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Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Not sure whether this would qualify to go in the 'technical section' or not but anyway...two issues:

1. My long-standing water leak into my Mazda3's (gen-1 saloon) boot is getting quite bad now. During heavy or sustained rainfall, some of it gets into the boot, and seemingly not via a (partially) failed boot opening seal.

There is definitely water coming in from around the LHS boot opening hinge/mechanism area (I've seen it drip from the inside), but there also is water on the LHS nearer to the seats, which I can only summise is coming in via the back window seal.

Oddly enough, there's no corrosion at any point inside the boot where the water could be entering. Fortunately I do have fitted the proper boot liner, so no damage done to the car, but my foot pump box has had it as its been soaked many times now.

As I've just been on holiday, I don't want to have a soaked (fabric) suitcase, golf bag or other items I carry (I go self-catering so bring along some provisions, etc in a carboard box). Whilst I can buy plastic boxes (I bought one today for £3 to house the foot pump), would anyone recommend any non-garage fix for the leak?

I was thinking of trying a clear sealant on the metal joints and more like this one (Granville) from my local Halfords:

www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-and-body-repair/a...l

2. My car's front headlamp lenses are starting to oxidise and was considering the cheaper option of using a Turtlewax combo cleaner and sealant, rather than one of those expensive 'kits' with the pads of sandpaper, polisher and UV sealant. Again, also from Halfords (I'll be in the vicinity of one hopefully tomorrow):

www.halfords.com/motoring/car-cleaning/car-wax/tur...l

Any thoughts on either issue and the (type of or actual) products I'm considering using?

Bear in mind as my car is already 16.5 years old, it's probably not worth spending a fortune on if a cheap alternative does a reasonable job.

Especially as any 'diagnosis' of the first problem may cost £50 - £100, never mind any 'fix', and changing headlamp lenes will likely cost around £200, given I was quoted £150+ a few years ago for replacing a front fog light which had a cracked lens (the unit still works and it isn't an MOT failure item).

Edited by Engineer Andy on 04/07/2022 at 14:03

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - sammy1

Re water leak, you need to establish at what level water is entering the boot. It is no good lifting the boot after it has rained. On a car of your age it is reasonable to suspect that the rear window seal has failed. Water leaks are often a two handed job one pouring slow and the other looking.

Re the headlights plenty of info on you tube I favour Brasso and wet and dry paper.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Re water leak, you need to establish at what level water is entering the boot. It is no good lifting the boot after it has rained. On a car of your age it is reasonable to suspect that the rear window seal has failed. Water leaks are often a two handed job one pouring slow and the other looking.

I think mine's in two places as the one nearer the seats appears even when the car is parked on a slope towards the 'front' (rear lights) of the boot. You may be right that it might need a second person to pour the water so I can check the exact ingress point(s).

Re the headlights plenty of info on you tube I favour Brasso and wet and dry paper.

The problem with the likes of Brasso (which is good at removing the oxidation but I don't have) is that you then need to apply a UV protector. The Turtlewax product claims to do both, but am not sure how long term any protection is. Many products appear to 'clean only' and thus the oxidation/cloudy appearance will quickly re-appear after a few weeks.

I don't mind using a product like the Turtlewax one once a year, but only if it actually lasts that long, and not the faff of the sandpaper / polishing / coating kit that in the UK at least ( as usual, our American friends can do this all for a decent price) is not cheap, and may not last much longer unless the person doing the job is good at it. Not easy for me either as it needs a sander/drill (apparently far better than doing it manually), and I live in a flat and only have a powered drill!

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - barney100

Cut Tolley's creeping crack cure has done a fair job on my 2008 V70 screen leak where the water was getting in past the rubber. Is your boot drain hole clear?

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Cut Tolley's creeping crack cure has done a fair job on my 2008 V70 screen leak where the water was getting in past the rubber. Is your boot drain hole clear?

Not that I've checked it, but given the boot line is bunded, the drain is likely to be clear. The water in the boot always evapourates away (over time) anyway. The problem is when I need to put things in the boot after a heavy spell of rain where the water is just on top of the boot liner and would soak into what I'm transporting.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - barney100

Thing is you have to be sure, if the drain is clear the water will go away.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Thing is you have to be sure, if the drain is clear the water will go away.

My point was that the water ends up on the bunded boot liner (its not just a mat) - think of it like a soap dish catching all the dregs from on top. All that happens is that in warm / dry weather, the water that came in when it was raining evaporates off.

If its colder and damper, then it just sits on - or maybe I should say 'in' the 'bowl of the boot liner, moving around within it as I use and park (on slopes) the car. Its how the cardbox box holding the foot pump got so wet.

