skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - ambient

In November I decided to put a set of Cross Climate's on the car as I live in rural Scotland and commute a fair bit.

Today was the first time properly using the tyres in snow. On the roads, where it counts I didn't encounter anything too adverse, but my house in 100metres down an offroad track, and this morning the car got temporarily stuck on a steepish hill.

The snow was powdery and not yet impacted, probably about 10-15cm thick, but towards the start of the ascent I lost traction and it seemed like I'd have to get out and start clearing snow. The car wasn't rolling backwards, but in the end I had to manoeuvre the wheels side to side to increase traction and I eventually got up.

I don't know if I have unfair expectations of this tyre, but I was expecting it to drive up this hill without losing traction like it did.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - badbusdriver

I think your expectations may have been a little unfair. The Michelin CC is an all season tyre, not a winter tyre, and as such it is always going to be a compromise. The main benefit for all seasons is when the temperature is cold because the rubber used in them performs better than summer tyres, but they just don't have the tread for dealing with proper snow. Yes, they will (in theory) be better in the snow than a summer tyre, but they are emphatically not a substitute for a winter tyre when there is a good layer of snow on the ground.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - movilogo

As you live in Scotland and see plenty of snow, then may be better to use winter tyres all year round. Winter performance will be definitely better and summer performance will be good enough for safe (but not necessarily spirited) driving.

All season tyres are good compromise for people living down South.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - Gateway88

Perhaps You could keep the CC's as a "three seasons" tyre and get a set of winters for November to Feb?

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - daveyjp

15cm is not insignificant. If the car is only 2wd the deep snow will build up in front of the driving wheels and block progress.

I posted yesterday about an XC90 I saw with wheels spinning, yet it is 4wd. The car systems were trying as rears would spin, then fronts, then front and back. The problem was very wide low profile (probably worn summer) tyres and the car had stopped on an adverse camber junction.

Deeper snow was then pushed up in front of both front and rear wheels and was acting like chocks, so the wheels were just spinning against the snow.

Its always a compromise and the CCs will have done better than worn summer tyres, but without 4wd and winter/off road tyres getting stuck in deep snow is still a possibility

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - ambient

Yeah, it's FWD. First gear was providing too many revs on the hill, second gear felt like it had too little revs.
On reflection, maybe not 15cm but a good powdering none the less. I don't know if its the bigger wheels with wider tyres, but I expected it to be better than my previous car which had some cheaper Kuhmo all seasons. I didn't expect it to completely lose traction like it did, but I don't have huge amounts of experience in the snow.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - RT

Yeah, it's FWD. First gear was providing too many revs on the hill, second gear felt like it had too little revs.
On reflection, maybe not 15cm but a good powdering none the less. I don't know if its the bigger wheels with wider tyres, but I expected it to be better than my previous car which had some cheaper Kuhmo all seasons. I didn't expect it to completely lose traction like it did, but I don't have huge amounts of experience in the snow.

It might have been worth starting in 3rd - modern cars, with throttle bodies, are more difficult to stall compared to older cars so the apparent lack of power in a higher gear is a good thing in those circumstances.

I don't know how modern automatics cope - my old Vauxhalls, with 4-speed automatic where 4th was really an overdrive, had a "snowflake" button which made it start in 3rd - and was very useful, better than the 4wd fitted to Fords at the time despite only being 2wd.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - ambient

Yeah, it's hit or miss where I am.
I'm in the central belt but about 750ft above sea level, so there is good chance of snow at some point in the winter.
The roads are usually well prepped when given warning, but the hill on the track I live along can be challenging. I usually clear and grit it, but was no stopping the fall yesterday and I naively thought the cross climates would smash through.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - skidpan

When I bought the 118D BMW in 2008 I was working in the Derbyshire Dales and bought a a set of Kleber Quadraxer All Season Tyres (3 peak snowflake symbol on them) and they were brilliant. Never failed to get home when the weather was bad despite the 1 series being a car that most said was undrivable in bad weather.

Subsequently fitted them on the wifes Ceed SW, my Leon (the tyres off the BMW were used again - they did not seem to wear out) and the Micra.

The wife at that time was working on the Derbyshire/Yorkshire border and making weekly trips to Yorkshire to visit her elderly mother, never had an issue.

