That's a very good mpg figure. Is that your brim-to-brim calculation or does it have a computer? If so, what figure does it give if you record >1000 miles of general use?

Let me address the points/ questions.

Skidpan, I know from your posts on the forum that you've always highly rated the TSI engines. Having driven a car with this engine for the past 20,000 miles I see why you like them.

That's a very good mpg figure. Is that your brim-to-brim calculation or does it have a computer? If so, what figure does it give if you record >1000 miles of general use?

When I've checked the computer with the brimming method, it's been spot on. I don't however keep a log of fuel use.

My long term reading on the computer for the last 2243 miles is 50.6 mpg. It's my long commute, not exceeding 60 mph, at a pretty steady speed which helps my figure.

however I've found the tsi engine is much more sensitive to load and how you drive etc.

Absolutely. On a couple of very rare occasions when I've been forced to drive at 40 - 45 mph (in a queue of heavy traffic) for my entire commute, I've managed 65 mpg (good weather, not too warm, air con off, windows shut etc). On the other hand if I drive at 70 mph my mpg is certainly below 50. Driving conditions and driving style make a huge difference.

These mpg figures are acceptable, but you'd do better with a Honda.

Seems unlikely. Previous car was a Yaris 1.5 with the atkinson cycle engine (I believe the 1.3 engine in the Jazz is also an atkinson cycle engine). The Yaris mpg matched the Ibiza TSI mpg in the same driving conditions. The TSI is also substantially quicker off the mark. I know the Jazz is a very practicable car, but it didn't appeal to me.

It's a 1.4 and only just has enough power, I would imagine the 1.2 would struggle at times. At motorway speeds it's a bit revvy as well - 3500rpm @70mph

The TSI is certainly low revving in top gear (irrespective of whether it's a 5 or 6 speed box). Very relaxed cruising.

I wasn't meaning for this thread to be dominated by mpg. I was wanting to say that apart from a couple of points, I really like and rate this car.

Car now done 31,000 miles and 25 months old.

Nothing much has changed since the opening post (at 20,000 miles). Car still drives well and has plenty of get up and go.

Would still really criticise SEAT for not installing a courtesy light for the rear seats. When it's dark, no light escapes from the front light unit into the rear of the car at all. What makes it really annoying is that SEAT have fitted a fancy twin courtesy light (with 4 switches) in the front of the car (as well as footwell and front door card lighting). They could have saved money and fitted standard courtesy lights to the front and rear of the car, and omitted the door and footwell lighting. This would make the car so much easier to live with. At night when I open the rear passenger doors I can't see if I've left anything on the rear seat or the rear footwells. It really is that bad.

Single rear reversing light is useless for seeing with at night. Recent cars I've had with excellent twin reversing lights are a 2012 Fiesta and a 2019 Yaris

Don't know how SEAT managed to get the above issues so badly wrong. Did they never test the car at night!

The Michelin Cross Climate+ tyres, I had fitted when the car was new, are now producing a droning noise. They were quiet when the car was new. Have had this issue with All Season and Winter Tyres (with directional treads) on previous cars. There is still a bit of life left in them yet, although the front tyres will need replaced before the next service.

Otherwise the car is all good.

However, now onto the dealer. At it's last service they said the brakes were 60% worn and the discs were lipped! At its 20,000 mile service, they said there was no wear to the brakes! This car has had the same driver and been driven in the same manner and on the same roads all of it's life. I'm not a hard driver.

They also said one of the tyres was cut and needed replaced. Once I got home I checked the tyres myself (had a very small cut, no cords showing), I check them regularly, and was still satisfied with the condition of them.

I'm very fussy about the condition of my tyres and brakes. However I felt they were trying to totally con me here. In any case, don't see that lipped brake discs are an issue. The issue is the thickness of the area the pad is in contact with.

I did my own basic car maintenance (oil changes, filters, water pumps, brakes discs, brake pads, starter motors, alternators, springs & exhausts) for 35 years so have a pretty good idea when a dealer is spouting bull.

The problem being the car has a 5 year warranty, so the car needs to be serviced there to keep the warranty (no other local SEAT dealer and I don't trust the next nearest one either). Will need to check and measure the thickness of the discs and pads before the next service, so I know myself before it goes in whether they need done or not.

The good thing with running a car out of warranty is that you can use an Indie you trust. Main dealers seem to be universally appalling!