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£25k MG Montego turbo! - badbusdriver

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Been browsing on Car And Classic quite a lot and came upon this last night. As mint as it appears to be, still quite an ambitious asking price!. I wonder if there is a fan out there with the money and willingness to buy it?.

Seems even more ambitious a price when you bear in mind you could buy both the ZT V8 260's up for sale on the same website for £6.5k less........

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Xileno

I'm sure it will find a buyer, it only takes one. I think they were criticised back in the day for being too powerful for the chassis. Oddly (perhaps even depressingly) I preferred the look of the Maestro turbo, especially in the BRG colour. But time moves on and I wouldn't have either now at any price above a few grand. 1980s BL build quality was getting better but still a bit ropey.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - badbusdriver

I think they were criticised back in the day for being too powerful for the chassis.

Yes, I do remember reading that too, quite a handful (torque steer?)!. Pretty quick though, even by todays standards. If memory serves, the Montego turbo was just over 7 seconds to 60 and the Maestro turbo was just under. Not sure how many Montego turbo's were made, but there were only 505 Maestro turbo's made.

My brother was a big fan of his Maestro. I think if I was to ask him today, he'd say it was his favourite car (that he's owned). Wasn't a turbo, or even just the "cooking" 2.0i, his was the 2.0 n/a (Perkin's I think?) diesel.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Xileno

Yes the rough but tough Perkins unit. Many of these engines went on to have another life under the bonnet of Series Land Rovers after the Maestro or Montego had rotten out - which they excelled at. It was a relatively easy conversion and the Perkins unit suited the character of the old Series perfectly.

Edited by Xileno on 03/11/2023 at 09:23

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Adampr

People are strange. Montego Turbos weren't even considered good back then. There is a real growth in the market for r****** cars from the 80s and 90s that I don't understand.

As for the comparison to ZT260s, you could buy 8 ZT190s for the price of that Montego and they'd be as quick and about 100 times better.

You've reminded me though, BBD, have you come across a website called retro s h I t e.com ? Lots of interesting old stinkers on there, plus a weekly giveaway to win one of them. I have been sorely tempted several times.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - badbusdriver

You've reminded me though, BBD, have you come across a website called retro s h I t e.com ? Lots of interesting old stinkers on there, plus a weekly giveaway to win one of them. I have been sorely tempted several times.

No, can't say I have.

Immediately drawn to the name though(!) so will be having a look later, thanks for that!.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - elekie&a/c doctor
150 bhp from the O series engine, blowing through a single SU carburettor. Quickest thing on the road at the time for the money .

Edited by elekie&a/c doctor on 03/11/2023 at 10:12

£25k MG Montego turbo! - corax
150 bhp from the O series engine, blowing through a single SU carburettor. Quickest thing on the road at the time for the money .

I had one in black. Huge fun as mine had been modified with higher boost. It wasn't just the 0-60, it was the laughable mid range acceleration. Mine wasn't the best example, it was given to me by a mate after sitting in his garden for some time (he already had one, so did his brother).

Not sure how true, but the later ones didn't suffer torque steer due to Rover making some modifications to the engine position, suspension. Mine certainly didn't. I used to see the earlier versions crabbing up the road under power, it really was bad.

I had issues with the carburettor getting blocked from rust particles in the fuel tank. Strangely I couldn't find a fuel filter anywhere, but I fitted one. The worst issue were the unreliable Lucas ignition units causing misfires on boost.

I did a few long distance trips in it, and it was superb on those long climbing hills on motorways. Once on boost it was impervious to them. I think the turbo was a Garret T3, quite big.

BL were known for being poor quality, but I always liked their cabin designs, very spacious and comfortable.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Andrew-T

<, BL were known for being poor quality, but I always liked their cabin designs, very spacious and comfortable. >>

I had a sequence of 5 Maxis from about 1971 to 1984, none troublesome as none had a cable gearshift. Basically a Landcrab without the boot. Very versatile and well up to trips to Switzerland and back.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - bathtub tom
My brother was a big fan of his Maestro. I think if I was to ask him today, he'd say it was his favourite car (that he's owned). Wasn't a turbo, or even just the "cooking" 2.0i, his was the 2.0 n/a (Perkin's I think?) diesel.

I had one of them. That Perkins lump would pull you up a brick wall. Golf gearbox was almost as good as a MK3 Cortina. Excellent economy. The only car I've ever had where you change up to accelerate!

£25k MG Montego turbo! - edlithgow

I think they were criticised back in the day for being too powerful for the chassis.

Yes, I do remember reading that too, quite a handful (torque steer?)!. Pretty quick though, even by todays standards. If memory serves, the Montego turbo was just over 7 seconds to 60 and the Maestro turbo was just under. Not sure how many Montego turbo's were made, but there were only 505 Maestro turbo's made.