Simply brilliant tyres, made by Michelin and unsurprisingly the current version is pretty much a Cross Climate copy. But just looking on line there is very little difference in price thus it would probably be the Michelins we bought. Don't need them now, both retired, if its bad we simply don't go out or walk to the shops.

Also had a set of Nokian all season tyres on the Note. Quadraxer was not available in the Note size at the time and looking now the Nokian is quite a bit less than the Michelin and Quadraxer. Like the Quadraxer we never had an issue with the Nokians even in possibly the most severe weather had driven in since the 80's, would certainly see if they were available in our required size.

But as has been said above living in Scotland full winters would make far more sense.

I'm in the central belt but about 750ft above sea level

The house we lived in form 1983 to 2016 was exactly 600 ft above sea level (the 180m contour went through a lower part of the garden) and the difference in weather compared to our local town that were a few hundred feet lower was very noticable. Our office in the Dales was by a river and according to OS only 70 feet above sea level. We rarely saw much snow there but as soon as you began to climb the roads changed quickly, back at home it was almost alpine at times, we had 17" of level snow on the garden one year, the drifts were huge.

Edited by skidpan on 06/01/2025 at 11:09

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - mcb100
‘ Also had a set of Nokian all season tyres on the Note. Quadraxer was not available in the Note size at the time and looking now the Nokian is quite a bit less than the Michelin and Quadraxer. Like the Quadraxer we never had an issue with the Nokians even in possibly the most severe weather had driven in since the 80's, would certainly see if they were available in our required size.’

I’ve had a couple of sets of Nokias, both in all season and Winter specs, but when I tried to get some about 18 months ago there was no UK importer.
I did look at buying some in Ireland, tying it in with a working trip, but I was in a van with everything documented on a carnet so it could potentially have been more trouble than it was worth getting them back into the UK.
skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - badbusdriver

I’ve had a couple of sets of Nokias, both in all season and Winter specs, but when I tried to get some about 18 months ago there was no UK importer.

You can get them new on Ebay

Not sure what size you were looking at, but 195/65x15's are certainly available. Prices vary quite a bit depending on if in the UK (£80ish) or not (£120ish from Italy)

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - mcb100
Two cars now on Goodyear Vector 4Seasons and one on Hankook Kinergy, so all good for a little while.
skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - Engineer Andy

I’ve had a couple of sets of Nokias, both in all season and Winter specs, but when I tried to get some about 18 months ago there was no UK importer.

You can get them new on Ebay

Not sure what size you were looking at, but 195/65x15's are certainly available. Prices vary quite a bit depending on if in the UK (£80ish) or not (£120ish from Italy)

Very common size (my old Mazad3 has them, many superminis, Focus sized cars and small vans had them fitted in the last 25 years as OEMs) and thus amongst the cheapest prices, plus lots of tyre choices generally (all types), especially new designs.

skoda kamiq - Experience with Michelin Cross Climate 2 in snow? - Engineer Andy

One of the problems even with tyres designed to work (to varying degrees) in snow is that they only get the best traction once snow gets into all the grooves, because the best traction is snow-on-snow.

As such, flat roads with not much snow cover (compacted down or slushy) means not much will get into the grooves by the time you reach 'fresh' snow. The situation can also be made worse if the driver gives it a bit more right foot and in the normal (non-snowy weather) gear, rather than one higher (where appropriate), so you get less traction and wheel spin.

When I drove my old 90s Micra in snow (after the 'white out' of 2002 or 2003 if I recall), my car's summer tyres actually worked well (helped by them being directional and not particularly low profile), and I think it helped that I was able to drive on the flat in not-that-much compacted snow first in order to get that snow-to-snow extra grip benefit that enabled the car to get up a quite steep hill.

I've only been able to drive out in anything like 'snowy/icy' (not that much snow really) conditions last winter in my Mazda3 equipped with CC+s since 2018, and it performed fine. Sadly (I like driving in snow - a challenge) no more than a smidge on my car's windscreen over this past weekend, and none forecast for midweek in my area (NE Herts / E.Anglia).

Edited by Engineer Andy on 06/01/2025 at 14:23