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40 year old first time driver! - Plowe

Hi, and help please!

Just a short 23 years after my first lesson, I passed my driving test last week :-)

And now I'm completely overwhelmed at choosing a car to suit me and my family, with me and my husband knowing next to nothing about cars. Main points I think are:

Automatic

Will mainly be used local, but for longer distances/motorways possibly every few weeks for leisure trips.

We have a 3 year old, hoping to have another baby within the next year (but obviously no guarantees on that one!). So need a reasonable size.

I've been recommended compact SUV's and larger cars but a bit nervous about going straight from driving the Yaris I learnt in, to this.

I liked the idea of a hybrid (not plug-in), but accept this may be out of budget.

Engine size-wise, I've been advised anything above 1.2 should be ok, and that 1.8 may be too large for what I need, that mileage should aim for below 60k as low as possible. Any advice on these?

I've been looking at the Toyota Auris (the smaller version), some around 2015/2016 £9kish for 60/70k miles (also looked at the Honda Jazz coming in slightly lower).

We were originally hoping for £10k all-in including insurance, although we can go a little higher if necessary. We're about to buy a house within the next year (big year!), so I'm also wondering if we're best getting an even older and cheaper one for now and seeing how our savings are in 18/24 months to potentially buy something then that will last us, but I don't know how old is ok to go whilst being reliable, or if we're ok to buy something mid-priced as above because if we switch up it would still have a bit of value.

Thanks so much if you read this far!

(p.s. I had a few stints of lessons for various life reasons over the decades and never took my test, I'm not just a really shocking driver..!)

Edited by Plowe on 26/11/2024 at 22:12

40 year old first time driver! - SLO76
Hi, and welcome. Congratulations on passing your test too!

Sounds like you’re being quite sensible regarding this first car, the Toyota Auris is a good option if you want a reliable automatic. I’d add in the Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv petrol - don’t worry about engine size, it’s irrelevant these days and it’s good on fuel. These use a very robust chain driven petrol motor, there’s no turbo to worry about or timing belt requiring changed every 5/6yrs. They’re good to drive and the gearbox is a straightforward and well proven torque converter setup.

Avoid anything fitted with Fords fragile Powershift auto or their notoriously weak 1.0 Ecoboom engines. The need for an auto rules out any Ford in budget, unless you want to buy something older.

Avoid anything fitted with Peugeot’s 1.2 Purec*** motor also, this is another wet belt design with a terrible reputation for failures, though the company do use a good auto box with these.

A Honda Jazz CVT is a good option, but buy one with a full main dealer history and check any gearbox fluid changes have been done.

I personally favour a Mazda 2,3, CX-3 or CX-30 with the robust skyactiv petrol motor and torque converter transmission. There’s not much to go wrong, with underbody rust being the only real concern so it’ll need checked by someone who knows what they’re doing.

Small autos are however quite sought after and hard to find so prices are substantially higher than an equivalent manual unless there’s trade concerns over the longevity of the gearbox such as Fords Powershift.

Give me a rough search area and I’ll take a look for worthy options nearby. Also, is that budget strict, or can it be squeezed up a bit for the right car? Best to spend more upfront to get a good car than to be stung with big bills later.

Edited by SLO76 on 26/11/2024 at 23:12

40 year old first time driver! - Adampr

If you do look at compact SUVs I would consider the Suzuki Vitara (mostly because I have one). They're quite cheap, easy to drive / see out of and reliable. Decent size boot, wide opening doors and a slightly low rent interior, which makes it easy to wipe up after kids

40 year old first time driver! - Plowe
Thanks for this - I will check this out!
40 year old first time driver! - Plowe
Thanks so much for your thorough reply!

There are things to look for there I had no clue about, and reassuring to not have to worry about engine size. I hadn’t considered the Mazda, purely because once I went outside of Toyota and Honda which I’d been recommended I got overwhelmed!

Budget can be pushed up if necessary, in all honestly we had no clue what is reasonable to pay.
I’m in London at the moment, but I should be able to fit in a train ride out an hour or so though to visit the right car (I’ve been doing a 40 mile radius search from south London).

