FZS1000 - Section 59

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Mon 8 Mar 2021 20:03
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Fazer guy

Hi.

I recently got a section 59 letter from the police stating I have been riding in a careless or inconsiderate manner. I've never been stopped by the police before but this letter threatens to seize my vehicle. I'm not aware of any occasions where I have been careless or inconsiderate. Is there any way I can get this removed as I feel its unfair to issue me with this without anyone stopping me? Also I'm worried my bike may have been cloned. Please help

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Mon 8 Mar 2021 20:44
FZS1000 - Section 59 - _

So, Go and ask about it, who what, when, where, Politely of course. and if claims to be your vehicle, bike I assume, from your choice of words) and if you feel it wasn't you, go and report that you think your bike has been cloned.

Was the alleged offence in your area?

Have you perhaps done a wheelie, even inadvertently and some kind soul has reported you.

I recemtly turned left and left into a car park and a person told me in Police speak that I had failed to indicate ..I thanked him politely.. was he an off duty plod.???

Alternatively sell the bike and get another with a different registration.

Edited by _ORB_ on 08/03/2021 at 20:45

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Mon 8 Mar 2021 22:32
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Bromptonaut

What ORB says;

Ask them to explain why they've sent you the notice. Use that information to either contest the notice or, if it might be justified, modify your riding style.

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Tue 9 Mar 2021 19:20
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Brit_in_Germany

Maybe someone has sent in a dashcam video.

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Wed 10 Mar 2021 10:29
FZS1000 - Section 59 - jc2

So, Go and ask about it, who what, when, where, Politely of course. and if claims to be your vehicle, bike I assume, from your choice of words) and if you feel it wasn't you, go and report that you think your bike has been cloned.

Was the alleged offence in your area?

Have you perhaps done a wheelie, even inadvertently and some kind soul has reported you.

I recemtly turned left and left into a car park and a person told me in Police speak that I had failed to indicate ..I thanked him politely.. was he an off duty plod.???

Alternatively sell the bike and get another with a different registration.

Whilst doing a police driving course,a senior police driving instructor told me to only indicate if someone could benefit from your signal.
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Wed 10 Mar 2021 12:57
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Bromptonaut

Whilst doing a police driving course,a senior police driving instructor told me to only indicate if someone could benefit from your signal.

And if there's somebody who might benefit but you've not seen them?

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Wed 10 Mar 2021 15:21
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Gerry Sanderson

I was told this B on my police advanced course (Pass Class 1)

Only signal if there is someone that will benefit. The idea being that you always check/ consider a signal as opposed to automatically slapping one in without reason.

As an OAP to check if my driving had deteriorated I took an hours test through LA Drive Safe initiative (Pass Flying Colours) and tester told me I would have failed at ordinary test with this protocol.

dvd

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Wed 10 Mar 2021 17:08
FZS1000 - Section 59 - FP

I've heard this stuff about not signalling unless it's necessary before and I'm unimpressed. It means the driver must carry out a relatively complex observation plus decision-making process which is potentially distracting.

If you signal habitually it's just simpler.

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Wed 10 Mar 2021 17:55
FZS1000 - Section 59 - RT

IAM RoadSmart also advise to only signal if another road user will benefit - unsurprising as their procedures were originally based on police advanced driving courses, less the pursuit sections!

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Wed 10 Mar 2021 22:49
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Bromptonaut

IAM RoadSmart also advise to only signal if another road user will benefit - unsurprising as their procedures were originally based on police advanced driving courses, less the pursuit sections!

It's one thing to say, in the context of narrating for advanced driving and on a one off basis, that you'll not signal as you see nobody who'd benefit. That's about proving your observation to the examiner.

Another thing altogether to decide not to signal at all every time you think there's nobody.

In latter case you WILL be caught out eventually by your own lack of observation; even if it's a pedestrian who'd welcome you're indicating to turn into the side road he want's to cross.

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Thu 11 Mar 2021 22:38
FZS1000 - Section 59 - focussed

"In latter case you WILL be caught out eventually by your own lack of observation; even if it's a pedestrian who'd welcome you're indicating to turn into the side road he want's to cross"

Signalling by rote is never a good idea "just in case" it breeds the thinking that "I've signalled so I must be safe" - ie encouraging driving on autopilot.

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Fri 12 Mar 2021 09:27
FZS1000 - Section 59 - jc2

Whilst doing a police driving course,a senior police driving instructor told me to only indicate if someone could benefit from your signal.

And if there's somebody who might benefit but you've not seen them?

If you are driving correctly,you WOULD have seen them|

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Mon 15 Mar 2021 15:53
FZS1000 - Section 59 - concrete

I too was taught to signal if it would benefit another road user, I include pedestrians in that. It was the old mantra of 'Mirror, Signal, Manoeuvre" Ergo you should easily see what is ahead, the mirror shows what is behind and you signal accordingly. No hard and fast rule just exercising judgment based on information assimilated. If you miss seeing something then you are not driving with due care and attention. Can't really see the point of signalling if you have ascertained that no-one will benefit from it. Surely it is simply a judgement call. We all make plenty of them, some subconsciously, every day.

As for the OP. I would ask the question and ask for a look at any evidence on which they have relied to issue this warning.

Cheers Concrete

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Mon 15 Mar 2021 19:31
FZS1000 - Section 59 - Brit_in_Germany

Nowadays a benefit might be to direct the headlights in the direction you will be turning.

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