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Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - danblue

I purchased a 2017 1.4 TFSI A1, 6 June 2023 from an Audi dealer with 1 year extended warranty.

The mileage was around 23,500.

It had a cambelt done at 22,900 in Feb 2023

It had a service down at 23,300 min April 2023

All the work was done by themselves.

I had no issues with the car until 1 December when the engine suddenly cut out, and it wouldn’t start again. Mileage was clocked at 24,900.

Called Audi Assist and the AA technician stated it was the cambelt and that it needed to be towed to a garage.

The workshop at the Audi dealer are currently going through renovations and couldn’t accept the car, so after calling around I managed to book it in to another Audi dealer for 21 December, who are under the same franchise ownership.

They got back to me this week and stated that they couldn’t get the car to start, and couldn’t diagnose the fault without stripping the engine.

The only thing he said was it didn’t appear to be the cambelt as it was still intact and that the problem seemed to be no compression going through the cylinders.

He said 5 hours of labour was needed to strip the engine just to diagnose the fault alone and this was quoted at around £1200.

The problem is, he couldn’t guarantee that whatever the problem is, would be covered under the extended warranty. So I could be liable for this.

I only had the car for 6 months and driven it less than 1500 miles when it broke down.

It fell within the 6 months under the Consumer Rights Act, so I understand that the onus is on them to prove there were no issues when the car was sold?

Just wanted to see if anyone has had a similar experience or whether any advice can be given as to the best route to take at this point as I’m currently stuck in limbo.

I tried to speak to sales guy I purchased the car from, but he’s currently on leave until Jan 3.

Edited by Xileno on 28/12/2023 at 18:46

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - elekie&a/c doctor
Not sure why anybody would change a cambelt at 23k miles . Even cortina belts lasted longer than that . The fact that it’s got no compression on any cylinder would indicate that there is top end valve damage. Something on the valve train drive has failed , the belt may be intact , but something has come adrift. Surely the idea of n Audi extended warranty is to cover a failure of this nature? This needs to be fixed at no cost to yourself. I strongly suspect this is a result of the cambelt replacement job .
Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Orb>>

Simples, Call Audi customer services and give them all the documentation you have given us.

Cambelt replacement after 5 years? Invoice available from Audi Franchise?

Work guaranteed for 12 months if AUDI dealer and parts. request copy of internal invoice if it was them that did the work !!!

www.audi.co.uk/dam/nemo/uk/PDFs/audi-approved_used...f

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Bromptonaut
Not sure why anybody would change a cambelt at 23k miles .

For some VAG engines, including the 4 cylinder 1200 petrol in my Fabia the prescribed replacement period is 5 years.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

The main point is that the OP is absolutely correct in what they say about the CRA.

They must ensure that they keep all the recorded evidence, and a meticulous record of any conversations etc., and writes to the supplying dealership with signed for delivery, demanding that the car be repaired or replaced within a set time frame- say, one month, and that in the meantime they need replacement transport of a similar type. Quote the Consumer Rights Act and state that if their demands are not met, they will take legal action against the Company for the repair and all costs that they have incurred until the repaired car/replacement vehicle is returned to them.

May be advisable at this point to pay for an initial consultation with a decent solicitor, before committing to any further expense with a legal advisor until they receive an official response to their demands.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Adampr

What kind of warranty is it? Is it Audi approved used or some third party policy?

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

Adampr- The issuer of the warranty policy is totally irrelevant. The policy will have more exclusions than you could count. Rights under the CRA are against the supplying dealer and no-one else. They will be stronger than any written warranty, which, after all, is a weak insurance policy. As I was always taught: If in a combative situation, go for the jugular, not the shin-bone!

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Adampr

Adampr- The issuer of the warranty policy is totally irrelevant. The policy will have more exclusions than you could count. Rights under the CRA are against the supplying dealer and no-one else. They will be stronger than any written warranty, which, after all, is a weak insurance policy. As I was always taught: If in a combative situation, go for the jugular, not the shin-bone!

Not really. If it's an approved used vehicle with a manufacturer's warranty, the complaint can also be directed to the manufacturer to sort it out.

The rejection may not be accepted by the dealer, so I was trying to get some more background to see what the options might be.