Thanks so much!
40 year old first time driver! - Andrew-T
I’m in London at the moment, but I should be able to fit in a train ride out an hour or so though to visit the right car (I’ve been doing a 40 mile radius search from south London).

Nice idea to travel around to look at cars, but think twice about it when actually buying. No problem if the car is a good'un, but a real nuisance if it ever has to go back for remedial work.

I also appreciate that there may be savings in buying away from The Smoke, but I suspect it may be necessary to further than 40 miles to find them ?

40 year old first time driver! - Engineer Andy
Hi, and welcome. Congratulations on passing your test too! Sounds like you’re being quite sensible regarding this first car, the Toyota Auris is a good option if you want a reliable automatic. I’d add in the Mazda 3 2.0 Skyactiv petrol - don’t worry about engine size, it’s irrelevant these days and it’s good on fuel. These use a very robust chain driven petrol motor, there’s no turbo to worry about or timing belt requiring changed every 5/6yrs. They’re good to drive and the gearbox is a straightforward and well proven torque converter setup. Avoid anything fitted with Fords fragile Powershift auto or their notoriously weak 1.0 Ecoboom engines. The need for an auto rules out any Ford in budget, unless you want to buy something older. Avoid anything fitted with Peugeot’s 1.2 Purec*** motor also, this is another wet belt design with a terrible reputation for failures, though the company do use a good auto box with these. A Honda Jazz CVT is a good option, but buy one with a full main dealer history and check any gearbox fluid changes have been done. I personally favour a Mazda 2,3, CX-3 or CX-30 with the robust skyactiv petrol motor and torque converter transmission. There’s not much to go wrong, with underbody rust being the only real concern so it’ll need checked by someone who knows what they’re doing. Small autos are however quite sought after and hard to find so prices are substantially higher than an equivalent manual unless there’s trade concerns over the longevity of the gearbox such as Fords Powershift. Give me a rough search area and I’ll take a look for worthy options nearby. Also, is that budget strict, or can it be squeezed up a bit for the right car? Best to spend more upfront to get a good car than to be stung with big bills later.

I'm wonder whether the KIA Venga / Hyundai ix20 in 1.6 petrol auto form would be worth a look?

They have a torque converter auto gearbox, decent sized boot and are compact (for the space inside/boot), but at the expense of handling, performance and mpg because its a non-turbo engine and the TC auto box is an older generation design even than, say a similar aged 3rd gen Mazda 2 or 3 (or CX-3). They also appear to have good all-around visibility for a modern-ish car.

The CX-30 will unfortunately be well out of the OP's price range because they only started being sold in 2019. The CX-3 (early models) should be, though in my experience they appear to be overpriced when compared to the larger Mazda3 (hatch) using the same 2L petrol engine and same trim level, which has a bigger boot.

One of the downsides of the 2014+ Mazdas is (coming from a Mazda3 owner of nearly 19 years standing) the poor rear visibility, but then that often is a 'feature' of most cars of the last 10 years.

Before the Mazda3 owners' website (recently) closed, the only problems with rust generally were limited to Mazdas built before 2010-12 or so. I haven't heard of anything of note since then, aside from those owned by people living at the seaside or where they never clean off road salt from their car, which probably would affect any make.

40 year old first time driver! - SLO76
I realise this is a fair bit more money, but being a low mileage newish Honda Jazz it’s a low risk car that will be cheap to run and should be utterly reliable. Easy 50mpg economy, cheap insurance and very easy to drive yet surprisingly practical.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411186413120



Toyota Auris is a good bet, apparently the offer from this dealer included a 2yr warranty, but if you service it with any Toyota dealer you get a years warranty free anyway - if they offer is still on from Toyota. A size up from the Jazz, but not much bigger inside. A bit more refined on longer runs though.

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411015842251

Edited by SLO76 on 27/11/2024 at 12:56

40 year old first time driver! - Heidfirst
www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411186413120 Toyota Auris is a good bet, apparently the offer from this dealer included a 2yr warranty, but if you service it with any Toyota dealer you get a years warranty free anyway - if they offer is still on from Toyota

Yes, Toyota will still warranty under the Relax programme up until 10 years (it can actually be just shy of 11 if you get it serviced just before it's 10th birthday) and/or 100,000 miles subject to dealer servicing at recommended intervals.

