1 - Thumbs up for reliability, not particularly efficient.
2 - Ditto.
3 - Generally regarded as a poor car all round by the motoring press (though owners like them), Powershift DCT auto unreliable.
3 - This will be an automated manual, probably single clutch. Not sure about specific reliability of the box (or car in general) but that type of box are not nice to drive.
4 - Generally reliable but very poor ride and will be pretty thirsty.
5 - Usually regarded as very reliable but will be pretty thirsty and parts rather expensive.
6 - This will have an automated manual (not sure if single or dual clutch, but both best avoided). Also question marks over the long term reliability of the engine.
If you give us some more info, alternative suggestions can be made (though don't get your hopes up re economy). Why an SUV?, how much space does the car need to have?, what is your budget?, what is your expected annual mileage (and what type of journeys, i.e, long or short)?
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I'd go for the 2.0 XV, mpg won't suffer much and 150 bhp is better for lugging the 4x4 around.
If you do go for one first job for me would be a full gearbox oil change which includes removing the cover, replacing the strainer, the internal filter and cleaning the magnet. Some owners suggest adding another small magnet.
Videos on youtube on what is a straightforwards job.
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My budget would be around 10k, but can stretch a little bit above. First I thought to buy Honda CR-V 2.0 I-Vtec. I have spoke with the Honda Service Manager, and I have been told that the petrol version is very reliable, no problems with them, have the classic 5-auto gearbox.
The only problem is for 10k, i can get the car model 2012-2013 up to 60k miles (which I think is max to be able to change the gear oil before any damage happen), and my wife is not happy with 10 year old car. She wants to buy newer 2015 and above. Other cons of CR-V is quiet expensive car insurance for me (1k a year), road tax and fuel economy urban around 30 mpg.
Hence I decided to forget about CR-V and I start looking for something newer (2015-), with mileage up to 60k, and SUV, as I have been driving Mazda 6 before, and I have back problem issue, when sitting in standard car. I have got a few test drives of CR-V and Ford Kuga and I very like the higher sitting position. Also we found, that we carry a lot of times something bulky in our old Mazda 6, so the bigger boot would be very practical.
I driving about 3-5 tys miles a year, so not much, mainly on short distances of few miles go and back.
I would be able to find Suzuki SX4 S-Cross around for around 10k, year 2015-2016,millage under 60k.
What kind of automatic gearbox is in the SX4- S-Cross 1.6 SZ-T ?
Is this would be the best reliable car (engine and gearbox) meeting the mentioned criteria and budget, or maybe you have other suggestions to buy other car and pay a little extra?
For example, it would be worth to pay extra for Subaru XV 2016 2.0i SE Petrol Lineartronic or Suzuki SX4 S-Cross 2017 1.0 Boosterjet Auto Euro 6 ? Is 1.0 engine in this car would not be too weak ?
Thanks,
Edited by macbook on 17/08/2022 at 19:05
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What kind of automatic gearbox is in the SX4- S-Cross 1.6 SZ-T ?
The letters after 1.6 have nothing to do with it, that is just the trim level. First gen SX4 used a 4 speed T/C auto, second gen (when S-Cross was added) uses a CVT, and the facelifted (2016 on) cars use a 6 speed T/C auto.
my wife is not happy with 10 year old car. She wants to buy newer 2015 and above.
Bar one, all the cars you mentioned bar are older than 2015!
I driving about 3-5 tys miles a year, so not much, mainly on short distances of few miles go and back.
Not much point in worrying too much about economy if you are only going to be covering 3-5k miles per year. There is much more to the running costs of a car than simply mpg.
Also we found, that we carry a lot of times something bulky in our old Mazda 6, so the bigger boot would be very practical.
You say you want a bigger boot, but none of the cars you mention have a particularly big one. Your Mazda, assuming a 2nd gen hatchback, has a 510 litre boot capacity. Biggest of your own suggestions is the SX4 S-Cross with 430 litres (also the only one with more than 400 litres), smallest is the SX4 with 270 litres, barely bigger than a Fiesta of the time.
For example, it would be worth to pay extra for Subaru XV 2016 2.0i SE Petrol Lineartronic or Suzuki SX4 S-Cross 2017 1.0 Boosterjet Auto Euro 6 ? Is 1.0 engine in this car would not be too weak ?
The 1.0 Boosterjet in the SX4 S-Cross makes 160nm of torque from 1800-4000 rpm. The 2.0 in the XV makes 196nm @ 4200 rpm. So that is around 20% more torque, but the XV is around 20% heavier, and its peak torque is much higher up the rev range. The XV is faster (it has 150bhp vs the Suzuki's 111bhp), but you'd have to wring its neck to get that. At normal speeds I'd expect the Suzuki to feel at least as nippy as the XV, maybe more so. Unless you expect to often have a car full, I'd take the Suzuki.