Stress comes from not having options. The more that are available, the calmer one can be, and the easier it is to think clearly.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - focussed

Adampr- The issuer of the warranty policy is totally irrelevant. The policy will have more exclusions than you could count. Rights under the CRA are against the supplying dealer and no-one else. They will be stronger than any written warranty, which, after all, is a weak insurance policy. As I was always taught: If in a combative situation, go for the jugular, not the shin-bone!

At last, someone that understands the legality of the situation, which very few contributors on this forum seem to have any clear understanding of.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - John F
Not sure why anybody would change a cambelt at 23k miles .

Someone wanting to rip off unsuspecting punters.

For some VAG engines, including the 4 cylinder 1200 petrol in my Fabia the prescribed replacement period is 5 years.

Which presumably British automotive quack issued that prescription?

The unfortunate OP has probably been the victim of sharp practice; indeed, probably malpractice. Not even old 20th century belts fail after only 5yrs. The 43yr old fan/alternator belt on my TR7 is still intact, as was the original 21yr old 161,000 mile cambelt in our old Mk 1 Focus when it was sc***ped.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Xileno

I've been watching the thread closely and seeing some of the later comments have decided for safety to anonymise it. This doesn't alter the quality of advice given to the OP.

Mod

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

The OP is dealing with the masters of delay and frustration, knowing that most customers will give up and go away. Maybe worth checking why they refused to accept the car for inspection ?

A meeting with a solicitor as soon as possible is called for together with a visit in person to the dealership who sold the car, and possible transfer of the car to their premises.

The email, letter and phone call route is only delaying the pain, even if it is to Head Office.


Expect this one to go for the long haul route to get a result !

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Maxime.

The Op said " From an Audi main dealer.................

@nuff said.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - SLO76

No help to the OP, but this post does come at interesting timing. I am/was about to go and view a rather tidy looking white Audi A4 Avant at my local main dealer with this very engine. Is my confidence in VAG’s belt driven TSi motors misplaced?

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - daveyjp

Look at the development history of the 1.4 TSi and the problems with each version, Turbo and supercharged version, low compression, burnt out valves, adaptive cylinder problems, belts, chains etc etc!

The design changed so often over such a short period knowing which one is fitted must be difficult.

The telling point for me was when it suddenly became a 1.5 TSi!

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Chris M

"Is my confidence in VAG’s belt driven TSi motors misplaced?"

This is the second time an issue with this engine has been reported here recently (cam variator bolt failure). You've lost faith in other engines based on less.

Edited by Chris M on 28/12/2023 at 22:22

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - danblue

Thanks for taking the time to reply everyone.

So regarding the cambelt, I was told by the sales guy that before they stick any cars out on the forecourt, they have to check for any necessary work.

He stated that the intervals for a cambelt change was every 5 years or up to a certain mileage. Since the car was 6 years old, it had to be changed.

Regarding the documentation, I don’t have the invoices, but I do have print outs of the car’s full service history which also lists what work was done and when, dating back to 2017.

Just to clarify, toothed belt is the same as a cam belt? As this is what’s stated was done in Feb 2023 at exactly 22,958 miles.

Again, this was done by the supplying Audi Dealership.

The warranty is not a manufacturer’s warranty, it is only an extended warranty so cannot be directed at the manufacturer to sort out.

When the car first broke down, I called the closest Audi dealership to me, to see if it could be towed there, but was told that since it was only an extended warranty they wouldn’t accept it.

When I called the supplying dealer, he said they couldn’t take the car in because their workshop is currently under renovations (I believe this is true, as when I spoke to someone at Audi UK, they did mention this as well.)

He instead gave me 2 other dealerships close by that I could I try since they were all under the Marshall Motor Group.

So currently, the car is sat at a sister dealership.

The timeline of events to clarify the situation I'm in.

December 4th: Made a booking for December 21st to get the car looked at.

December 7th: Car was towed to the dealership, Courtesy car was supplied through Enterprise.

December 22nd: The service advisor called me to explain that they’d had a look at the car, couldn’t get it to start, cambelt was intact, no compression through the cylinders, and the engine had to be stripped in order to determine the fault.

When I asked if it would be covered by the warranty she said it should be as the technician couldn’t see how I could have affected the fault.

She then proceeded to book the car in for the second week of January to have the engine stripped and said the extended warranty will cover the continued use of the courtesy car and that she would call Enterprise to update them.