I've looked under the boot liner and it's never been wet. The boot liner itself is plastic and impervious to water, hence why it just sits on top.

A drain would only clear the water if something weren't sitting on top of it, which is what the boot liner does. The liner does not have a hole in it to match up with the boot drain point (wherever that is) despite it being the specific Mazda one for the saloon model I own. It would've been nice if it did though (and had a plug).

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Andrew-T

Don't know the layout of a Mazda saloon, but rear lamp clusters are common water entry points. My Pug 207 used to let in water via a grommet near the tailgate hinge, which collected in the rear footwell. I don't think the weatherstrip round the boot opening will let in water easily as it should act as a gutter - unless that gutter has a leak near the bottom.

Headlamp unit - I found a recovered lamp for the Pug on E-bay for about £30. It wasn't brand-new, but a used one in good nick would stand out less on a 16-y-o car :-)

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - bazza

Re: headlights, depends how bad they are. I used wet and dry 1000 then 2000 then t cut then autoglym polish for a good finish. Then a simple t cut every few months, 5 mins work. You don't need to spend on a fancy kit.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - bazza

Re: water leaks, had the same on the focus. After sealing every hole I could find underneath the lights and behind the bumper, I traced the general area using water couloured with food dye. I then made a mixture of silicon sealant diluted with 5 parts white spirit, painted this onto every weld and seal, that did the job, some 2 years ago.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - corax

On my 19 year old Avensis, I use T cut on the lamps then anti UV paint sealant. Lasts for most of the year. Best time to do it is autumn when the sun is getting weaker.

I used butyl sealing tape to cure water leaks from both rear lights. It has a consistency like plasticene. I stretched it and formed a continuous bead around both light apertures. It remains pliable so lights can be removed again later if needed.

I had other leaks into the boot - the T25 Avensis is notorious for them. I managed to cure the majority of them with silicon sealant, but punched a small hole on either side of the boot well at the lowest point where it was collecting, just to make sure. There had been water swilling about for years in there previously - no rust though. Modern car bodies are amazing.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

On my 19 year old Avensis, I use T cut on the lamps then anti UV paint sealant. Lasts for most of the year. Best time to do it is autumn when the sun is getting weaker.

I used butyl sealing tape to cure water leaks from both rear lights. It has a consistency like plasticene. I stretched it and formed a continuous bead around both light apertures. It remains pliable so lights can be removed again later if needed.

I had other leaks into the boot - the T25 Avensis is notorious for them. I managed to cure the majority of them with silicon sealant, but punched a small hole on either side of the boot well at the lowest point where it was collecting, just to make sure. There had been water swilling about for years in there previously - no rust though. Modern car bodies are amazing.

Thanks - that's very helpful advice on the lens issue.

I was certainly glad I bought the boot liner accessory just after I bought the car, which effectively has a 'bund' to catch any water and thus prevent any damage below. I only bought it because I wanted to keep the boot floor in good condition, given I was (then) going to building sites etc and thus often had muddy boots and gear to stow.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Don't know the layout of a Mazda saloon, but rear lamp clusters are common water entry points. My Pug 207 used to let in water via a grommet near the tailgate hinge, which collected in the rear footwell. I don't think the weatherstrip round the boot opening will let in water easily as it should act as a gutter - unless that gutter has a leak near the bottom.

Headlamp unit - I found a recovered lamp for the Pug on E-bay for about £30. It wasn't brand-new, but a used one in good nick would stand out less on a 16-y-o car :-)

I don't think that the rear light cluster is the issue as they are quite low down in (say) comparison to a Ford Focus of the same era. I may take some photos to illustrate the issue at hand.

There are lots of (presumably welded and/or glued) metal joints above where the boot lid meets the opening, which is higher than on the hatchback version.

What could happen (in both cases) if one leak isn't down to a failed metal joint is the rear window seal damaged and water finding its way down two paths inside the frame - there are many 'holes' to access the inner frame and wiring of the car in the boot - oddly enough none I've looked at yet appear to show any visible signs of water damage.

I suspect that the cost to fit even a reclaimed (in good nick) headlamp lens or whole cluster fitting would be quite steep. I probably wouldn't feel confident enough to fit it myself.

