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Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

Hello,

I came to you fine people about 6yrs ago for advice on buying some used cars. They fit our purpose at the time, getting a Hyundai i30 & ix20 which have served us pretty well.

They're sort of in need of replacing though, as they no longer suit our needs.

Whilst I love a good browse on Autotrader, I have no idea what is a gem and what I should really avoid like the plague - Was looking at a fiesta ecoboost but then just saw a thread on it, so maybe one to avoid.

Car 1 - For myself - £6.5k budget, including trade in of mine. I'm now only doing 2 main trips a week, 25 miles round trip from Chester to Wrexham. The rest is school, supermarket, etc. So i'm looking at a city car really or around that size. Ideally 55+mpg, under 10yrs old. Have looked at i10, Aygo, Picanto, etc. Is there anything that stands out?

Car 2 - For my wife, £8k budget including trade in. Does a daily 45 miles round trip up the M53 to Birkenhead and back. She's using my diesel i30 at present which is maybe a little bit big for her needs. Again would ideally do 50+ mpg, as she's on the motorway something thats happy sitting at 70 for a while. Would probably look at a supermini, maybe 9yrs old or under

Any ideas are greatly appreciated, just the thing of not wanting to buy & realise i've bought a proper heap of s***

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - FiestaOwner

Your own suggestions for Car 1 sound good.

Car 2. I would look at a VW Polo/ Skoda Fabia/ SEAT Ibiza with either the 1.0 TSi or 1.2 TSi engines. Just make sure it is a TSi (ie Turbo), as the non turbo ones are slow off the mark and not enjoyable to drive.

VW group updated their advice about timing belt replacement intervals in July this year. Can't comment about the 1.2 TSi, but I was in touch with VW group about the Timing belt change interval on my 1.0 TSi Ibiza and have been advised that the timing belt is fitted for life and the lifetime is considered to be 180,000 miles or 15 years. It does sound a very long time for the belt, but people often tell you to avoid a used VW group car as the belt needs changed at 5 years old (this is no longer the case).

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Adampr

For Car 1, I don't disagree with your list at all. I suggest you also consider a Renault Twingo, just because I've got one and it's a lot better than I thought it would be. It has tons of room.in the back for kids and a hilariously small turning circle. It may not be for you at all, but I kind of chanced on ours and it's been a pleasant surprise.

Car 2, I think I would be looking at diesel for that kind of use. Probably best off with something VAG or PSA, so a Polo, Fabia, Ibiza or 208/C3. You could probably get a Civic diesel, but I would avoid any other Japanese ones.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - sajid

Yaris diesel ideal for car 2

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Falkirk Bairn

1) Aygo

2) Yaris

OR

3) 2 x Yarii

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

I think I still have this idea in my head of french cars being r******. That's probably very outdatded. Had a few clio's as hire cars, they've been fine really

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - FiestaOwner

I would be staying away from diesels, too much risk of expensive issues.

Having a look at Autotrader (filtering on: No insurance write offs, Under 80,000 miles) I only found 1 Euro 6 diesel Yaris. Plenty Euro 5's, but they wouldn't comply with the Low Emmision Zones, which are cropping up everywhere.

My daily commute is a 55 mile round trip. I'm doing 15,000 miles a year overall (with a 1.0 TSi Ibiza). Don't think your (Car 2) use warrants the risk of a diesel.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

It did previously for my i30, was doing Chester-Stockport daily, so 80 miles round.

Now, it probably doesn't at all.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - badbusdriver

I'm a little confused by your saying the two cars you currently have no longer fit your needs. Seems to me that as long as they continue to be reliable, they fit your needs fine.

For car 1, Doing such a small annual mileage means that mpg shouldn't be a big factor. Other aspects of the running costs, specifically reliability, are going to play a much bigger part in your overall running costs as the milage decreases. Assuming your ix20 is petrol, that is the role I would have it continuing to play.

For car 2, If you were buying something else, diesel would not be advised. But you already have the diesel i30. A daily trip of over 20 miles each way at motorway speeds should keep the DF healthy and the car should easily exceed 50mpg. So unless an ULEZ is going to cause a problem, I would suggest sticking with it. I know you say it is a bit big for your needs, but the difference in size between it and a supermini is going to be quite small.

It may well be the case that you now want to change (rather than need to), which is fair enough. But you need to be aware that with the used car market as it is, your money is not going to go nearly as far now as it did 6 years ago.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

More that they were bought for specific things really. i30 was used by me to commute a fair chunk daily. ix20 was purchased as just about to have a baby, so a slightly higher car aided with getting in/out.

It probably is more want to change, rather than need

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Engineer Andy

More that they were bought for specific things really. i30 was used by me to commute a fair chunk daily. ix20 was purchased as just about to have a baby, so a slightly higher car aided with getting in/out.

It probably is more want to change, rather than need

Problem is you're buying at the top of the market pricewise, which means you'll be losing out more via the part exchange or privately selling your existing cars.

In addition, you'll be buying cars without really knowing how they were previously driven (e.g. predominately short trips from cold or not, etc), and possibly from indie dealers rather than a frnahcised main deler, prciely because your budget won't stretch anywhere near as far as it did last time. This would be highly important when considering a diesel for the longer commute. personally I'd not consider one for this reason alone.