December 28: Another guy called me to confirm what the Service Advisor had said about the car previously but also stated that he couldn’t guarantee that after stripping the engine, that the fault would be covered by the warranty.

As it stands, the car is still booked in for the second week of Jan to get the engine stripped. Although he will wait for me to confirm before they go ahead.

Called the guy who sold me the car at the supplying dealer, but he’s off until Jan 3.

The guy I spoke to suggested I speak to someone in his service department since they only deal with sales.

He then proceeded to transfer me to whom I thought was their own service department, only to find out it was the Audi UK Central Service bookings office. No help at all.

So the problem I have is, I don’t want to tell the sister dealership to strip the engine only to find out that it’s not covered by warranty, yet the supplying dealer is unable to take the car in because their workshop is under renovation.

So, is the best option at this point to just claim under the CRA?

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - craig-pd130

So, is the best option at this point to just claim under the CRA?

As Leaseman posted earlier in this thread, use the CRA. The CRA states that any fault which occurs within 6 months of purchase is presumed to have been present (or developing) at the time of sale. You just sneak in under the 6 months so your case is purely under the CRA and not under the terms of the warranty.

So collate all the evidence into a letter and send it to the supplying dealer with signed-for delivery (or deliver it in person to the dealer branch manager) demanding that the car is repaired or replaced as specified in the CRA, and that you keep your hire car until the repair or replacement is completed satisfactorily. You should not have to pay anything for this - not for 'investigation work,' nor any contribution to repairs.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

Highly remiss of me, danblue, not to ask the question before, but was the car financed or purchased outright using your own funds?

Please clarify exactly what transfers/ payments/ cards etc. were transacted so that we are not missing any relevant facts. Thank you.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Adampr

Thanks for the clarification. The warranty is probably worthless in that case. Reject the car.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - elekie&a/c doctor
Can’t quite get my head around this . Audi timing belt change schedule is 130k miles with no time limit. I’m fairly convinced this failure is the result of the (unnecessary) belt change .
Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

I’m sure you are right doc but going one step further , is there any benefit in law in having the car returned to the supplying dealers premises when the letter of rejection is delivered ?

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - skidpan

No help to the OP, but this post does come at interesting timing. I am/was about to go and view a rather tidy looking white Audi A4 Avant at my local main dealer with this very engine. Is my confidence in VAG’s belt driven TSi motors misplaced?

Lets get real. Other than the 2 recent issues with TSi belts (both after replacement so VAG are hardly to blame) I cannot remember off the top of my head a single issue since this engine came out in 2013 (we had one of the first in a Leon).

So providing the car you have spotted has not been molested by a gorilla it should be fine.

But as always forums (especially brand specific ones) are pretty much the worst place to get a balanced view on car reliability. Since we ordered the Yaris I have been looking at the Toyota forum and it would seem that we are in for a world of grief, they look like the most unreliable car on the planet.

With regards to the Avant from having looked at one back in 2020 I would not bother wasting your time. We went strait back to Skoda, nicer cars and nicer people for less money. Just a shame they don't do anything smaller than an Octavia or a Karoq with an electric handbrake, if they had we would not have ordered the Yaris.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - SLO76
“ But as always forums (especially brand specific ones) are pretty much the worst place to get a balanced view on car reliability.”

Absolutely agree. The Nissan Leaf Facebook pages are genuinely horrifying for any who own or are thinking of owning one. It’s all doom and gloom, yet from from our own experiences to date (aside from the stupidly located front camera getting clogged with dirt) it’s been hassle free.

I’ve yet to personally meet anyone with anything negative to say about the 1.4 TSi motor, and there are loads of them around here thanks to a very decent VW/Skoda/Seat main dealer and several well regarded specialists.


“ With regards to the Avant from having looked at one back in 2020 I would not bother wasting your time. We went strait back to Skoda, nicer cars and nicer people for less money.”

The Octavia Estate is on the list too, but the Superb estate is commanding strong money, and rightly so. It’s a good car.
Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - danblue

Highly remiss of me, danblue, not to ask the question before, but was the car financed or purchased outright using your own funds?

Please clarify exactly what transfers/ payments/ cards etc. were transacted so that we are not missing any relevant facts. Thank you.