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".....There is much more to the running costs of a car than simply mpg. "
I start going round in a circle, and again considering, maybe I should get CR-V 2.0, which should be very reliable car and the gearbox should also last ?
What max millage I should looking for when looking used car with automatic gearbox?
Is Honda Cr-V a much higher running cost than the Suzuki one ?
Edited by macbook on 17/08/2022 at 20:23
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What max millage I should looking for when looking used car with automatic gearbox?
I wouldn't really say there is a max miles, it isn't that simple.
A low miles car could easily be a worse purchase than a high miles one because most wear and tear on an engine happen while warming up and on short, stop start driving. A car which has spent the hours pounding motorways at the optimum rpm is going to have lead a much easier life.
The CR-V is a very reliable car, but then the Suzuki should be too. Not sure how much difference there would be in servicing costs, but the economy difference based on the real mpg figures on this website would work out around £8 per week (if doing 5k miles).
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"I wouldn't really say there is a max miles, it isn't that simple"
So how I can determine during the buying process, if the car with higher millage (example 60-80k) would be not worse than these with 40-50k on the clock?
Can you advise please what is the most important things to consider a car being economy ? If I do low millage, this would be then not mpg, but others, like insurance, road tax, servicing, parts cost ? For example CV-R cost me more than Suzuki : Road tax: £130 more, Insurance:£150 more, and mpg is huge difference :
Suzuki: Urban 41.50 mpg; Combined 51.30 mp,
CR-V Urban 28.20 mpg,Combined 37.70 mpg
So the Suzuki would cost me less to pay for the mentioned above than Cr-V, but Honda Pro is better reliability and bigger boot and overall space.
Edited by macbook on 17/08/2022 at 21:13
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For.your requirements, I would be looking for an MPV like a Kia Carens, Seat Alhambra, Ford Galaxy or Vauxhall Zafira.
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Why for me mpv not SUV ? I have a few driving test of CV-r and Ford Kuga and I very liked the comfort of sitting, I have symptomatic disc degeneration, and I can't stand driving in a standard hatchback anymore.
What about Suzuki Vitara 1.0 / 1.4 Boosterjet Euro 6 or Vitara 1.6 Auto ??
How they compare to each other and the SX4 S-Cross in terms of reliability of the engine and gearbox?
Edited by macbook on 17/08/2022 at 21:54
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Why for me mpv not SUV ? I have a few driving test of CV-r and Ford Kuga and I very liked the comfort of sitting, I have symptomatic disc degeneration, and I can't stand driving in a standard hatchback anymore.
What about Suzuki Vitara 1.0 / 1.4 Boosterjet Euro 6 or Vitara 1.6 Auto ??
How they compare to each other and the SX4 S-Cross in terms of reliability of the engine and gearbox?
I'm picking up on BBD's point that every vehicle you have suggested has a smaller boot than a Mazda 6 so won't help with practicality. MPVs obviously have a lot more room in them and, because they're less fashionable, you will get a newer vehicle for your money than an SUV.
Vitaras are well thought of, but I doubt they have a huge amount of boot space either.
Edit - most MPVs have an upright driving position too. In fact, maybe consider something van-based like a Citroen Berlingo Multispace or Peugeot Partner Teepee which would be super-practical and have a very upright seat. Some versions of these look a bit SUV-like.
Edited by Adampr on 17/08/2022 at 22:12
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Edit - most MPVs have an upright driving position too. In fact, maybe consider something van-based like a Citroen Berlingo Multispace or Peugeot Partner Teepee which would be super-practical and have a very upright seat. Some versions of these look a bit SUV-like.
Thank you. I will look for some MPV too now, if they provide similar upright driving position. I need to do research which Make / Model would have good engine + automatic gearbox, and are overall reliable cars.
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Is there any website, where I can find detailed car specification, like what kind of gearbox it has, auto, CTV etc?
Edited by macbook on 18/08/2022 at 12:52
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Can you advise please what is the most important things to consider a car being economy ? If I do low millage, this would be then not mpg, but others, like insurance, road tax, servicing, parts cost ?
You don't mention the most important thing of all. For houses, it is location, location, location. For cars it is depreciation, depreciation, depreciation. For a low mileage driver, if you pick the right used cars and keep them long enough, it is measured in not thousands, but merely hundreds of pounds a year. (Or, in the case of my 42yr old TR7, nil ;-).
And if your budget will stretch, consider a post 2016 Peugeot 2008 with the excellent EAT6 (Aisin) box. We have one, and I commend it.
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What kind of automatic gearbox is in the SX4- S-Cross 1.6 SZ-T ?
