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I own a 2014 jazz cvt. Excellent car, can certainly carry a bicycle inside. A bike rack might be forbidden on the mk2 jazz though. Check the handbook if this is important.
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I own a 2014 jazz cvt. Excellent car, can certainly carry a bicycle inside. A bike rack might be forbidden on the mk2 jazz though. Check the handbook if this is important.
The OP is looking at a 3rd gen Jazz, not a 2nd gen.
Also, 'forbidden' is an odd choice of word, surely a bike rack is either legal to use on a car or not?. And why would it not be, if a tow bar is available for a Jazz (they are, I've seen them), the only reason you wouldn't be able to mount a bike rack on it would be if it exceeded the weight limit for said tow bar. I can't see that happening unless the bike or bikes being carried are very heavy!. Looking on a website which sells bike racks, there are three different types listed as being available for both the 2nd and 3rd gen Jazz, tow bar mounted, tailgate mounted and roof mounted, though obviously with the first and last types, you will need a tow bar or roof bars.
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Probably the Jazz. Why such a restrictive list though? I would have a Fiesta ahead of either the Polo or MINI, provided it's the excellent 1.25 Yamaha engine.
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Hey @skidpan, a couple of recent articles suggest it is okay:
www.whatcar.com/news/can-i-still-buy-a-car-during-...0
news.motors.co.uk/visiting-a-dealership-during-cor.../
*fingers crossed*
Just had a read and it seems that it is possibly the opinion of solicitors (would they defend yo for free if you were taken to court and pay your fine in convicted?) and there are conditions attached.
You have to pay a deposit before the test drive and whilst that should be refundable how long would the garage take to process the refund, bet it would be instant. And one of the articles suggest that you would need to insure the car yourself which would be a major expense, short term insurance is not cheap and if you transfer the insurance form your own car would temporarily be left uninsured and you would be paying 2 admin fees.
Just wait until late March/early April for the new rules to take effect. Surely you are not that desperate to risk flouting the rules.
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Wasn't it the 2nd gen your Dad had?,
Dads car was indeed the update model that supposedly had a better ride, interior etc, god help the originals.
Over the 5 years he owned it totally reliable and spares were not that bad. In truth he only needed a door mirror (broken off in car park) and for a electric adjust, electric heated fitted by Honda dealer it was under £200. No cost to paint, they came done to the correct colour saving a visit to the body shop.
It simply had to go when mum found getting in and out far to difficult. We suggested a Micra (she found ours fine) but initially she resisted since she found the doors too big (our was a 3 door), once she had tried a 5 door she was happy. The ride on that car was way better, it was quieter, it was a bit quicker but just a bit smaller.
Since the Fabia is way better than the Micra (which was better than the Jazz) its hard to see how a Jazz is the best car, unless of course the latest Jazz is far better. But since the OP's budget will only stretch to a 2014 car that is not the case.
Fabia has been a WhatCar 5* car for years winning its class many times. The Jazz has long been an owners favourite but its not really been a class leader.
The OP need to drive both (when its legal to do so) and decide for themselves.
For the record we looked at the latest Jazz when we bought the Fabia. To get one with similar performance and kit would have cost us about £8000 more and they don't have the magic seats now.
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Wasn't it the 2nd gen your Dad had?,
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For the record we looked at the latest Jazz when we bought the Fabia. To get one with similar performance and kit would have cost us about £8000 more and they don't have the magic seats now.
"Four six-foot tall adults can sit comfortably inside the Jazz, which boasts class-leading rear legroom according to Honda. Headroom is generous too, and the Jazz still features its famous 'Magic Seats', where the bases flip-up like cinema seats, providing a tall and uninterrupted loading space behind the front seats."
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It's the latest Civic that doesn't have the magic seats any more.
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In his opening words the OP said his budget wa between £6k and £8k so skiidpan's observation that "For the record we looked at the latest Jazz when we bought the Fabia. To get one with similar performance and kit would have cost us about £8000 more and they don't have the magic seats now". isn't particularly relevant cozthe OP isn't going to get anything brand new in his budget..
And offering an opinion is one thing but stating as a fact that "they don't have the magic seats now" is just plain wrong.
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"Four six-foot tall adults can sit comfortably inside the Jazz, which boasts class-leading rear legroom according to Honda. Headroom is generous too, and the Jazz still features its famous 'Magic Seats', where the bases flip-up like cinema seats, providing a tall and uninterrupted loading space behind the front seats."
4 adults can sit comfortably in the Fabia as well. I am 5'9" and with the driving seat in my position I have adequate leg room in the rear to sit very comfortably.
The Jazz we looked at was 3 years ago, its a new model now. That may have the magic seats, pretty sure the one we were shown didn't. It did have plenty of space in the car but when you fitted a spare boot space was lost. In the Fabia a full size spare fits under the floor with no loss of space. I am pretty sure with a spare (which I admit not everyone wants) the Fabia has a bigger boot.