It was purchased outright unfortunately via bank transfer.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - John F

He stated that the intervals for a cambelt change was every 5 years or up to a certain mileage. Since the car was 6 years old, it had to be changed.

I.Just.Don't.Believe.It. See my post above. This obvious example of potentially (and for this unfortunate OP - actual) catastrophic sharp practice was fully discussed nearly two years ago.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/160194/audi-a1-spo...t.

Edited by John F on 29/12/2023 at 18:37

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Adampr

He stated that the intervals for a cambelt change was every 5 years or up to a certain mileage. Since the car was 6 years old, it had to be changed.

I.Just.Don't.Believe.It. See my post above. This obvious example of potentially (and for this unfortunate OP - actual) catastrophic sharp practice was fully discussed nearly two years ago.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/160194/audi-a1-spo...t.

More recently, that guidance was withdrawn.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - FiestaOwner

He stated that the intervals for a cambelt change was every 5 years or up to a certain mileage. Since the car was 6 years old, it had to be changed.

I.Just.Don't.Believe.It. See my post above. This obvious example of potentially (and for this unfortunate OP - actual) catastrophic sharp practice was fully discussed nearly two years ago.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/160194/audi-a1-spo...t.

More recently, that guidance was withdrawn.

It has been widely reported on various forums that VW group updated their guidance on cam belt replacement intervals in July 2023.

I emailed SEAT to clarify the new recommendations about my 2019 1.0 TSi Ibiza. Reply below:

"Regarding your enquiry, I can confirm that from 1 July, the cambelt guidance has been updated to remove the five-year interval on all cars across the Volkswagen Group. The cambelt replacement will now be based on mileage as per maintenance schedules.

The improving reliability and extended change intervals of cambelts means that VWG is removing the recommendation to replace the cambelt every five years. This will be replaced by time or distance intervals (where applicable) as detailed in the maintenance schedule. For some models, this means that there is no service interval at all, with 'fitted for life' items that can be considered as 15 years or 180,000 miles.

However, for your convenience, I have contacted our Internal Support Team to confirm this information for you and have been advised that for your vehicle there is no recommended service interval at all required."

I don't know the actual recommendation for the 1.4 in this post, however it would seem like it wasn't due a replacement belt. If the garage had left it alone, it wouldn't have broken.

Incidentally, I have known various friends/ colleagues who have had cam belts replaced only for them to fail a short time later. Seems like getting the cam belt changed, to play it safe, is a very bad idea.

Edited to add: The op bought his car in June, so it probably was due a belt change, as the new guidance wasn't brought in until July.

Edited by FiestaOwner on 29/12/2023 at 19:53

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - John F

Incidentally, I have known various friends/ colleagues who have had cam belts replaced only for them to fail a short time later. Seems like getting the cam belt changed, to play it safe, is a very bad idea.

I came to this conclusion over ten years ago. Car forums are littered with the hassle and expense of such failures in engines where the engineers designed the cambelt set up to last the life of the engine. Sadly, such failures are often due to the incompetence of often unexamined unqualified garage workers as well as a cheap cheeserind replacement for the robust original equipment.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

Not forgetting the various events of grief with cam chains.

Certainly well documented with the V6 petrol engine in the A 4 which is positioned at the back of the engine and has a habit of snapping , resulting in complete destruction of the engine the replacement cost being £12 k.

Only advice is to stop if you hear a rattleing on start up and get the chain replaced . But this is an engine out job. Similar stories with the Land Rover Discovery V6 diesel .

And wasn’t there some evidence of chain snapping on the early chain driven engines fitted to the TSI engine resulting from cost cutting in manufacture ?

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

The Wickes customer who parked a tank outside the Basingstoke branch to show his disgust about the quality and finish of his new kitchen may give an idea to the OP

MOD please reformat if necessary

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/29/customer-tank-wickes-protest-kitchen-quality-basingstoke/

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Andrew-T

The Wickes customer who parked a tank outside the Basingstoke branch to show his disgust about the quality and finish of his new kitchen may give an idea to the OP

MOD please reformat if necessary ...

I did a momentary double-take when I saw 'parking a tank' and MOD in the same post .... :-)

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - danblue

Appreciate the kind words, as yes, definitely not fun having this on the back of Xmas.

Anyway, not much of an update, was busy with work so didn’t get the chance to make any phone calls until today.

