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BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Ken_99

We are planning to visit Grindelwald Switzerland in Dec. The local driving school recommends to put on winter tyres although this isn't mandatory in Swiss.

I tried xdrive performance in a muddy carpark previously and wasn't quite convinced by its 4-wheel control at all. May I ask if it is essential to chain the tyres or winter tyres shall be sufficient in this part of the world? Thank you!

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - badbusdriver

I'd go with the the winter tyres myself, but I'd also carry chains too just in case.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Adampr

Agreed. Winter tyres are great for driving in freezing / slushy conditions and much safer than summer tyres. Chains are well worth carrying in case there's deep snow but make things much worse when they're not required.

Buy the correct size chains second hand on eBay now whilst they're cheap and you'll be able to offload them for the same or more to skiers in the new year.

Having said that, I have driven a selectable 4wd on summer tyres in the alps for a month, had to switch to 4wd once and never put the chains on. It felt perfectly safe until one of the shocks cracked and everything went very wobbly!

I also drove an AWD in New Zealand and that was fine until a lot of snow came down after a day's skiing and we had to put the chains on. I have to warn you, they give you a lot more traction but barely any more grip so, unless you're proficient driving in snow already, don't think it's going to be easy.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Mike H

We are planning to visit Grindelwald Switzerland in Dec. The local driving school recommends to put on winter tyres although this isn't mandatory in Swiss.

I tried xdrive performance in a muddy carpark previously and wasn't quite convinced by its 4-wheel control at all. May I ask if it is essential to chain the tyres or winter tyres shall be sufficient in this part of the world? Thank you!

It would be foolhardy not to fit winter tyres, although I think you are saying that you intend to. I live in Austria and they are as good as mandatory here, inasmuch as if you have an accident in the winter and are on summer tyres, your insurance will be invalid with all the ramifications that it entails. So for all intents and purposes, they are mandatory.

As to chains, you only fit them when necessary, you don't drive on them all the time. The rule here is that they should only be used when the road surface is completely covered by ice and/or snow. I have only fitted chains once in the 13 years we have lived here, and don't even own a set for our current car (Honda CR-V AWD). In general, you would only need them if you are going to a high altitude ski resort. They are available to hire in the UK which might be a cheaper option, but do take specialist advice as some cars need special chains.

Lastly, if you decide to buy/hire, practice putting them on before you leave, on a dry warm day - believe me, you wouldn't want to crawl around on the ice and snow trying to fit them for the first time!

HTH.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Archie35

Even if they aren't mandatory in Switzerland, they might well be in the countries you pass through to get there, depending upon which route you take!

There is a massive difference between summer and winter tyre performance when it is icy/snowy/cold&wet. I'd definitely not plan to go to Switzerland in December in summer tyres. You might compromise with all-weather tyres (Michelin CrossClimates or similar) which meet the M&S winter driving requirement in most countries. You can then leave them on all year if you wish - or pay a smallish charge to a friendly garage to swap them over before the summer. Take a look at this if in doubt:

www.tyrereviews.com/Article/2021-Tyre-Reviews-All-...m

As for chains... if there is any chance of proper snow on the roads, then they are probably essential. I don't know how often I've seen cars unable to exit the hotel car park after a heavy overnight snow drop, even with winter tyres on, and with the drivers panicking about getting home/to the airport on time. Or you could try snow-socks for that one-off emergency.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Eyan1
Winter tyres will make a huge difference. If it’s fresh heavy snow the biggest issue will be the lack of clearance on a bmw .
BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - kiss (keep it simple)

I have Cross Climates and in the last batch of snow we had in the Peak District they were excellent. With 4 wheel drive as well you shouldn't need chains unless road is covered in packed ice which is starting to thaw.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - John F

Having driven only 2 wheel drive cars with normal tyres to Swiss ski resorts in the past, I can assure you that in a 4x4 there will be absolutely no need for either chains or 'winter' tyres, unless you have to access a remote chalet up a winding track. They may be mountain roads but they are so well engineered that nowhere are gradients particularly steep. They are also cleared quickly after a big snowfall, especially on such a busy road as that from Interlaken to Grindelwald. In December, unless you travel immediately after a snowfall, there is unlikely to be much snow around at all. I certainly wouldn't bother with such an unnecessary expense. I do wonder if the more cautious posters here so free with their expensive advice have any direct experience of Alpine motoring.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Mike H

I do wonder if the more cautious posters here so free with their expensive advice have any direct experience of Alpine motoring.

I believe that living for 13 years in Austria counts ;-)

Read my post earlier in the thread.

However, winter tyres aren't all about wet/icy/snowy roads. Winter tyres are optimised for grip below 7°C, with different compounds from those used in summer tyres. So even if the road is clear they should be used.

As I also pointed out, even if they are not technically mandatory, insurance would be invalidated if you were involved in an accident. And yes, major roads will be cleared fairly quickly, but in the event of a sudden dumping, they cannot all be cleared straight away.

IMHO it would be reckless to undertake this trip without at least fitting all-season tyres, and preferably full winter ones. It's worth pointing out also that only in the cities in Austria would motorists even contemplate using all-seasons, it would always be full winter.

You might want to read what the Austrian government have to say on the subject, no doubt Switzerland is similar (link in English), because there are other related regulations:

www.oesterreich.gv.at/en/themen/freizeit_und_stras...l

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - John F

I do wonder if the more cautious posters here so free with their expensive advice have any direct experience of Alpine motoring.