I was more hoping Backroomers had used either the product I'm thinking of buying or something similar to gauge whether they were reasonably effective and lasted a decent amount of time before needing to use them again. It only costs about £7 for the bottle.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - joegrundy

I've used and continue to use the Turtlewax product. Works well and lasts about 6 months. I went this route to avoid any risk of damaging the plastic. As mentioned above, a quick going over with Autoglym resin polish doesn't do any harm either.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - John F

I have seen toothpaste plus much elbowgrease suggested. Prevention is better than cure so if the car lives outside either try to park in the shade or facing northwards.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - catsdad

For several years our previous 1999 Astra needed an annual manual buff of the headlamps. I just used Turtle Wax safe cut which was kicking around the garage. It wasn’t a specialised lamp product and I never treated them with anything afterwards. The car was kept in full sun on the driveway. Maybe I was lucky but they never got any worse over that time and always shone up well.

If I was doing it again I would go for a specialised liquid or cream product. I am too heavy-handed to trust myself with more abrasive methods but no doubt they work too.
Our 2012 Mazda 3 is showing the first signs of cloudiness so I will be interested to hear how you get on.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Andrew-T

<< I suspect that the cost to fit even a reclaimed (in good nick) headlamp lens or whole cluster fitting would be quite steep. I probably wouldn't feel confident enough to fit it myself. >>

After paying £30 for the lamp I paid Simon in my local bodyshop the same to install it.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - edlithgow

How about clingfilm as a (sacrificial) UV protectant?

My headlights are glass, I think, so seem OK, but the tail lights are getting crazed, and it probably wouldn't be possible to find replacements.

I suppose as a belated attempt to close the stable door I could tape polythene ziploc bags over them and put some actual sunscreen lotion inside them.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

How about clingfilm as a (sacrificial) UV protectant?

I was thinking about that as well- rather like a F1 driver's visor 'tear-offs'.

My headlights are glass, I think, so seem OK, but the tail lights are getting crazed, and it probably wouldn't be possible to find replacements.

I did buy the (cheap) Turtlewax product yesterday and have tried it out this morning. Luckily for me, my car is normally parked with the front end facing away from the sun (most likely the bulk of the damage coming at workplaces) except for a short period around midday when the sun pokes it head from behing the next door flat block.

The damage to my headlamp lenses is mainly on the RH one (with some damage on the side facing that midday sun) and both at the top of the lenses in general where it catches the sun for s short time when parked at home. Oddly enough the rear light clusters (red plastic lenses) are all completely fine despite facing the sun.

Anyhoo, some of the yellowing has been removed, but not the 'crazying' which I presume won't be able to be removed without using the 'sander' technique. I suspected that would be the case. Given the headlamps themselves are of the halogen filament type, I suspect some of the damage is also due to heat as well as from the sun.

I'll see how it fairs over the next few months, possibly applying it again (I didn't use that much of the product) in the early Autumn as Corax said to get more of a longer-term effect.

As regards the leak in the boot, I tried tipping a bucket of water over the back window, and nothing happened. Likely that leaks form when there's constant, reasonably heavy rain over a good few hours rather than a shortish drenching.

Might be worth using a hose next time...then I can get more of an idea of where's the most likely ingress points before applying the sealant (the one I first mentioned).

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Andrew-T

<< As regards the leak in the boot, I tried tipping a bucket of water over the back window, and nothing happened. >>

Might it be anything to do with using the rear-screen washer (i.e. a leak in the supply tube) ?

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

<< As regards the leak in the boot, I tried tipping a bucket of water over the back window, and nothing happened. >>

Might it be anything to do with using the rear-screen washer (i.e. a leak in the supply tube) ?

Nope, as the saloon doesn't have a rear wash - wipe system. Not good for normal use, but one less potential cause of the leak.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Brit_in_Germany

Is there an air outlet port in the boot somewhere?

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Is there an air outlet port in the boot somewhere?

I don't know - but as my car has a bunded, Mazda-fitted boot liner, I'm not so concerned about water soaking the boot carpet and/or causing corrision, more what I've been transporting in the boot on top of the boot line when it is/has been raining hard and for a long period.

Looks like I'll just have to either wait for a decent sustained downpour and check myself (possibly with help), wait until I'm next somewhere with access to a hose, and/or have to shell out £££ for investigative work at my local dealership, if the sealant (after a thorough clean of the possible ingress site) 'solution' doesn't work. Hopefully I'll have enough in that tube!

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Andrew-T

<< Looks like I'll just have to either wait for a decent sustained downpour and check myself (possibly with help), >>

You may have to resort to the old Rolls-Royce pre-delivery check methods: before leaving the factory, each car went for a test drive with a stooge in the luggage area listening for rattles or other signs of a problem ?

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Gibbo_Wirral

I emptied as much as I could out of the boot, took off all plastics then got my dad to spray with a hosepipe.

