble pie when I realised I'd absent mindedly put its replacement on my wife's car! I wonder if the modern number plate recognition cameras catch as many miscreants as before?

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Bromptonaut

I'm pretty sure that the Direct Debit relates to the car. The one for our Berlingo clearly shows the VRN every time it's taken.

You say the DD was active but did DVLA actually take money for the old car?

If they did so after a change of ownership had been advised then you should get your bank to deal with it under the DD guarantee.

I had to tax my recent purchase at the Post Office as it was a change of tax category - had been disabled class. Otherwise I'd have gone on line at the dealership to pay it either as a lump sum or by setting up a DD.

Your own fault I think.

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - Orb>>.

Another here who finds no fault with DVLA. Car or licensing.

Vehicle Excise Duty - Motorist entrapment - De Sisti

Another here who finds no fault with DVLA. Car or licensing.

Is that a question or a statement? ;-)