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Only those with a towbar - Towing - HGV ~ P Valentine

Caravan owners face £2,500 fines for towing 'incorrectly' after major driving law change (msn.com)

I saw this article on the net as part of my ongoing update of myself ( I wish more driver would do this ) and yet another change brought on by the gov.

I posted recently about a collision coming onto a motorway slip toad while the driver was supposedly under the wing of a "professional " instructor, in a car that was supposed to have duel brakes to comply with its legality.

Now I think the gov has gone 1 step further by increasing the amount of weight that someone with NO EXPERIENCE can pull behind a car. For those who have pulled trailers whether in a HGV Cat C + E, or C1 + E etc, you will know how much different it is with a trailer. Now the weight has increased for car drivers to over 2 tonne, even putting aside the harder aspect of reversing with trailer, now when they brake there will be over 2 Tonne pushing them forward as caravans do not have air breaks like HGV.

Questions ? What do you guys n gals think, good or bad, I particularly want to hear from people who tow on a regular basis that do not do it as part of their job.

Only those with a towbar - Towing - badbusdriver

I'll be honest and say up front that I have no experience of towing anything (unless you class a bendy bus as a bus towing a trailer!).

But, my first question is, what has the increased limit come up from?. The reason for asking is because cars these days are so much bigger and heavier than they used to be. So without knowing the actual figures, it may well be that the new allowable weight is in proportion to how much heavier the average car is now compared with when the previous towing weight limit was introduced.

Having said that, personally I don't think it is a good idea for someone to be towing any kind of trailer without some kind of tuition first.

Only those with a towbar - Towing - RT

Until 1997, any driver passing their test could tow any (normal) trailer/caravan - the restriction only applied to new drivers passing their test from 1997 onwards. The limit of trailers at 3,500 kg has been in place for many decades.

Statistically, those who tow trailers/caravans are no more likely to be involved in an accident than those who don't - no insurer increases the premium when informed that the driver will be towing - if there were increased risk you can be sure that insurers would impose higher premiums.

When I started towing a caravan in '83, the UK towing limit was 50 mph, recently increased from 40 mph - that limit was later increased to 60 mph on motorways and dual carriageways - bear in mind that parts of Europe are 62 mph (100 kph) and France is 81 mph (130 kph) in certain conditions. My observation is that compliance of towing speed limits in the UK is much nearer 100% than the general populations compliance with the 70 mph limit.

Only those with a towbar - Towing - Brit_in_Germany

Isn't the 3.5t MAM limit for braked trailers? So no "2 Tonne pushing them forward". More worrying is the limit for those who got their licence before 1997.

Only those with a towbar - Towing - HGV ~ P Valentine

The article refers to people who have passed their test after April 1997.

For those before we have grandfather rights on Cat E ( trailer part ) and yes it is dependant on the trailer weight of the vehicle which should be either plated ( hgv's mostly ) or in the manual to that came with the car, as trailer weight is the combined weight of car and trailer)

Car drivers after that got stripped of the right to pull a trailer ( amongst other things ), drivers before that could tow a 750 kg ( gross weight ) trailer on the back of a 7.5 T vehicle because, it was not officially regarded as a trailer heavy enough to cause a problem.

But if I am reading this article right they are saying that new drivers can now pull a 3.5 ton trailer providing of course it is legal in all other regards. They stated that ..

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The rules mean motorists who passed their driving tests from January 1997 can now tow heavier trailers, up to 3,500kg MAM (Maximum Authorised Mass).

Under previous rules, drivers needed to pass an additional driving test to be able to drive larger vehicles and tow trailers.

There were calls from road safety experts for drivers to be strongly encouraged to take extra training or tests to ensure they are confident.

While this is now no longer a legal necessity, they argued that it would allow motorists to learn the rules of the road before towing a weight they are not familiar with.

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They used this reasoning to allow learner drivers on motorways, I am seriously worried about what they might be allowed to try next as part of the "learning process". Imagine a 3.5 ton vehicle hitting the side of your car, at 60 mph on a motorway ?

Only those with a towbar - Towing - Will deBeast

I was a caravanner until recently, and also know a few people around the horsey set.

Over-run brakes (as fitted to trailers in the UK) are not great - they don't work well on downhill stretches. Or if the car/trailer get out of line. The best way to mitigate is to have a heavy car (and to take care going downhill).

Pretty much all of the people I know tow with a sensible car. Usually a mid-large 4x4. And are very keen to avoid damage to their caravan (or horse).

The old rules were not as safe as they might appear - it encouraged people to tow with cars that were too light (they were limited by the MAM of the tow car and the MTPLM of the trailer).

I'm not aware of any increase in accidents since the rules were changed.

