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Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Oli rag

youtu.be/QsfpgIDT9C8

Thought people might be interested in this. It's a 2018 Peugeot 208 with low oil pressure problems and this mechanic strips it and finds the cause.

Wait until you see the number of teeth missing from the belt.. and unbelievably it drove in!

Edited by Oli rag on 16/07/2023 at 07:10

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Adampr

I would've given up as soon as someone showed me where the bolts on the inlet manifold were.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - craig-pd130

Amazing. In some ways it's a testament to the robustness of the rest of the engine that it was still running sweetly in that state.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - sammy1

When you consider the number of Citroen/Peugeot customers denied and yet to be denied a compensation for such rubbish engineering it makes you wonder how they get away with it. Robustness of the rest of the engine, hardly surprising as they more or less do their own oil changes in the fact that they drink the stuff as they age.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - John F

When you consider the number of Citroen/Peugeot customers denied and yet to be denied a compensation for such rubbish engineering it makes you wonder how they get away with it. Robustness of the rest of the engine, hardly surprising as they more or less do their own oil changes in the fact that they drink the stuff as they age.

Bit harsh. The presumably more expert impartial judges of the International Engine of the Year awards clearly did not consider the now ubiquitous PSA 1.2 puretech 'rubbish engineering'.

The problem was that some of the early belts were made of rubbish material. Some became, or were made, too wide and frayed. Possibly sometimes the original oil was replaced with unsuitable cheap oil by ignorant or careless mechanics who think they know it all, possibly after too many miles. Perhaps also the original oil filter was not changed hoping the customer wouldn't notice, thus increasing the likelihood of blockage of the mesh uptake. Possibly some owners neglected to keep the oil level above the minimum mark. Our 2019 car displays an 'oil level OK' message - I don't know if this has always been standard equipment.

I continue to think that this is a cracking little engine and am very pleased with ours, although admittedly it has done only 20,000 unstressed miles in one of the lightest vehicles (Pug 2008) which use it.

Edited by John F on 18/07/2023 at 11:34

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - bathtub tom
I continue to think that this is a cracking little engine and am very pleased with ours

Hardly unbiased then. I hope it continues without failing.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - madf

Amazing. In some ways it's a testament to the robustness of the rest of the engine that it was still running sweetly in that state.

It's a testament to my good judgement that the French do design things in a strange manner.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Adampr

Amazing. In some ways it's a testament to the robustness of the rest of the engine that it was still running sweetly in that state.

It's a testament to my good judgement that the French do design things in a strange manner.

And the Japanese (Honda) and the Americans (Ford).

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Andrew-T

Amazing. In some ways it's a testament to the robustness of the rest of the engine that it was still running sweetly in that state.

It's a testament to my good judgement that the French do design things in a strange manner.

Correction - the French CAN design things in a strange manner. - just like anyone else. You have picked one example which PROVES your lopsided opinion. :-)

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - daveyK_UK

Amazing. In some ways it's a testament to the robustness of the rest of the engine that it was still running sweetly in that state.

It's a testament to my good judgement that the French do design things in a strange manner.

Correction - the French CAN design things in a strange manner. - just like anyone else. You have picked one example which PROVES your lopsided opinion. :-)

I have not read of any failings from 2020 onwards, I’m not sure if that was the 3rd design of the belt was in use? Stellantis have not publicised when the 3rd version of the belt was introduced. Google search brings this up www.berlingoforum.com/thread-20264.html

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Chris M

So does anyone know if an earlier car has the belt replaced with the 3rd design, the owner can sleep soundly?

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Adampr

So does anyone know if an earlier car has the belt replaced with the 3rd design, the owner can sleep soundly?

Yes.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Chris M

I can almost hear John F's snoring from here.

I think his would have left the factory with the 3rd design anyway.

Edited by Chris M on 17/07/2023 at 12:18

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - John F

I can almost hear John F's snoring from here.

Zzzzzzzzzzz....

I think his would have left the factory with the 3rd design anyway.

Purchase date 31.10.19.