Called the dealer to see if they could email me a full diagnostics report of what has been done on the car so far, but just missed them as they closed, and will be until after the NY now.

The guy I was dealing with at the other dealer is also off until the 2nd, so I will try and pop in on the 3rd to either speak with him or someone higher up to see what their initial position is on this.

Will give me some time to think as I’m caught in 2 minds at the moment.

I understand that the dealer may have to warn me about it potentially not being covered under the warranty, as for all they know, the car could have been abused.

But I know this is not the case, and given that it was a sudden catastrophic failure, all fingers point towards it being a warranty job.

So part of me is thinking to just go ahead with the booking for the engine strip, but again just don’t want to be left with a big bill and a car in bits if they try and wriggle out of it post stripping. As someone mentioned above, I’m not that mechanically minded when it comes to cars so wouldn’t be in a position to contest.

I do agree with others who have mentioned that it may be related to the cambelt change in Feb.

Initially, when I first broke down, I had called RAC since I’m insured with them.

The technician said instantly, from the “unmistakable noise” when attempting to fire it up, that the cambelt had gone. Said nothing he could do but tow it to a garage.

Audi Assist then sent the AA and he too suspected it to be the cambelt, just from the noise.

It would seem like this would be my point of argue that the the work should be covered under warranty.

It’s just the service advisor said it wasn’t the cambelt as they’d checked it and it was still intact.

Alternatively, I understand that claiming under the CRA will give me better protection, but the process may drag and take longer.

Didn’t realise that Vag had updated their stance regarding the intervals for a cambelt change, so may bring this up with the dealer.

Will post more when I get some updates, have a good new year all!

Edited by Xileno on 31/12/2023 at 11:04

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

Without a doubt in my mind, on top of all the myriad of exclusions to your warranty, there will be a monetary value limit to each claim as will as a cumulative limit. Have you perused the Warranty Policy to establish what those values are?

The value of your claim, should you go down that route, will swamp both, and land you well out of pocket..

OP, In my long career in the Motor Trade and Finance industries,I have written, edited and managed after-sale car warranties, so I do know what I am talking about. Go down the CRA route with all haste! See my previous posts above.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Adampr

I have to agree with Leaseman. If you really like the car, talk to the dealer about buying another from them, but get rid of that one.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

What advice would you give the OP about progressing the claim as I have heard of two major claims involving friends where the garage did everything possible not to engage with the discussion.

They would not answer emails , say the manager was in a meeting or block your enquiry at the reception. One of my friends went in person three or four times a week but the claim for a new auto box took three months to resolve with various offers of contributions being negotiated.

THe other claim took over twelve months before a successful resolution !

Both cars with a full service history !

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - gordonbennet

What advice would you give the OP about progressing the claim as I have heard of two major claims involving friends where the garage did everything possible not to engage with the discussion.


I think we're all itching to know which makes were involved here, assuming maker's dealers or were they cleverly disguised modern Authur Daleys.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

"What advice would you give the OP about progressing the claim as I have heard of two major claims involving friends where the garage did everything possible not to engage with the discussion."

My initial advice, offered on 28th December, was a fairly straightforward initial instruction and I followed this with a supplementary question the following day, to which no answer, as yet, has been forthcoming from the OP.

I guess we will need to wait for more feed-back from the OP

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

Both Main Dealers GB , one British and one German.

Another friend made no headway with the dealer so authorised another garage to fit a secondhand engine supplied by the supplying dealer.

On reflection he wished he had left the car on the dealers forecourt and handed the keys and letter rejecting the car to the reception.

This is the course of action taken by the dissatisfied Wickes customer who parked a tank outside the store, with a large notice warning new customers about the service rather than rip out the kitchen. And it worked .

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - gordonbennet

Both Main Dealers GB , one British and one German.


Much obliged for that, i and others here are pretty sure which they are.

A friend with a low mileage German bought new car barely out of warranty (less than a month over 3 years) had no help with that fault nor the more recent even more expensive multiple fault, strangely he's buying another new one from them.

Quite how some of these makers have gained the high image they have among some baffles me, bargepole jobs far as i'm concerned.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - danblue

I did read through the policy documents which mentioned a maximum claim, but no mention of what that figure is.