My brother was a big fan of his Maestro. I think if I was to ask him today, he'd say it was his favourite car (that he's owned). Wasn't a turbo, or even just the "cooking" 2.0i, his was the 2.0 n/a (Perkin's I think?) diesel.

I had one of them briefly, just before leaving for Taiwan, 40 quid because not much MOT left and it would have needed welding to get another one.

Liked it a lot. Roomy, with good ground clearance, and very economical. Only downside was the unjustifiably larger insurance premium for the 2.0 L engine (despite its lower power) and it causing me to put diesel in my petrol Nissan Sunny, just before a long trip, which was a big hassle.

Left it with my brother (who had outbuildings) and when I didn't come back he understandably sc***ped it

£25k MG Montego turbo! - mcb100
I don’t do car shows, but I’m always tempted by this one -

www.hagerty.co.uk/official-events/hagerty-festival.../
£25k MG Montego turbo! - badbusdriver
I don’t do car shows, but I’m always tempted by this one - www.hagerty.co.uk/official-events/hagerty-festival.../

Me too, but such a long way from Peterhead!.

Maybe some of these years I'll get there though.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - skidpan

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league, loved the 2 I had but would not want one now.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - edlithgow

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league, loved the 2 I had but would not want one now.

Because we liked them.

I would almost certainly still like them, maybe because I don't know any better.

But I've had shiny new company cars, so maybe not.

Rather importantly, you'd get to avoid this sort of BS

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ec61-5meVlw

(unobtainium write-once PCM. Not an isolated example, apparently)

Edited by edlithgow on 04/11/2023 at 00:42

£25k MG Montego turbo! - John F

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league......

........as was the 16 valve Dolomite Sprint; a 1970s car but nearly as quick as a Montego Turbo and probably a lot more reliable. A better 'sporty' drive too, as RWD.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Adampr

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league......

........as was the 16 valve Dolomite Sprint; a 1970s car but nearly as quick as a Montego Turbo and probably a lot more reliable. A better 'sporty' drive too, as RWD.

That's a pretty damning indictment of the Montego. The only person I know who had a Dolly Sprint was constantly fiddling with it to keep it running.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - badbusdriver

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league......

........as was the 16 valve Dolomite Sprint; a 1970s car but nearly as quick as a Montego Turbo and probably a lot more reliable. A better 'sporty' drive too, as RWD.

1.1 seconds may not be a long time in the grand scheme of things, but it represents quite a big gap when it comes to acceleration (certainly when comparing two 'sub 10 second' cars). I also suspect that the Montego having 35% more torque coming in 1000rpm lower is going to make it feel much faster.

As for reliability, the Dolomite Sprint does have a reputation for suffering much the same cooling issues as the Stag (unsurprisingly). So highly unlikely that either one would be a lot more reliable than the other.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - corax

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league......

........as was the 16 valve Dolomite Sprint; a 1970s car but nearly as quick as a Montego Turbo and probably a lot more reliable. A better 'sporty' drive too, as RWD.

1.1 seconds may not be a long time in the grand scheme of things, but it represents quite a big gap when it comes to acceleration (certainly when comparing two 'sub 10 second' cars). I also suspect that the Montego having 35% more torque coming in 1000rpm lower is going to make it feel much faster.

Of course bbb. It was the sort of car that was fairly innocuous to look at, until you drove one.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - skidpan

Why do people get all excited by these pieces of carp. There were way better cars when they were new and 40 years will not have improved them.

The 8 valve Golf GTi was in a different league......

........as was the 16 valve Dolomite Sprint; a 1970s car but nearly as quick as a Montego Turbo and probably a lot more reliable. A better 'sporty' drive too, as RWD.

Unfortunately the Dolomite Sprint was about as reliable as a Tory Politician. Whilst looking good on paper the Escort RS2000 beat them in every way despite having a simple boat anchor of a Pinto engine.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - badbusdriver

Had a wee look for a contemporary road test and came upon this from Motor magazine (May 1985!) via Flickr;

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Apologies if the link doesn't work, but essentially the Montego Turbo is found to be a very good car. While there are some niggles, the main one re driving and handling is the steering. The tester mentions it being too quick (making the car feel twitchy) and reluctant to "self centre". Re my recollection of torque steer being a problem, according to the tester, it is actually "tramlining".

But overall they seem impressed with the car.