Apart from Peugeot's early belt supplier problem, BIO engines need special oil. That's one of the reasons why I change the oil and filter myself. I suspect many of these failed belts might have been bathed for well over 10,000 miles in an inferior bog standard multipurpose 5-30 from a garage's cheapo 45 gal drum instead of the correct 0-30 PSA spec. This video, and indeed many similar horror stories, hardly ever give the full history.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - edlithgow

Amazing. In some ways it's a testament to the robustness of the rest of the engine that it was still running sweetly in that state.

It's a testament to my good judgement that the French do design things in a strange manner.

Correction - the French CAN design things in a strange manner. - just like anyone else. You have picked one example which PROVES your lopsided opinion. :-)

I have not read of any failings from 2020 onwards,

Though of course not definitive, this does suggest, anecdotally, that these engines, after a few remedial attempts, MAY be capable of lasting 3 years.

All those VW Beetle owners can now trade their old rides in and confidently embrace this last technological twitch of the IC engine

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Metropolis.
Anyone know the design motive for wet cam belts? Just curious as it must have cost them a lot in warranty work.
Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Adampr
Anyone know the design motive for wet cam belts? Just curious as it must have cost them a lot in warranty work.

Cheaper and lighter (so more fuel efficient) than chains. Supposedly lower maintenance than dry belts.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - gordonbennet

No old school engineers still employed who could spell out in no uncertain terms what they should do with such designs, or have they binned the old school like so many other industries, likewise now discovering why binning off said old school wasn't their best move.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Metropolis.
The different generations/cultures of engineer is an interesting phenomenon at times. Like at Land Rover with the traditionalists battling (and sadly losing) it out with those that dont believe in ladder chassis, solid axles, arriving at the Disco 3 which had an integrated ladder chassis and air suspension which, whilst using an independent set up, was cross linked to mimic the articulation you get with a solid axle, i.e. one wheel gets pushed up by a mound, and the other wheel gets pushed down into the gulley thereby increasing traction.

Or Honda engineers forcing Rover engineers to accept Hondas preferred compact suspension design on the 800/Legend platform when Rover favoured long travel suspension. Interestingly that then became a flaw of the car in UK road tests iirc.

Another example would be Saab and their refusal to just take the GM chassis they were given as-is.

I have avoided apostrophes as if used when typing on a phone it goes funny, such as: ‘

I wonder how much debate there was at Peugeot when designing the PureTech.

Edited by Metropolis. on 17/07/2023 at 19:30

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - corax
Anyone know the design motive for wet cam belts? Just curious as it must have cost them a lot in warranty work.

Cheaper and lighter (so more fuel efficient) than chains. Supposedly lower maintenance than dry belts.

I can't understand the concept of running a fibre belt in hot oil. Usually you put something in that sort of brew to soften it up. Honda's GCV mower engine has the same layout and is pretty reliable, but that's simpler and lower stressed (just slightly).

Were there any older forms of technology using this?

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Lee Power
Honda's GCV mower engine has the same layout and is pretty reliable, but that's simpler and lower stressed (just slightly).

I remember when I was in the tool hire / repair trade asking Honda technical what the replacement interval was for the GC timing belt & the reply was " there isn't a replacement interval, the belt will last the life of the engine "

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - expat

I remember when I was in the tool hire / repair trade asking Honda technical what the replacement interval was for the GC timing belt & the reply was " there isn't a replacement interval, the belt will last the life of the engine "

Meaning that when the belt dies that is the end of the engine's life.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - sammy1

I remember when I was in the tool hire / repair trade asking Honda technical what the replacement interval was for the GC timing belt & the reply was " there isn't a replacement interval, the belt will last the life of the engine "

Meaning that when the belt dies that is the end of the engine's life.

When the belt dies the engine dies! Only too true for some owners of these Peugeot engines

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - edlithgow
Anyone know the design motive for wet cam belts? Just curious as it must have cost them a lot in warranty work.

Cheaper and lighter (so more fuel efficient) than chains. Supposedly lower maintenance than dry belts.

Not planned obsolescence slightly overdone leading to unplanned premature failure?

OK, well if its not a conspiracy...

Then its a cockup

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Adampr
Anyone know the design motive for wet cam belts? Just curious as it must have cost them a lot in warranty work.