Currently still waiting to speak with the guy at the Audi dealer who I dealt with when purchasing. Receptionist got her dates wrong and he's actually back in tomorrow. Just want to see what they're willing to do first.

In the meantime, I do have a letter of complaint typed out ready should they prove unhelpful. The only issue is, the car is currently at another dealer's, albeit, the same franchise group.

Would it make sense to get the car towed to them along with the keys and letter, should it come to it?

I did ask the service advisor at the other Audi dealer to send me the health check report. I'll just copy and paste what he emailed me:

"These are the technician's notes regarding your vehicle.

Reference car undriveable - attempted to start vehicle and found vehicle not starting - checked cambelt visually for snapped cambelt, belt in one piece. removed spark plugs and coil packs and carried out compression test - found cylinders 1,2 and 4 to have no compression. Checked timing for cambelt and found engine out of time. May have caused internal damage to valves and pistons - requires cylinder head removed to access damage, may need a new engine if there is metal to metal contact

Quoted price £1,200. 5 hours labour to strip the vehicle"

Edited by Xileno on 03/01/2024 at 16:44

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

You mentioned earlier that the supplying dealership and the location of the car at the moment both belong to one Group. I have checked on Company's House and it would appear to operate as one Corporate entity, though I am not 100% sure that is the case.

If that is indeed the case, and you have been instructed where to take the car, there is no merit in moving it back to the supplying site (especially as that workshop is being refurbished)

Despite your update on the "maximum claim limit" I urge you to pursue the CRA route and forget the warranty issue. Speaking to the salesman who you originally negotiated the transaction with will serve no purpose. You need to be speaking to the Head of Business

My last comment at this juncture would be that you should not commit to contracting for the exploratory costs of the strip. There is a problem. The CRA demands that the dealer fixes that problem, whatever it is. They cannot do that until they know what the problem is- so they should stump up that cost, not you. Full Stop.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - bathtub tom
checked cambelt visually for snapped cambelt, belt in one piece.

IME, they usually are. What happens is the teeth get stripped off the belt on one section, resulting in lack of drive.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - elekie&a/c doctor
I suspect part of the cambelt drive system has failed. Tensioner or drive sprocket come adrift and the belt has jumped. Initial inspection does not require engine to be stripped. Any good technician will have a borescope/ camera to put down the spark plug holes to see what’s involved.
Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - veloceman
My son’s A3 1.5 tsi is 5 years old next month.
Dealership says 5yrs or 60k.
After contacting Audi UK they state 15yrs or 180k miles or effectively ‘Life Time’
They also state no specific time to change water pump either.
Helpful to a point but is 15yrs wise?
Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - gordonbennet
My son’s A3 1.5 tsi is 5 years old next month. Dealership says 5yrs or 60k. After contacting Audi UK they state 15yrs or 180k miles or effectively ‘Life Time’ They also state no specific time to change water pump either. Helpful to a point but is 15yrs wise?

One wonders if they're prepared to warrant that advice, ie if the belt or water pump fails on an otherwise properly serviced car they will cover the repairs?

We all know the answer.

Why isn't the belt change simple like it used to be on cars that were designed in more enlightened times for a long trouble free life, ie a set of timing marks on any toothed pulleys that needing actual timing, with corresponding marks of the block and cyl head, with some belts even having corresponding marks for belt and braces confirmation.

I come back as many times before to the design of the 3 litre D4D lump as fitted to my Landcruiser and the Hilux that went before, where the belt drives only the one camshaft (the second shaft geared from the driven one inside the head) and nothing else, no special tools no measuring of tensions just line the timing marks up, change the idler pulley and spring tensioner, slip the new belt on pull the grenade pin and refit the cover...1 hour for a first time DIYer with basic tools every 90k miles.

There is no earthly reason for a cambelt to be driving a water pump or anything else other than the camshafts, you should not have to loosen any sprockets or fit any locking devices or need to measure tensions or any such nonsense.

I suppose owners these days should be grateful VW didn't decide to stick the belt inside the engine running in oil, following other makers down that rabbit hole of lunacy.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - FiestaOwner
My son’s A3 1.5 tsi is 5 years old next month. Dealership says 5yrs or 60k. After contacting Audi UK they state 15yrs or 180k miles or effectively ‘Life Time’ They also state no specific time to change water pump either. Helpful to a point but is 15yrs wise?

