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What to choose for long motorway trips? - Grenache

Hello everyone

I’m looking for a replacement car, and hope you might be able to help with some recommendations.

Reliability and lifetime ownership costs are top of the list.

I do about 35,000 miles annually, mainly motorway or A roads, and an average trip would be 250+ miles each way.

I’ve been dividing my mileage between two cars, my main car is a Mazda 6 diesel with the 2.2ltr 163ps engine, year 2012. I’ve had this one since new but it’s now at 157,000 miles and showing its age. The second car was a 2001 Peugeot 206 2.0 diesel HDi which I owned from new, and covered 100,000 miles before it succumbed to the ‘corrosion virus’ so we had to scrap it last year.

I tend to keep my cars running for many years, the best ever was a diesel 2.0 Vectra which I ran to 212k miles then gave it to a family member.

So, what would you recommend? I’m thinking of spending £8000 - £10000 on a used car, and it needs to be reliable, reasonable running and servicing costs and sufficiently powered and comfortable for motorway driving.

I've had a look at the Renault Captur, would you recommend it?

Thanks

What to choose for long motorway trips? - barney100

I'd look at the Volvo diesel range, or maybe a Mercedes C class diesel. You get don't have a timing belt with the Merc diesels so that's a bonus. A good indie keeps the costs down and they can do huge mileages in comfort.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - badbusdriver

I'd look at the Volvo diesel range, or maybe a Mercedes C class diesel. You get don't have a timing belt with the Merc diesels so that's a bonus. A good indie keeps the costs down and they can do huge mileages in comfort.

Think the OP should decide roughly what size power and age of car is wanted first. We have this thread from 23.12 asking what car for long motorway journeys, then, inexplicably, 2 mins later another separate thread asking whether to get a 5 or 6 speed Captur.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - chris87
For your distances, what’s wrong with a newer Mazda 6?
What to choose for long motorway trips? - SLO76
For your distances, what’s wrong with a newer Mazda 6?

The appalling reliability of the later 2.2 Skyactiv diesels for one.
What to choose for long motorway trips? - chris87
What problems? We’re talking daily trips up around 250 miles, 0 issues there!

PS: all diesels have problems if driven to school/shop and back, regardless of make.

Edited by chris87 on 14/03/2021 at 14:48

What to choose for long motorway trips? - Engineer Andy
What problems? We’re talking daily trips up around 250 miles, 0 issues there! PS: all diesels have problems if driven to school/shop and back, regardless of make.

The problem the OP would have is that buying a second hand modern diesel car would mean they are unlikely guarantee the previous owner did not use the car for repeated short journeys.

The only way to do so was for the car to have just one previous owner who did almost all longer trips, and to personally know that owner to trust their word. Otheriwse its just a guess, even if the car looks fine and has a full service history.

The well-known problems of the Mazda 2.2TD seem to be worse - admitedly to varying degrees - than most of their rivals' equivalents. It wouldn't be just the case of of getting the DPF checked and cleared.

Sometimes the best thing to do is stick with your existing car - that you've owned for a number of years and you know very well, and run it into the ground. If the newer cars had all been of the reliability/longevity of the pre-DPF diesels, then I'd recommend one straight off, given their usage requirements.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - SLO76
What problems? We’re talking daily trips up around 250 miles, 0 issues there! PS: all diesels have problems if driven to school/shop and back, regardless of make.

Spend ten minutes googling Mazda 2.2 skyactive-D engine failures and you’ll understand. This isn’t a robust engine and is very much disliked in the trade.
What to choose for long motorway trips? - Grenache

The newer Mazda 6 only comes as a saloon or estate and I have a preference for a hatchback, much more practical.

It's also a long car which is a pain for parking in town and for my employers rather small multi-storey car park.

I'm intending to keep the Mazda anyway as a second car and would probably look for a smaller one to do my main commutiing

What to choose for long motorway trips? - craig-pd130

That sort of mileage is ideal for a diesel so you shouldn't experience DPF problems.