On my 307 it was the simplest of things - a worn rubber seal on the boot handle.

www.peugeotforums.com/threads/307-boot-leak-fix.20.../

A sheet of 5mm neoprene from Ebay is brilliant for making new gaskets to go around rear light clusters.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Given the immienent lack of rain and very hot weather in East Anglia (if only that was the case when I was on holiday in Cornwall 2-3 weeks ago!), I think a hose pipe test is going to be the best I'm going to get for the next month or more.

I've now got some photos of my 'leaky' boot to upload - where's the best place to do this to link back here?

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - moward

Last time I needed to share some images, I used the following site,

ImgBB — Upload Image — Free Image Hosting

Can set an expiry date as well.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

Here are the links to the photos I've taken.

ibb.co/x2RbX3f
ibb.co/3cZVH77
ibb.co/1GLgffY
ibb.co/4W6rFtg
ibb.co/DkwsGRw
ibb.co/w0jML83

The car is normally parked on a slop facing to the left front of the car, and is possibly why some water that leaks in finds its way to the part of the boot adjoining the seats where the footpump normally resides.

The only know ingress point (I've seen it dripping) is from the point where the arrow on the last photo starts.

Unfortunately the boot structure looks like it has lots of conduits and routs/holes for any water to get from other actual ingress points from outside to the egress point into the boot itself. It could have easily come in via a leaking back window seal and ran don the inside of the metal frame to one or more holes that are in the upper boot, never mind all the welded/glued metal joints holding the boot opening mechanism as shown on the second photo

None of the wiring looked in bad shape though.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - moward

I would suspect the rubber harness sleeve may be the culprit here. They tend to doze with age. Might be worth popping it out and inspecting for any cracks or splits. The following video gives a quick tutorial

07 Mazda 3 Trunk Lid Wiring Harness Water Leak Repair - YouTube

The gentleman here may have been a bit overzealous with the silicone, but if it fixed the leak then who's to argue. Sledgehammers are effective at cracking nuts after all :-P

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

I would suspect the rubber harness sleeve may be the culprit here. They tend to doze with age. Might be worth popping it out and inspecting for any cracks or splits. The following video gives a quick tutorial

07 Mazda 3 Trunk Lid Wiring Harness Water Leak Repair - YouTube

The gentleman here may have been a bit overzealous with the silicone, but if it fixed the leak then who's to argue. Sledgehammers are effective at cracking nuts after all :-P

A-ha! Now that's what I'm talking about! And I even managed to buy an almost identical silicone type sealant! I think I'll test / try this out first. Hopefully it'll do the trick.

Many thanks - I'll let you know how it goes once we have some rain to test it out... :-)

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Xileno

The rubber sleeve would certainly be my first point of attack. On my elderly Focus I've had the odd water leak but managed to track it down. I've found black roof/gutter sealant to be very effective, a bit easier to use than silicone and certainly easier to clean up. The place where the water appears can be some distance from the point of entry but hopefully not in this case. I am enjoying the sunny dry weather, maybe you could test it with a watering can...

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Andrew-T

<< Now that's what I'm talking about! >>

And it's just what I was talking about in my post of last Monday, Andy :-) - a grommet above the tailgate, or in your case the boot-lid.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - Engineer Andy

<< Now that's what I'm talking about! >>

And it's just what I was talking about in my post of last Monday, Andy :-) - a grommet above the tailgate, or in your case the boot-lid.

True, though I probably missed it because you were referring to the light cluster (admitedly close by), the Ford Focus reference and wash-wipe systems, which are one of a few large differences to its related Mazda3. It could be that a leak in the grommet on the LHS runs towards the front of the car a bit before dropping via the point I indicated onto the boot liner.

Still, a good spot on your part, and thanks. Hopefully this will be the only source of the leak(s). It could be that the water runs across the plastic boot liner to wet other parts of it, given the car is on a (small) slope in two directions.

Car boot leak and restoring headlamp lenses - edlithgow

Tried clingfilm on front turn indicators (which were pretty far gone on one side, with wiring connectors crumbling also) and one rear light cluster. Didn;t make a very neat job and I wonder how long it'll last.

I bought this clingfilm a couple of years ago as first aid to a split CV boot, in which role it seemed effective. Maybe newer or bigger film would "cling" better

The other rear light cluster I wrapped in polythene sheet, which gave better coverage but several thicknesses were rather opaque, so I'll probably take it off again in case of cop curiosity.

I now think taping something outside the lights is perhaps a better and easier approach and will prob ably try that next.

Meanwhile I now have a couple of indicator circuits that no longer seem to be working.