Edited by badbusdriver on 03/11/2023 at 17:42

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Adampr

Had a wee look for a contemporary road test and came upon this from Motor magazine (May 1985!) via Flickr;

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Apologies if the link doesn't work, but essentially the Montego Turbo is found to be a very good car. While there are some niggles, the main one re driving and handling is the steering. The tester mentions it being too quick (making the car feel twitchy) and reluctant to "self centre". Re my recollection of torque steer being a problem, according to the tester, it is actually "tramlining".

But overall they seem impressed with the car.

Yes, but that's nearly 40 years ago, when torque steer, dodgy brakes, useless lights, deafening road noise etc etc were all considered acceptable. Why would someone want to spend so much money on something so bad.

I have been fortunate enough to drive a lot of classic (and just old) cars - more than 20, less than 50. There are only two; E-type Jaguar and MGB that weren't pretty dire in one way or another.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - corax

Had a wee look for a contemporary road test and came upon this from Motor magazine (May 1985!) via Flickr;

6384319479

Apologies if the link doesn't work, but essentially the Montego Turbo is found to be a very good car. While there are some niggles, the main one re driving and handling is the steering. The tester mentions it being too quick (making the car feel twitchy) and reluctant to "self centre". Re my recollection of torque steer being a problem, according to the tester, it is actually "tramlining".

But overall they seem impressed with the car.

Yes, but that's nearly 40 years ago, when torque steer, dodgy brakes, useless lights, deafening road noise etc etc were all considered acceptable. Why would someone want to spend so much money on something so bad.

I have been fortunate enough to drive a lot of classic (and just old) cars - more than 20, less than 50. There are only two; E-type Jaguar and MGB that weren't pretty dire in one way or another.

I doubt that the cars in that old test had the traits you describe. I used to ride in a Saab 900 and remember it feeling firm but refined and very comfortable. BMW 323i? The same. And probably the same for all of those rivals.

E-type Jag and MGB, that's going back another decade.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - John F

As for reliability, the Dolomite Sprint does have a reputation for suffering much the same cooling issues as the Stag (unsurprisingly). So highly unlikely that either one would be a lot more reliable than the other.

Indeed - mine also suffered from the water pump problem. It was situated high up on the slanting block and would surreptitiously leak through an aperture in the block. I can't remember if there was a coolant level warning but if the level dropped too much the head would overheat with CHG failure and possible head warping. Fortunately this never happened to me as I caught it early and replaced the pump. Otherwise it was reliable mechanically - rust was its undoing.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Random

Maybe there were better cars, nostalgia has much to do with people getting excited about such cars. I'd say at £25,000 it's well overpriced but people pay silly money for all sorts of cars.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Random

Me too, but such a long way from Peterhead!.

Maybe some of these years I'll get there though.

Highly recommend it. You and SLO76 should combine to go one year.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - SLO76
I don’t do car shows, but I’m always tempted by this one - www.hagerty.co.uk/official-events/hagerty-festival.../

Me too, but such a long way from Peterhead!.

Maybe some of these years I'll get there though.

Been itching to go to this every year since it started. Sadly, something always gets in the road. I’d love to have something retro modern to take with me. There’s an old fella lives nearby with a 2000 W plate Toyota Avensis 1.8 GLS that’s immaculate which would fit the bill nicely. Retro, very unexceptional and still robust enough to use as a daily.
£25k MG Montego turbo! - SLO76
I flogged a few Montego’s back in the 90’s, despite the rep the later post 89 cars were actually pretty decent things. Went well, even the 1600 was lively, they didn’t really go wrong much and the seats were comfy. Just rust protection that let them down. The Montego was a better car to drive than an equivalent Sierra or Cavalier of the time in my opinion, it’s just a shame it took them so long to get it right. The turbo was quick but couldn’t put its power down, to me the 2.0 injected MG or the diesel Estates were the ones to have.

Never could understand why they fitted the turbo with a carb instead of the injection lesser MG’s had. Renault did the same with the 5 GT Turbo and hot starting was a nightmare. The Perkins Turbo diesel was noisy but almost impossible to kill and it was far better on fuel than all of its indirect injected rivals of the time. When it came out all Vauxhall could offer was a Cavalier with wheezy 1.7 non-turbo motor with 57bhp, the Sierra had the ancient Peugeot 2.3 with 67bhp but it was like a tank to drive and wasn’t great on fuel. The Montego could run rings round them, only the Citroen BX Turbo diesel could better it as far as diesels went. The Pug 405 turbo diesel was much more expensive and pretty fragile inside.

£25k MG Montego turbo! - Xileno

Steve Soper gives the Montego some exercise. Fun starts at 3.05

www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzBmCrLa5Xc

£25k MG Montego turbo! - davecooper

They featured a Montego Turbo on a recent Bangers and Cash Restoring Classics but I can't remember what it finally went for at auction. I don't think it was anywhere near £25k though.