I believe that living for 13 years in Austria counts ;-)

Indeed so........assuming you drive up in the mountains occasionally

Read my post earlier in the thread.

I did.

......, even if they are not technically mandatory, insurance would be invalidated if you were involved in an accident.

Scaremongering. I very much doubt it. Winter tyres are not mandatory in Switzerland and I doubt if the OP is going anywhere near Austria.

IMHO it would be reckless to undertake this trip without at least fitting all-season tyres, and preferably full winter ones.

I emphatically disagree. The OP will find that even the last 20Km or so of road up to Grindelwald will be of considerably better quality than his local B roads in the UK. In all likelyhood he will see just well maintained tarmac, as seen by the googlemap car in November.

www.google.co.uk/maps/@46.6318611,8.0025665,3a,75y...6

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Brit_in_Germany

>Scaremongering. I very much doubt it. Winter tyres are not mandatory in Switzerland and I doubt if the OP is going anywhere near Austria.

While it is true that there is no law requiring you to fit winter tyres in winter, Art 31, Strassenverkehrsgesetz states "Der Führer muss das Fahrzeug ständig so beherrschen, dass er seinen Vorsichtspflichten nachkommen kann." If the conditions are wintry, you are likely to need winter tyre to satisfy your legal obligations.

Edited by Brit_in_Germany on 02/08/2022 at 17:24

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - kiss (keep it simple)

It's worth noting that when the conditions are snowy on the approach to Val D'Isere, the rules are that chains must be used unless you have 4 wheel drive with winter tyres. 4 wheel drive without winter tyres is not acceptable.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Mike H

Whatever.

Links to road conditions in November are not relevant to road conditions in December.

And I pointed out that the regulations in Switzerland are likely to be similar to Austria, so your comment about doubting the OP going "anywhere near Austria" are misleading, I wasn't suggesting they were.

I'm sure the tarmac to Grindelwald will be excellently maintained, but that's not the point when it's covered in snow. I can assure you that the highway maintenance authorities struggle to keep roads open when there's a heavy snowfall however well equipped they are due to the sheer size of the task. The fact that I've seen it personally doesn't seem to carry much weight with you.

We'll have to disagree on this one. You're trying to boil it down to money, sometimes that approach doesn't work.

Edited by Mike H on 02/08/2022 at 22:16

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - John F

Links to road conditions in November are not relevant to road conditions in December.

It just happened to be a googlemap Nov pic - it could have been July. I just wanted to show what sort of road it was. It is entirely possible that in November it might be almost impassable for a short time after a particularly heavy early snowfall, and four weeks later you could drive on dry tarmac in the sunshine. Such heavy snowfalls are certainly not a daily, or even weekly occurence, and it is highly unlikely that the OP's journey would coincide with one that rendered this road, busy with 2 wheel drive cars and delivery vans, difficult to negotiate.

We'll have to disagree on this one. You're trying to boil it down to money, sometimes that approach doesn't work.

Indeed we will. Most people are not in a position to ignore the financial implications of making such decisions.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Smileyman

Slightly different approach, you will have family in the car, possibly children, getting a second set of wheels and running with winter tyres will give you peace of mind. Certainly have some chains too, but these are not likely to be needed unless the conditions are unusually severe. Also consider stopping distances, this is even more important than not getting stuck.

I went to the French Alps in December 2010 (remember the snow & ice that winter), put on 4 winter tyres (2 wheel drive), drove on snowy roads, slushy roads, icy roads, granted I capped my speed on motorways in the blizzards, never a troubled moment, no skids, never stuck, I had a set of chains with me but never needed to use them, even in snowy car parks. I swapped the winters with the summers, the outlay was recovered with longer life of all tyres, when I sold the car I sold the wheels. Nowadays I use crossclimate tyres, just waiting for snow in Kent to put hem to the test!

Don't wait for local law to dictate, local driving school has it's finger on the pulse of what is best.

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - badbusdriver

Most people are not in a position to ignore the financial implications of making such decisions.

At the end of his first post the OP says,

May I ask if it is essential to chain the tyres or winter tyres shall be sufficient in this part of the world? Thank you!

That say to me he is planning to get winter tyres anyway, just wondering whether to get chains too.

If buying a set of winter tyres is going to be a big financial burden, the OP could (as has been suggested) buy all weather tyres instead (which, unlike summer tyres, will have the compound for cold condidtions) which would then just be kept on the car till they need replacing as normal. Though personally I would still have chains too, its not like they take up much room (better to have and not need than to need and not have)

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Brit_in_Germany

Snow socks would be a better plan - lighter and OK for emergency use, e.g. to get out of a parking place (which was the only time I ever had to fit chains).

BMW 3 Series Touring - 320D xdrive winter tyres or chains in swiss - Grenache

I'd back up what other posters have said, definitely get winter tyres. In some countries I have driven in, they are mandatory for locals but optional for foreign cars. However if you are involved in an accident then without winter tyres you are always at fault.

Also check rules of the countries you need to drive through.

I have 8 wheels for my Mazda 6 and swap the winter tyres on for the season, and they definitely make a difference, even in the UK. I have done some snowy journeys on the M6 at Shap and the M74 at Beattock and have been able to continue my journey when other drivers got stuck.