Cheaper and lighter (so more fuel efficient) than chains. Supposedly lower maintenance than dry belts.

Not planned obsolescence slightly overdone leading to unplanned premature failure?

OK, well if its not a conspiracy...

Then its a cockup

It was supposed to be a cheap way (for them) of getting the carbon emissions down.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Andrew-T

<< It was supposed to be a cheap way (for them) of getting the carbon emissions down. >>

?/ Explain please ? :-)

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - edlithgow

<< It was supposed to be a cheap way (for them) of getting the carbon emissions down. >>

?/ Explain please ? :-)

Dead engines emit no carbon.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - edlithgow

To be fair, it does have provision for locking the crank, sadly lacking on the Skywing.

Daihatsu manual says use gears and brakes,,,

...which is t***.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - bazza

Apparently a BIO design saves 30 percent in frictional losses giving a 1 percent gain in fuel economy. Seems hardly worth it but obviously it is for the manufacturer to meet their emissions targets and avoid fines. The onus then is put into the user to ensure absolutely meticulous servicing with very expensive specialist oil specifically designed for the application. I think that both the Ford Ecoboost and the Puretech were originally designed for the belt to last the life of the engine but in service data forced them to introduce an interim belt change, very expensive as it wasn't designed for it. I think it can be concluded that the design is ultimately a failure. I haven't heard of a successful application apart from the honda lawnmower.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - Steveieb

Wasn’t the concept of electrical wires running in hot oil to feed electromagnetic injectors in the PD engine frowned upon .

Seems to work when the correct oil is used !

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - madf

Wasn’t the concept of electrical wires running in hot oil to feed electromagnetic injectors in the PD engine frowned upon .

Seems to work when the correct oil is used !

LandRover did that in the TD5 ?? diesel engine. It fails.

Demanding specialist oils when your car costs £199k and dealer servicing is £1k a time is OK. When it is mass production and dropping out of teh dealer servicing after 3 years, it is stoopid.

One reason Japanese engines are a success is that they tolerate abuse and poor maintenance. A lot are sold in Third World countries where specialist oils are simply unobtainable.

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - SLO76
“One reason Japanese engines are a success is that they tolerate abuse and poor maintenance. A lot are sold in Third World countries where specialist oils are simply unobtainable.”

Correct. The tend to evolve tried and tested designs rather than starting afresh, but even the likes of Honda can get it wrong when they forget this - recent 3cyl 1.0 and 1.5 turbo’s for example. The older VTEC motors had been around in one form or another since 1989 and were generally bombproof.
Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - edlithgow

Wasn’t the concept of electrical wires running in hot oil to feed electromagnetic injectors in the PD engine frowned upon .

Seems to work when the correct oil is used !

LandRover did that in the TD5 ?? diesel engine. It fails.

Demanding specialist oils when your car costs £199k and dealer servicing is £1k a time is OK. When it is mass production and dropping out of teh dealer servicing after 3 years, it is stoopid.

One reason Japanese engines are a success is that they tolerate abuse and poor maintenance. A lot are sold in Third World countries where specialist oils are simply unobtainable.

I would bet quite a lot of money on your average Taiwanese "black hand" mechanic not using any "specialist oil" in one of these, at least outside a dealership network, and maybe in,

Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - daveyK_UK
2 questions

1. How did Honda get it so wrong with the 1.0 and the 1.5 turbo engines?

2. When are Stellantis going to release the chain version of this engine?
Peugeot 208 wet cambelt replacement. - corax
2 questions 1. How did Honda get it so wrong with the 1.0 and the 1.5 turbo engines?

An old poster on here called 695 FBE reckoned that in the case of VAG, the older engineers retired or worked on the more prestigious projects, leaving the bread and butter work to the younger, less experienced engineers, hence the problems a few years back with timing chains, last generation PD engines e.t.c.

Maybe the same is happening with Honda, although I can't believe the Japanese mindset would work in a similar way. They are usually conservative in their engineering, making sure that something will work properly before it is pushed out. But the pressures on car companies to meet emissions regulations must be the same across all countries.