At the moment, second hand cars (some that are not good generally or in poor condition) are going for silly money (average 30% more than the historical norm, and often more so for smaller, more economical, less polluting ones [especiallyEU4+ petrol-engined ones] which are in great demand).

For example, one of my local second hand dealers (actually owner separately by a frnachised group which sells new cars elsewhere) is selling an essentially 'used' 2023 MG3 for £400 more than the new list price (its not an MG dealer either). A car with a dated design that gets a 3/5 rating on HJ. Bonkers.

Given our hard economic times, I'd strongly reconned as BBD does in keeping what you've got for now, especially if your current cars are reliable and you don't need any ULEZ-compliant EU6+ diesel. They might not be quite suited to what your needs are or perhaps like to dirve, but they're a known entity as regards reliability / costs for you.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

Had a further look based on suggestions

Car 1 - Twingo, Citigo, UP, i10 & Picanto all look quite nice to me, wasn't sold on the Aygo interior. Found some examples, anything likely to stand out better than the others. Picanto has 2 engines as well, is the 1.25 worth looking at more than the 1.0?

Twingo - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308040418979?

Citigo - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307240025364

UP - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309212223403

i10 - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202309262368255

Picanto - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202307290216582

Car 2 - Wife's choices from looking are i20, Mazda2 & Yaris. Same query, anything better than the others?

i20 - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202304116164833

2 - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202306258923375

Yaris - www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202308301354808

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - badbusdriver

A few points.

Re the first group, the Up, Citigo and (seat) Mii were available with two flavours of n/a engine, 59 or 74bhp. The Citigo and Up you've linked both have the former. Fine in town, but they will feel out of their depth at motorway speed. May not matter, but just so you know. Out of those five cars, the (86bhp) 1.2 i10 will be most comfortable at motorway speeds, but as you know, the Picanto can also be had with that same engine. The Twingo is also available as a 0.9 turbo with 89bhp.

Re the second group. All decent reliable cars but worth noting that the i20 has a 6 speed manual box, so will (in theory) be pulling lower revs and be more efficient at a cruise.

Edited by badbusdriver on 30/09/2023 at 15:29

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - badbusdriver

Re the second group. All decent reliable cars but worth noting that the i20 has a 6 speed manual box, so will (in theory) be pulling lower revs and be more efficient at a cruise.

Just had closer look at the pics of the i20, and it doesn't actually have a 6 speed box!. I'm sure some of them do though, maybe just the 1.4.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - FiestaOwner
Re the second group. All decent reliable cars but worth noting that the i20 has a 6 speed manual box, so will (in theory) be pulling lower revs and be more efficient at a cruise.

Sorry to pick you up on this. The 1.2 i20 (which the OP linked) has a 5 speed gearbox and revs a bit hard at 70mph. I know this because I used to own one.

Edit: BBD beat me to it.

Edited by FiestaOwner on 30/09/2023 at 15:35

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - badbusdriver
Re the second group. All decent reliable cars but worth noting that the i20 has a 6 speed manual box, so will (in theory) be pulling lower revs and be more efficient at a cruise.

Sorry to pick you up on this. The 1.2 i20 (which the OP linked) has a 5 speed gearbox and revs a bit hard at 70mph. I know this because I used to own one.

Edit: BBD beat me to it.

Just had a look at a few 1.4's on Autotrader and they do indeed have a 6 speed box. Manual 1.4 petrol i20's are much less common than 1.2's though.

Another car worth considering alongside the Twingo is the Smart Forfour. They were developed in tandem and are the same underneath. Some pretty jazzy colour combo's with the Smart if that appeals!.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

Much appreciated, hadn't picked up on that. Was just finding examples but will help to narrow it down.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Heidfirst

Had a further look based on suggestions

Car 1 - Twingo, Citigo, UP, i10 & Picanto all look quite nice to me, wasn't sold on the Aygo interior.

did you also look at the Citroen C1 & Peugeot 108? Same car under the skin as the Aygo but cosmetic differences.

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - Myfanwy365

Had a look, wasn't as sold on the style of them. Like an older i10, less a fan of the more curvy shape. Personally like it a little more muscular, like the Picanto

Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - daveyK_UK
I would get 2 of either Yaris, Jazz or Swift
Replacing 2 cars - Ideas? - skidpan

My daily commute is a 55 mile round trip. I'm doing 15,000 miles a year overall (with a 1.0 TSi Ibiza). Don't think your (Car 2) use warrants the risk of a diesel.

The wifes car is a 1.0 TSi Skoda Fabia and it currently does at least 1 trip a week to visit her uncle which is about 80 miles (more if she has to take him to the shops/doctors etc). Most of that is on the M1 and the car is totally at ease with it. Its the 110 PS version which has the 6 speed box and at 70 mph its doing a totally unstressed 2300 rpm and will do a genuine 60 mpg on that trip. We have had diesels in the past but none have been as good on mpg. For car No.2 it would be perfect.

She has a new car on order and when it arrives (March) the Fabia will go up for sale. It will be 6 years old with about 25,000 miles, if we get £8000 we will be delighted thus it would be in your budget. Have a look in Auto Trader for similar, a great car.