But the simple fact was that the Jazz was never worth the £8k premium unless you were a driver who valued a Honda badge over common sense.
In his opening words the OP said his budget wa between £6k and £8k so skiidpan's observation that "For the record we looked at the latest Jazz when we bought the Fabia. To get one with similar performance and kit would have cost us about £8000 more and they don't have the magic seats now". isn't particularly relevant cozthe OP isn't going to get anything brand new in his budget.
Correct but my point was the car we bought 3 years ago would now be in the OPs up to £8k budget but the Jazz that we looked at (£8k more) would still be well out of the OP's budget.
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The Jazz Mk2 User Guide states 'A normal bike rack must not be fitted to the tailgate.'
It can carry up to 55Kg (45Kg with glass roof) on a roof rack.
You could fit a tow bracket to a manual jazz (the cvt is not designed for towing) and mount up to 95Kg - but the jazz is not a good tow car and you are very unlikely to find one with a tow bar, and I would not want a jazz that had a tow bar fitted.
Most Honda Fits will have the 1.5L engine which is maybe why they have a younger following in other markets.
Personally, I find there is plenty of space inside the jazz for my cycle
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Whilst out walking this afternoon had another couple of thoughts. When the Mrs needed a new car back in 2015 she wanted another MPV style car since she had liked her C-Max but nothing as big this time. First we looked at was the Kia Venga but the passenger seat was way too high for her mother to get onto so that was out. The Jazz was also out since the seat base slopes down to the rear making getting out difficult. So we looked at the Nissan Note having been very happy with Nissans in the past. Bingo, ticked all the boxes. We bought a 1.2 DIG-S and she loved it, that was until as infirmity made it very difficult for her mother to get in and out of it which is why we bought the Fabia, height adjust passenger seat. The Note was a really spacious car and well equipped. Worth a look.
Then in a small garage I spotted an 18 plate Suzuki Baleno. Same size as a Fabia, 1250cc petrol and if its typical Suzuki it will just keep going. This one has a full dealer service history and only 7200 miles on the clock. Less than your budget at under £7000. You don't see that many of these though.
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Dads car was indeed the update model that supposedly had a better ride, interior etc, god help the originals.
The point is you are giving an opinion on how the 3rd gen Jazz drives without having driven one. How your Dad's one drove and how the seats were is irrelevant as it was a 2nd gen.
The Jazz we looked at was 3 years ago, its a new model now. That may have the magic seats, pretty sure the one we were shown didn't.
All Jazz models from the first to the current 4th gen (hybrid only) have the magic seats.
For the OP, I realise it is a bit late now, but whether or not the Jazz is best in class depends on what you want out of the car, what your expectations are, and what you plan to do with it. We got the Jazz when we did because it ticked all the boxes I wanted ticking. The Yaris would also have ticked them, but it had a smaller boot and no magic seats.
I keep going back to your Mini option though. Not because I rate them, because as said, I very much don't. But because the inclusion of it suggests that practicality and space maybe isn't as important a factor as some are thinking. To that end (depending on how you got on with your test drives today), I'd suggest looking at the Mazda 2. This is a much more 'driver focussed' car, like the Mini, it is certainly less practical and spacious than the Jazz, but more so than the Mini. It rides and handles really well, they are very reliable, (imo) they are a really nice looking car, and not that common.
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The Mazda 2 could well be an option for the OP - one that is often forgotten, as is the Suzuki Baleno which never sold very well, perhaps through a lack of any obvious USP.
Carconundrum say that s/he needs the car for mini-breaks and camping trips. The Mini wouldn't be much use for that unless only one or two people are on the trip.
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The Jazz 2015- 2020 has magic seats and can take a full size spare wheel without compromising the boot.
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I seem to remember reading that the Jazz is a prime target for catalytic converter theft, as such I would avoid this car. If ever my owned from new 14yr old Kia Rio expires I would be looking at Fiat Panda / Suzuki Swift / Kia Picanto / Toyota Yaris.
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Catalyst converter theft on the Jazz affected the very first Jazz, no issues on anything built since 2008.
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Catalyst converter theft on the Jazz affected the very first Jazz, no issues on anything built since 2008.
they fitted an undertray to cut down on theft on 2008 Jazz and Accord, and 2015 models fitted under the bonnet close to manifold to make them harder to get to....
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Catalyst converter theft on the Jazz affected the very first Jazz, no issues on anything built since 2008.
they fitted an undertray to cut down on theft on 2008 Jazz and Accord, and 2015 models fitted under the bonnet close to manifold to make them harder to get to..
Many thanks for the update & I stand corrected! Actually really good to learn that Honda are on the ball with responding to this issue.
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Catalyst converter theft on the Jazz affected the very first Jazz, no issues on anything built since 2008.
they fitted an undertray to cut down on theft on 2008 Jazz and Accord, and 2015 models fitted under the bonnet close to manifold to make them harder to get to....
It would take more than 2 minutes to steel teh cat on my 2012 Mark2 Jazz.
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