40 year old first time driver! - Engineer Andy

Which of the two Auris versions is the one that's (like the very early mid 2000s Jazzes) susceptible to catalytic converter theft and thus comes with high insurance premiums compared to otherwise similar cars?

If it the 2nd gen car (likely the one [early example] the OP would be looking at amongst others), or both 1st and 2nd ones, then would be wise to avoid them, despite all the other things in its favour (reliability being the biggest)?

Did they change the design prior to 'going back' to the Corolla name for the current version to 'fix' or negate the CAT security issue?

40 year old first time driver! - Heidfirst

Which of the two Auris versions is the one that's (like the very early mid 2000s Jazzes) susceptible to catalytic converter theft and thus comes with high insurance premiums compared to otherwise similar cars?

If it the 2nd gen car (likely the one [early example] the OP would be looking at amongst others), or both 1st and 2nd ones, then would be wise to avoid them, despite all the other things in its favour (reliability being the biggest)?

Did they change the design prior to 'going back' to the Corolla name for the current version to 'fix' or negate the CAT security issue?

that was really just for the hybrids as the metals within tended to be less contaminated.

& yes, the cat placement for the Corolla was redesigned.

40 year old first time driver! - SLO76

Which of the two Auris versions is the one that's (like the very early mid 2000s Jazzes) susceptible to catalytic converter theft and thus comes with high insurance premiums compared to otherwise similar cars?

If it the 2nd gen car (likely the one [early example] the OP would be looking at amongst others), or both 1st and 2nd ones, then would be wise to avoid them, despite all the other things in its favour (reliability being the biggest)?

Did they change the design prior to 'going back' to the Corolla name for the current version to 'fix' or negate the CAT security issue?

It’s the hybrid that’s known for this, thus the reason for recommending the 1.2t instead as it’s a real issue in London unfortunately.
40 year old first time driver! - Engineer Andy

Hi, and help please!

Just a short 23 years after my first lesson, I passed my driving test last week :-)

And now I'm completely overwhelmed at choosing a car to suit me and my family, with me and my husband knowing next to nothing about cars. Main points I think are:

Automatic

Will mainly be used local, but for longer distances/motorways possibly every few weeks for leisure trips.

We have a 3 year old, hoping to have another baby within the next year (but obviously no guarantees on that one!). So need a reasonable size.

I've been recommended compact SUV's and larger cars but a bit nervous about going straight from driving the Yaris I learnt in, to this.

I liked the idea of a hybrid (not plug-in), but accept this may be out of budget.

Engine size-wise, I've been advised anything above 1.2 should be ok, and that 1.8 may be too large for what I need, that mileage should aim for below 60k as low as possible. Any advice on these?

I've been looking at the Toyota Auris (the smaller version), some around 2015/2016 £9kish for 60/70k miles (also looked at the Honda Jazz coming in slightly lower).

We were originally hoping for £10k all-in including insurance, although we can go a little higher if necessary. We're about to buy a house within the next year (big year!), so I'm also wondering if we're best getting an even older and cheaper one for now and seeing how our savings are in 18/24 months to potentially buy something then that will last us, but I don't know how old is ok to go whilst being reliable, or if we're ok to buy something mid-priced as above because if we switch up it would still have a bit of value.

Thanks so much if you read this far!

(p.s. I had a few stints of lessons for various life reasons over the decades and never took my test, I'm not just a really shocking driver..!)

Don't worry too much about engine 'size' - its the performance, mpg and reliability you need to be considering.

Some cars will be 'naturally aspirated', which is car speak for 'not having a turbocharger or supercharger' (i.e. devises that use either the exhaust gases or the engine itself to boost power by forcing more air into the combustion chamber).

As such, these cars will need a larger engine to produce about the same power / give roughly the same performance as a car with a turbo or supercharger.