Only those with a towbar - Towing - Metropolis.
A very welcome reduction in the nanny state, I was very pleasantly surprised. No doubt caravan companies are rejoicing seeing as their customer base would have been diminishing year by year apart from those drivers willing to fork out £600 for a course.

Phew!
Only those with a towbar - Towing - focussed

Nobody has mentioned that the reason for scrapping the car + trailer test was to enable the examiners who were doing car towing tests to do more HGV tests as there was/is a national shortage of HGV drivers.

The car and trailer test (B+E) is based on the lorry driving test and lasts for about one hour - As a comparison the car test usually takes 30 to 40 minutes.

B+E tests are only conducted at vocational (bus and lorry) driving test centres where the reversing part of the test is carried out off public roads..

Only those with a towbar - Towing - gordonbennet

The big problem is trailers in the UK require no official annual test, which in some ways is no bother for a little wheelbarrow sized jobbie which people use for tip runs and as an extra boot for family holidays or camping, as unless the thing actually detaches itself these little things are unlikely to have any detrimental effect to how a car drives, and few people can reverse those tiny things anyway because the steering lock on so many cars can't keep up with the speed one of those toy trailer turns, a trailer that you can fit an 8 x 4ft sheet of wood into is about the smallest for competent accurate maneuvering and by that stage they're getting a bit heavy when loaded for maneuvering by hand.

When trailers get bigger and heavier and you get into overrun brakes then i'm surprised we haven't had some form of annual testing and possibly registration, could be a handy extra revenue wheeze for a bankrupt (morally or otherwise) govt.

I've towed all sorts over the years, sometimes borrowing large heavy car transporter trailers, the overrun brakes on which can vary from very good to nothing to be found inside the brake drums at all in one case.

If we assume the overrun brakes are in good order, then unless someone is clueless about weighting, or expects a really short wheelbase or particularly light or unsuitable vehicle to be stable towing an ill weighted trailer considerably heavier than the towing vehicle, then most drivers (once they've had a tail wagging the dog scare) will soon get used to towing, its not an artform just merely needs some thinking and common sense applying, ie don't run before you can walk and just because you are towing with a Range Rover dioesn't mean it can't all go pear shaped.

Horse trailers mentioned above, these are among the most stable trailers ever put on the road.

I've seen hyrdraulic overrun brakes fitted to trailers before, basic system as would be found on any drum braked car from the 70's, not sure these are any better than a good cable or rod system, each type requires sensible maintenance to keep them in fine fettle, but arguably less maintenance than modern cars with disc/caliper systems really require but seldom receive, systems which are more open to the elements and far more prone to seizing than any drum brake i've seen.

Caravanning may well die in popularity anyway as suitable ICE towing vehicles become more difficult to find anyway, the only bonues i can see of a battery tow vehicle would be the 300/500kg it weighs over and above its equivalent ICE vehicle, but then gross train weight will surely come into play, with car/caravan oufits maybe bordering on needing a an HGV licence.

Focussed, the alleged shortage of HGV licence holders never was, and now it certainly isn't.

Edited by gordonbennet on 11/12/2022 at 12:02

Only those with a towbar - Towing - paul 1963

I've towed all sorts over the years ( grandad licence), biggest was a full size tractor on a six wheeled trailer using the company Nivara, I currently regularly tow a little 'drum trailer' to deliver 200 litres oil drums to customers behind my van, it's by far the hardest thing I've towed, as mentioned above its almost impossible to reverse it mainly due to the fact you can't actually see it (narrower than the van) and it does have a tendency to bounce around when empty.

Only those with a towbar - Towing - Bromptonaut

The report from the Express quoted by the OP is a bit garbled.

Changes introduced in the nineties, probably to align with EU law, meant that those passing their tests after 1997 where the combined 'plated' weights of towing vehicle and (braked) trailer were greater than 3,500kg needed to pass a B+E trailer test. Most cars, paired with most caravans would exceed that. However my own outfit, 2013 Citroen Berlingo Multispace and 2014 Elddis Xplore 304 caravan are below 3,500kg.

That change was repealed last year so that no test is required for trailers up to 3,500kg. However there are still other constraints, not least of which is the Gross Train Weight limit of the towing vehicle. In effect those who passed their tests after 1997 now have the same privileges as those who passed their test before 97.

When we bought the caravan we did a towing course. If covered some theory about on road behaviour but the practical elements were around manoeuvring. You soon become aware, on road, of the trailer nudging the car and plan braking accordingly. On French motorways being under 3,500kg GTW means we're actually allowed to travel at the same dry road limit of 130kph as ordinary cars. In practice I keep to around 100kph, maybe 110 on straight/level routes but the wiggle passing large trucks is enough to put me off anything faster. That and the alarming drop in fuel consumption.....