One wonders if they're prepared to warrant that advice, ie if the belt or water pump fails on an otherwise properly serviced car they will cover the repairs?

We all know the answer.

Well, considering that the garage seems to be trying to wriggle their way out of a cam belt change that they did 10 months before failure, there is no way that they will stand by it for 15 years. They are even wanting to charge the op £1200 for diagnosing the issue!

I suppose owners these days should be grateful VW didn't decide to stick the belt inside the engine running in oil, following other makers down that rabbit hole of lunacy.

The VW Group belt TSi engines do seem to have an excellent reputation, as long as you don't let the dealers near the cam belt!

Regarding Veloceman's son's car, I wouldn't touch the belt. Even if he plays it "safe" and aims for two thirds of VW's mileage and age limits, that's still 10 years and 120,000 miles. Chances are he'll have changed the car before then.

You are right GB. Cam belts should be as easy to change on all cars, as they are on your Landcruiser.

Edited by FiestaOwner on 06/01/2024 at 23:36

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - John F

I suppose owners these days should be grateful VW didn't decide to stick the belt inside the engine running in oil, following other makers down that rabbit hole of lunacy.

There are often teething problems with any sort of engineering progress. As belt and oil manufacturers have improved their products there are now few failures of belts in oil. There are now hundreds of thousands of small turbo BIO engines clocking up trouble free miles all over the globe - as long as they are kept well away from garages which use cheap oil and unscrupulous incompetent belt-changers!

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - John F

I did ask the service advisor at the other Audi dealer to send me the health check report. I'll just copy and paste what he emailed me:

"These are the technician's notes regarding your vehicle.

Reference car undriveable - attempted to start vehicle and found vehicle not starting - checked cambelt visually for snapped cambelt, belt in one piece. removed spark plugs and coil packs and carried out compression test - found cylinders 1,2 and 4 to have no compression. Checked timing for cambelt and found engine out of time.

This highlighted sentence confirms the diagnosis.

May have caused internal damage to valves and pistons - requires cylinder head removed to access damage, may need a new engine if there is metal to metal contact

It should be possible to inspect the pistons with an endoscope via the spark plug holes rather than waste time and money dismantling the cylinder head. If any impact marks caused by the valves impacting the piston crown are seen, it's probably not worth the labour to inspect for valve damage, bent con roads and big end bearing condition. I would accept nothing less than a replacement engine/car. As for 'may have caused damage....' the word 'must' should replace 'may', as how else could so much compression in so many cylinders be lost? This engine has effectively been destroyed by the unnecessary actions of incompetent shysters - who by suggesting expensive cylinder head removal instead of a cheap diagnostic inspection compound their guilt.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - Steveieb

You are right John, but when you are in the hands of a main dealer and seeking redress they have all the time in the world to make an offer to repair the damage.

Often this is on a take it or leave it basis after which they have been known to close down all communication.

Best reject the car as suggested by Leaseman and be prepared for an extended negotiation .

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - skidpan

Best reject the car as suggested by Leaseman and be prepared for an extended negotiation .

Problem for the OP is simple, they are outside the easy(ish) periods to reject a car. Its over 7 months since the car was purchased.

Should be easy enough within 30 days with no need to accept a repair.

30 days to 6 months you have to give them one opportunity to repair.

After 6 months its probably not worth the effort. The OP would have to prove that the fault was present when the car was purchased and since in the original post the quote "I had no issues with the car until 1 December" is made it would seem to me proving there was an issue would be impossible.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - leaseman

The major issue occurred before the expiry of 6 months from the date of acquisition. The onus of proof that the fault was non-existent at the time of acquisition is on the supplying dealer. Not on the OP!

I think that we are all of the opinion that this would be an impossibility. I certainly am.

Audi A1 - Advice needed: Engine went within 6 months - skidpan

The major issue occurred before the expiry of 6 months from the date of acquisition.

It may have done but you have to start the rejection process within 6 months of acquisition and its now over 7 months since the OP acquired the car.

The law does not allow you to wait several months after the expiry of the 6 month period before starting the process, after 6 months you move into the next time period.

Obviously its difficult when the fault occurs so close to the end of the time period but there has to be a start and finish date and its up to the buyer to start the process.

Its clear from the posts the OP has not.