For a roomy, comfortable and reliable motorway car, Mondeos are very good, ideally the 163bhp 2.0 version if you can. They're not quite as economical as some big diesel barges - the one I had would give about 47 to 48mpg on a long motorway run - but the ride and handling is very good. Cambelt change intervals are 8 years / 100K miles so servicing is quite cheap

Leftfield choice is a Volvo S60 or V60 with the older 2.0 or 2.4 5-cylinder diesel. These are a very nice drive and the engine is bulletproof, unlike the later 2.0 4-cylinder diesel which had had lots of niggly problems. The 5-cylinder motors have plenty of muscle for A-road and motorway driving, and have excellent seating.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - SLO76
“ Leftfield choice is a Volvo S60 or V60 with the older 2.0 or 2.4 5-cylinder diesel. These are a very nice drive and the engine is bulletproof”

While I do like Volvo’s and I agree with you that the 5cyl models are better than the later diesels they can be cripplingly expensive to repair. I was watching a Car Throttle video on YouTube last night where they bought an old Volvo V70 then took it to a specialist to assess and price up repairs and you’d be horrified by the parts prices he lists. The car which was still functional and solid was a complete write-off as a result, even if they limited the repairs to the basic safety requirements.
What to choose for long motorway trips? - SLO76
The Captur isn’t what I’d pick for this sort of usage although the 1.5 dci can do heavy mileages the rest of the car is prone to the usual trim and electrical glitches you’ll see on most Renaults and modern Nissan’s as they age.

At this money I’d be hunting for a good Honda Civic 1.6 DTEC. These are very robust, perform well and offer genuine 70mog economy. It’s worth paying a bit more for a good low miler with a full Honda history but there’s nothing to beat it for high mileage use under £10,000.
What to choose for long motorway trips? - Big John

For reasonable "bang four your buck" consider a Skoda Superb - very refined and comfortable. A fantastic motorway car. I've had two since 2005 to help improve a long horrible commute and cope well with cross Europe driving. I also tend to keep them a long while - owned my first one for 10 years after buying at 18 months old. Got my second in 2015 at 14 months old - still going strong.

For me, if doing lots of long motorway driving I'd avoid smaller SUV's - Most I've driven seem more sensitive to side winds.

Edited by Big John on 14/03/2021 at 12:24

What to choose for long motorway trips? - daveyjp

For motorway miles traditional large saloons/hatchbacks i.e. Mondeo, Superb, i40 and something which may give more for your budget the Pug 508, with sensible profile tyres.

They are longer so give a good ride and being lower aren't affected by crosswinds.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - Big John

with sensible profile tyres.

Very good point - when doing high miles/year this can become a significant cost if you get this wrong. Ultra low profile tyres don't usually last very long and can cost a fortune.

I have poverty profile 205/55 R16 Michelin Crossclimates at the moment on my Superb. Typically I've been getting 35k miles out of a set. Ride quality is generally better as well with higher profile tyres.

Edited by Big John on 14/03/2021 at 20:03

What to choose for long motorway trips? - Engineer Andy

with sensible profile tyres.

Very good point - when doing high miles/year this can become a significant cost if you get this wrong. Ultra low profile tyres don't last very long and can cost a fortune.

I have poverty profile 205/55 R16 Michelin Crossclimates at the moment on my Superb. Typically I've been getting 35k miles out of a set. Ride quality is better as well with higher profile tyres.

Plus the combo of low profile tyres and big alloy wheels are far more susceptible to kerbing and pothole damage, including wheel deformations, which can lead to either (more frequent) annoying punctures and (expensive) repairs/replacements or even blowouts on faster roads, which is very dangerous.

I can vouch for the better ride quality, having changed my wheels and tyres on my normally firmish riding Mazda3 from the OEM 205/55 R16 to compatible 195/65 R15 (CC+). It also takes more of the load off the suspension parts, which means they last longer as well, and the narrower tyres mean you get slightly better mpg.

TBH I only changed because the price difference in the alloys (nearly half as much for the OEM style) and tyres (about 25-30% cheaper) and both needed changing due to age/condition. Even more so if you compare standard (popular) sizes like both the 195/65 R15 or 205/55 R16 with those that are wider 18in ones - often half to a third of the price.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - Grenache

Thanks everyone for the sugestions.

I intend to keep the Mazda and run it till no longer economical to repair, and look for a second car so that my mileage is split between the two.

I'll have a look at the Skoda and Honda suggestions.

Thanks also for mentioing the low-profile tyres, I'm not a great fan of them.

What to choose for long motorway trips? - apdleam
Citroen DS4 2.0 150 well worth a look as a motorway car. I ran one for five years and loved it. Quiet at speed, good seats and creature comforts. 50mpg on average, with a heavy right foot. Reliable (but Bluetooth could be glitchy). Wasn't impressed by the dealerships but the car itself was good. Otherwise Insignia B 2.0l 170 diesels might be worth a look with the AGR seats, although even the hatch is a long car.