First gen SX4 used a 4 speed T/C auto, second gen (when S-Cross was added) uses a CVT, and the facelifted (2016 on) cars use a 6 speed T/C auto.
I have found now that the new petrol engines have a DCT NOT a T/C auto, so feel consfused?
"If you need an automatic, then the DCT gearbox is worth a look. While it's a bit jerky at low speeds, it shifts through the gears quickly and seamlessly when you're on the open road."
www.carbuyer.co.uk/suzuki/sx4/sx4-s-cross-suv/engi...s
Edited by macbook on 18/08/2022 at 15:01
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What kind of automatic gearbox is in the SX4- S-Cross 1.6 SZ-T ?
First gen SX4 used a 4 speed T/C auto, second gen (when S-Cross was added) uses a CVT, and the facelifted (2016 on) cars use a 6 speed T/C auto.
I have found now that the new petrol engines have a DCT NOT a T/C auto, so feel consfused?
"If you need an automatic, then the DCT gearbox is worth a look. While it's a bit jerky at low speeds, it shifts through the gears quickly and seamlessly when you're on the open road."
www.carbuyer.co.uk/suzuki/sx4/sx4-s-cross-suv/engi...s
I'd be wary of buying secondhand cars with DCTs, except perhaps those from Hyundai/KIA, where they've generally been proven to be more reliable. Others from (say) BMW and Suzuki may well prove to be reliable as well, but perhaps haven't been around long enough or been sold in large enough numbers worldwide (yet) to know for certain.
Bear in mind that DCTs are essentially as a manual but with twin computer-controlled clutches. They can wear just as easily as a manual clutch, possibly even quicker when used in stop-start urban traffic when the driver isn't aware that the system is continually slipping the clutch when they keep edging forward at low speed.
With TC ('proper') and the better quality (Toyota/Lexus) CVT boxes, that sort of usage will not wear the system anywhere near as much, as long as it's well maintained. TC boxes have improved in terms of efficiency (and how much of performance penalty they have over manuals, DCTs and CVTs) and are nice and smooth. Aside from Toyotas/Lexuses, they are, of the three types, still the most long lived 'auto' boxes.
Speaking personally, I'd worry far less (even now) about mpg and more about meeting the spatial, performance, comfort and reliability/longevity needs, as they have a decent impact on both the ownership experience and can affect the lifetime running cost more than just fuel efficiency.
Similarly, make sure whoever you get the car maintained with is honest and knows what they are doing - that'll be far less stressful and a lot less draining on the wallet.
You may also find that - aside from mobility issues that may preclude some low-slung cars (you'd also be surprised that some SUVs aren't that easy to get in to / out of), but back problems (I've had them) often come from:
1. Cars with (significantly) offset steering wheels and/or pedals;
2. Poorly adjusted seats and steering wheel. My old Micra just needed the seat one notch forward and my back problems reduced significantly. WIth my current Mazda3, the addition of reach as well as rake on the steering collumn and lumbar adjustment on the seat improved things yet further that I've since had no further issues related to driving;
3. Some cars may not have fully adjustable seats and steering collumns. For men of average height, I'd suggest as a minimum they would need to come with steerting wheel reach adjustment as well as rake, plus the normal seat adjustments.
For people who are tall (over, say, 6ft 2in) or short (under 5ft 4in, so mainly women, i.e. this could affect your partner), the seat height adjustment may be a worthwhile function to look for.
Newer and/or more luxurious/high spec cars are more likely to have more of these ergonomic features. Either way, getting in a good long test drive over different road types you're likely to drive on and difference speeds (including that make good use of the gears) to gauge the performance, comfort (including ride quality) and handling is a must.
Also make sure the spatial requirements are met - I take my maximum load things - suitcase, holiday provisions box, golf trolley (box) and golf bag to see if they fit in the boot. Many modern boots are not anywhere near the actual size they blurb says as they include quite a bit of the area under the main boot floor which cannot be used to house large items.
I'd also make sure that - for people with back problems, that the ride quality on poorer surfaced roads and over speed humps is good enough. Many cars, including SUVs (especially later and higher trim level models) are shod on large alloy wheels and large diameter, low profile tyres.
This results in a much firmer ride than when shod on 'sensible' (standard, i.e. very common) sized wheels and higher profile tyres, plus they cost a LOT more to replace, are far more susceptible to damage and generally don't last as long. You could be shelling out an extra £250 - £300 extra for a new set of tyres (never mind the alloys) and in half to two-thirds the time.
The difference in grip levels in normal driving for non-performance cars is minimal for (otherwise identical) good quality tyres, plus higher profile tyres (especially all-season ones) are quieter, give a softer ride, are better in snow and protecting against aquaplaining.
Best of luck.
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