Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - catsdad

I see in the online Daily Telegraph that the deadline for hybrids in the U.K. may be extended to 2035. The allowable limit is quoted as 115 grams. I think that a lot of Toyotas will meet this, including the Corolla, but a lot of hybrids from other manufacturers won’t.

Successful lobbying by Toyota no doubt who seemed slow to enter the pure electric race in U.K.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - mcb100
Sounds a bit speculative, seeing as the consultation has only just been launched and the government’s stated policy is EV only after 2030.
Personally, I’d ditch the stepped progression (22%/28%/etc) and allow the industry to dictate the pace without incurring huge penalties for failing to hit arbitrary targets.
Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Lee Power

Successful lobbying by Toyota no doubt who seemed slow to enter the pure electric race in U.K.

It seems Toyota knew what they where doing seeing as several other vehicle manufactures have now found throwing all efforts behind EV's wasn't such a great idea for long term viability.

Toyota has 2 factories in the UK, one builds 1.8 hybrid power units & the other builds Corolla hatch & touring sports for UK & European markets.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Heidfirst

I see in the online Daily Telegraph that the deadline for hybrids in the U.K. may be extended to 2035. The allowable limit is quoted as 115 grams. I think that a lot of Toyotas will meet this, including the Corolla, but a lot of hybrids from other manufacturers won’t.

Successful lobbying by Toyota no doubt who seemed slow to enter the pure electric race in U.K.

even the 2.0 HEV powertrain will meet 115g/. The 2.5 as used in the RAV4 won't (Toyota have just dropped the RAV4 HEV from the UK range leaving just the PHEV).

Urban Cruiser due to join their EV range alongside b4ZX next year.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - FP

"The government has launched a consultation on the ZEV Mandate which could change the number of electric vehicles car makers are forced to sell every year.

Car makers and dealers have said the current targets – which stipulate car firms must hit 22% EV sales this year rising to 28% in 2025 – are unworkable.

The targets are currently due to rise each year until 2030, when the petrol and diesel car sales ban comes into force.

Stellantis blamed the tough targets as one of the reasons it is shutting its Luton plant which is due to close in April.

Labour restored the 2030 target which had been pushed back to 2035 by the Conservatives."

(cardealermagazine.co.uk)

Other media sources seem confident the 2030 (ICE ban) target will in fact be pushed on to 2035 again.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Chris M

"The allowable limit is quoted as 115 grams."

Many pure ICE cars have been hitting that target for years without the hybrid complexity. What's the point?

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Lee Power

"The allowable limit is quoted as 115 grams."

Many pure ICE cars have been hitting that target for years without the hybrid complexity. What's the point?

Some people might want a boring to own reliable Toyota / Lexus hybrid instead of something with a thirsty 3 pot turbo charged wet belt engine.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Steveieb

Certainly taxi drivers up and down the country Lee , who depend on their Toyota Hybrids to make a living . Very few others can achieve this !

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Terry W

I suspect any relaxation of rules for hybrids will be limited to plug in with a minimum electric range of ??? (30+ miles).

Current mild hybrids and self charging are little more efficient than conventional ICE and I expect they will be banned from 2030 - unless the rules change again.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - RT

I suspect any relaxation of rules for hybrids will be limited to plug in with a minimum electric range of ??? (30+ miles).

Current mild hybrids and self charging are little more efficient than conventional ICE and I expect they will be banned from 2030 - unless the rules change again.

It's only their sale that will be banned - they'll still be around into the '40/50s.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - skidpan

Current mild hybrids and self charging are little more efficient than conventional ICE and I expect they will be banned from 2030 - unless the rules change again.

Based on my experience of a 2014 Auris Hybrid I would have agreed with that but not with more modern examples.

The Hybrid Auris Estate we had as a pool car at work was not a great car and compared to the Golf TDi DSG it replaced was in truth r******. It was lethargic and noisy for starters. At the time I had a 2013 Seat Leon 1.4 TSi 140 PS which was far quicker, more refined and would average 50 mpg without trying on longer trips. The Auris on the same type of trips would do pretty much the same mpg in the same use and considering that HJ Real MPG says 54 mpg for the Auris I don't think I am being unfair on it.

But move on a few years and things have certainly moved on. Our 2018 Skoda Fabia 1.0 TSi 110 PS averaged 48 mpg over the 6 years we owned it, the only car we have owned that has been better was a Kia Ceed 1.6 CRDi 115 SW which averaged 51 mpg over 5 years. We have owned the Fabia replacement now for 9 months, its a 2024 Toyota Yaris Hybris 116 PS and in the exact same use as the Fabia its averaged about 72 mpg. These figures are calculated and not from the dash display. Have to say that the Yaris is as lively as the Fabia (better in town, as good on the open road) and we have no issues with its refinement.