Example being the 3rd generation Mazda 3 (2014-19) 2 litre petrol, roughly 120bhp in power vs the similarly performing Seat Leon (2013-20) 1.4 litre turbo petrol with about 123bhp.

Some even newer turbocharged petrol engines can be as 'small' as 1 litre and still give the same performance in a car as that 2L 'naturally aspirated' unit. There are various ups and downsides of both types, with the 'naturally aspirated' ones being les complex / simpler to maintain and likely more reliable / longer lasting, whereas the equivalent power turbo ones mostly are about 5-10% better on fuel efficiency.

What you may want to consider as a new (inexperienced) driver is to either buy a car that you feel comfortable driving - not just the seat/driving position, but in terms of size, visibility, etc, i.e. something like the Yaris you learned in.

Unfortunately, a lot of modern cars come with much smaller windows and more / larger blind spots (necessitating all other extra [expensive] gadgets to aid you - parking sensors, wing mirror blind spot monitoring, etc).

Driving a much bigger car may have longer term economic benefits, because you don't have to change up (depreciation of the first car when selling it) when baby '2 comes along, but you might find it difficult as someone who came to driving later in life to easily adapt to a larger vehicle.

The downside is that you'll spend more (probably between 10-20%) on fuel, it'll be more expensive (not a great deal if the performance and trim level is roughly the same) to insure and maintain.

I'd advise a thorough test drive (on a variety of different road types / surfaces representative of all your likely journeys) of any cars you initially pick for your 'possibles' list.

I would also buy the absolute lowest trim level / car performance you find acceptable, because that means saving money on the purchase price, insurance and maintenance (less bits to replace if broken/damaged), plus you mostly get reasonable (read smaller) wheels and skinnier, higher sidewall tyres, which last longer, give a better ride (which also gives more protection to the suspension) and are cheaper to replace (more choice), if they are a common, 'standard' size.

Be wary when buying older cars if they are shod of cheapo 'Chinese ditchfinder' brands of tyre - whilst they are 'road legal', they are cheap because they either compromise lifespan to make them grippy and quiet (i.e. they are soft), or the opposite (hard tyres).

Whilst the 'premium' tyre brands are quite expensive, many of them own 'second tier' tyre brands / companies and others of a similar nature give good value products, the vast majority of which are fine for most ordinary cars.

Websites like Tyre Reviews give more information, including lists of what makes and models of tyre are 'premium', 'mid-level' and 'budget' and/or are suitable for particular types of car or weather conditions.

www.tyrereviews.co.uk/

If you live in an area that regularly gets a reasonable amount of snowy / icy weather in winter, I'd recommend getting 'all season' tyres fitted (see Tyre Reviews for more info) next time your new car's need changing. Some are suited more to the warmer conditions found in the South of the UK, others more towards the North, some in-between.

If you rarely get snow and don't live/drive in a rural area, then normal 'summer' tyres will probably be fine, though if you occasionally do get snow, just take it very easy, especially as a new driver. Having skinnier tyres ironically helps in such conditions.

40 year old first time driver! - Warning

Congratulations :-

- Compact SUV - you are paying a premium for 'SUV' variant of the same car. I prefer a non SUV car, as they drive better and they are cheaper to buy. Tyres are cheaper too.

- Engine size - Not relevant. Most modern cars, are capable. Unless you will be driving uphill, carrying luggage and lots of big passengers. Some cars which have small engines come with a turbo (which can break). A simple car is cheaper to run.

- Service History - This is important, you can see a car with 50,000miles, but it may have been clocked. Look for service history. I would pay a bit extra for a dealer serviced car. People tend to stop taking their cars to main dealer, once a car gets older.

Parking Sensor - this would help in parking.

My car choice: I test drove a Honda Civic (a pre-2017) variant in petrol manual. I really liked it. I did n't buy it as not big enough for my needs. It was an easy to car to drive. I felt I could drive all the way to Scotland. Don't know how good their auto boxes are, but Honda are No1 or 2 in the US. The Americans mostly drive automatics.

I suggest you watch High Peak Auto on Youtube. He is a car dealer.