The Superb PHEV we own is also better on petrol than any ICE car we have previously owned. On our twice a year trip to Scotland we are unable to charge the battery thus we are essentially driving a self charging hybrid but one that weighs a lot more. The mpg for the week (over about 1000 miles on average) has always been in the regions of 60 mpg and that is without trying. Our previous car, the Superb 1.4 TSi 150 manual would do about 51 mpg over the week driving the same roads at the same speeds.

Mild Hybrids are really a waste of time as far as mpg goes but the one I test drove (a Golf eTSi 150 PS) pulled away better than any other DSG I have driven and had no hesitation when you wanted to overtake, the battery was clearly assisting a bit. No idea what the mpg was like, we only had it for a morning.

Our next car will without doubt be a hybrid, probably not another PHEV since the extra £410 a year VED (they big ones are all over £40,000) and extra purchase cost would wipe out any fuel savings. The Superb PHEV we have was a pre-reg (3 weeks old - 7 miles) and had £6000 off list.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Big John

We have owned the Fabia replacement now for 9 months, its a 2024 Toyota Yaris Hybris 116 PS and in the exact same use as the Fabia its averaged about 72 mpg. These figures are calculated and not from the dash display. Have to say that the Yaris is as lively as the Fabia (better in town, as good on the open road) and we have no issues with its refinement.

I've never driven the Auris hybrid so I cant compare but have started my Toyota hybrid gubbins experience in a gen 5 in the form of a 2024 Suzuki Swace. Refinement is generally great but if the engine does run when you're stationary (more common in winter) you do hear it whereas in my previous Superb 1.4 tsi it was silent in that car at tickover. On the move the Swace very refined, infact sublime at lower speeds, but I'd say at speed road noise is higher than my previous one but that may reduce when I change tyres in the future. If you boot it hard up a hill you do hear the engine rev but it's not intrusive and you don't need to as it picks up reasonably well at lower revs (if engine running!) especially in ECO mode. Cruising at motorway speeds it frequently drops to EV mode for a while and if the engine kicks in you don't really notice it. One slight gripe with the Swace (which I understand is also a thing with the nearly identical Corolla) is that when the fuel gauge says it's empty you only get a bit over 30 litres of petrol in it whereas the tank is listed as 43litres - can't complain though as that usually gets you about 480 miles so a similar range to my previous Superb but it just costs me about £30 less.

Would I buy another full hybrid - oh yes, infact I'd say buy one while you can! Whatever the rules re hybrid, unless there is an unlikely U turn in policy anything new with a petrol engine is going to be harder to find - models are vanishing rapidly right now. Simple economics then apply - if demand is still high but limited supply then prices will increase.

Edited by Big John on 26/12/2024 at 00:19

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - martin.mc

Agree. Watch used petrol/diesel car prices go sky high after 2030 or whenever. Another side effect will be that people will be prepared to spend more money having older cars repaired and will keep them for longer. The opposite of what the Government wants.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - madf

Agree. Watch used petrol/diesel car prices go sky high after 2030 or whenever. Another side effect will be that people will be prepared to spend more money having older cars repaired and will keep them for longer. The opposite of what the Government wants.

Obvious solution: increase fuel taxes...

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Orb>>.

Agree. Watch used petrol/diesel car prices go sky high after 2030 or whenever. Another side effect will be that people will be prepared to spend more money having older cars repaired and will keep them for longer. The opposite of what the Government wants.

Obvious solution: increase fuel taxes...

One thing.. Soon anyone buying a car will be paying the "luxury" extra tax for 5 years as when manufacturers have to pass on the fines, guess who'll be paying them.

2030 or 2025 are too far in the future for me to worry about at the soon to be 74 years of age.

Edited by Orb>>. on 28/12/2024 at 15:46

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - Chris M

"2030 or 2025 are too far in the future for me to worry about at the soon to be 74 years of age."

Orb. I do hope you live long enough to see next Wednesday.

:)

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - gordonbennet

Agree. Watch used petrol/diesel car prices go sky high after 2030 or whenever. Another side effect will be that people will be prepared to spend more money having older cars repaired and will keep them for longer. The opposite of what the Government wants.

6 months is a long time in politics, agenda 2030 is another 6 years away, anything can and will happen in the intervening years, i for one am not in the least bothered what the current or the previous regime went along with.

Any - New Hybrids to be allowed to 2035? - nailit

6 months is a long time in politics, agenda 2030 is another 6 years away, anything can and will happen in the intervening years, i for one am not in the least bothered what the current or the previous regime went along with.

+1 What gb said. ??