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Difficult one that, better service at the indie, better residuals with the main dealer.. I have been bitten by so called 'specialists' so sometimes even the middle-route doesnt work. Alot of them are ex-main dealer and I find some have taken all the bad bits of the main dealer without the 'free' coffee, snacks and long-legged receptionist...
Is it not a relatively recent purchase from the Volvo main dealer? And wasn't part of the reason you chose it because it has FMDSH? I I would just keep that going and do an interim oil change if they don't bother. If something goes pop you stand a higher chance of goodwill. But you know all this!
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Difficult one that, better service at the indie, better residuals with the main dealer.. I have been bitten by so called 'specialists' so sometimes even the middle-route doesnt work. Alot of them are ex-main dealer and I find some have taken all the bad bits of the main dealer without the 'free' coffee, snacks and long-legged receptionist...
Is it not a relatively recent purchase from the Volvo main dealer? And wasn't part of the reason you chose it because it has FMDSH? I I would just keep that going and do an interim oil change if they don't bother. If something goes pop you stand a higher chance of goodwill. But you know all this!
I probably will but with long term ownership in mind depreciation will be minimal with a non dealer history and the indi I use has a good reputation. He will do dealer level servicing using manufacturer parts too and yet still offer a worthwhile saving. He’s one of the rare decent ones and there's often other complex heavy metal sitting on his ramps. The only thing I don’t like is the lack of nearby parking and your car is left on the tight street narrowly dodging being taken out by a constant procession of trucks and buses. Sadly there are no nearby Volvo specialists though we are inundated with decent VAG, Mini and BMW specialists.
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When I had the 1 series as usual with BMW it was flexible services which for me was every 2 years. But I wanted an annual oil change after 34 years of doing exactly that (it was 6 months on the cars I owned until the 1986 Golf). Simply bought a Pela (6000 I think) and 5 litres of BMWLL04 0w30 spec oil (not hard to find), sucked out the old and refilled. I had found previously that the car needed about 4 miles driving to heat the oil up sufficiently for it to flow up the pipe but in truth the drive probably took longer than the oil change.
Right or wrong I did not change the filter, just the oil. Those 3 oil changes probably cost about the same as Kia want for one.
The Pela is also handy when you own a Kia since many on the Forum (including myself) find that at every service the car is overfilled. The book for a 1.6 CRDi quotes 5.3 litres but that is for a total fill for a new engine including filter. Come service time its impossible to drain out all the oil however long it stands with the plug out. So since the dealers blindly pour in the 5.3 litres (and charge you about £65 for the oil alone) it ends up about 1/2" above the max line. Took ours back and despite showing him the handbook that said do not fill above max they insisted it was fine. When I got home I sucked out about .3 of a litre which took it to the full line. For the second and subsequent services with the agreement of the dealer I put a 5 litre container of Kai approved C3 oil (Total MC3 5w30) in the footwell which they happily used but they always wrote on the invoice that insufficient oil had been used and it needed a top up. After each service I checked as per the manual (warm engine, level ground, stand for about 5 minutes) and it was always spot on. Never added any oil then or at any time between services, the level never changed.
So beware of the Kia garage numpties, they don't have a clue.
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The difference in value at the trade level of a used car with main dealer or indie servicing is nil once it is a few years old.
It can make a difference on a <3 year old or so car or something a bit specialist or maybe if you are selling privately but if you pitch up with a 7 year old mainstream car to px they probably won't even look at the service book let alone note who did the services.
Edited by pd on 13/01/2021 at 09:24
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If I hadn't topped up the screenwash the first service on our Peugeot 2008 would have been over £200. Oil capacity 3.5 litres. They did wash the car.
Thankfully this will be its last garage service as the warranty is only for two years. Long warranties are basically a moneymaker committing the conscientious buyer to several years of 'services', mounting up to possibly a four figure sum. The chances of something expensive going wrong in a new modern car's warranty period doing only a few thousand miles a year are vanishingly small. Thank goodness I haven't paid for an annual service for our three cars for over thirty years. Saved enough to buy a decent car!
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If I hadn't topped up the screenwash the first service on our Peugeot 2008 would have been over £200. Oil capacity 3.5 litres. They did wash the car.
Thankfully this will be its last garage service as the warranty is only for two years. Long warranties are basically a moneymaker committing the conscientious buyer to several years of 'services', mounting up to possibly a four figure sum. The chances of something expensive going wrong in a new modern car's warranty period doing only a few thousand miles a year are vanishingly small. Thank goodness I haven't paid for an annual service for our three cars for over thirty years. Saved enough to buy a decent car!
The chance/risk of needing a warranty repair may be low but the ever-increasing complexity of modern cars means a hefty repair bill if occurs - not much gets done under £1,000 these days.
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My annual oil and filter changes cost me the princely sum of £15 and an hour per car.
I run sheds and maintain them myself. Youngest car 15 years old and oldest 29 years. Both take 5W30 so, I just buy 20l drum every couple of years.
It's stories like those above that made me go down on this avenue.
Edited by Moodyman on 13/01/2021 at 14:42
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Kia say that I don't need an oil change till 20.000 miles.
The bit that shocks me is that the inspection is free, part of the service plan. Nominally £89.95
If I had the equivalent oil change service it would be £159. So why £140 EXTRA?
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Thankfully this will be its last garage service as the warranty is only for two years.
You need to read your documents. The Peugeot warranty on a new car is 3 years. During the first 2 years the mileage limit is 100,000 but in year 3 this drops to 60,000 miles. Thus if you do more than 60,000 miles in the first 2 years it is indeed a 2 year warranty.
But don't think what some thicko Kia owners were doing some time ago. The Kia warranty is unlimited for the first 3 years but limited to 100,000 after that. The thicko's interpreted that as meaning you could do as many miles as you wanted in the first 3 years and then get another 100,000 to cover you for the next 4 years. Kia Customer services could not get the facts through their thick skulls.
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skidpan - are you trying to the takeover from where collos25 (finally) left off on trying to be as obnoxious as possible on your posts?
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skidpan - are you trying to the takeover from where collos25 (finally) left off on trying to be as obnoxious as possible on your posts?
Please detail what is obnoxious about my post. Merely pointing out how stupid people can be without even trying.
A bit like those who go like the clappers between cameras in an average speed zone and then brake for the cameras.
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skidpan - are you trying to the takeover from where collos25 (finally) left off on trying to be as obnoxious as possible on your posts?
Skidpan - by now we all know you regard many other humans as mentally defective, but why can you not resist the urge to keep telling everyone ? Doh.
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skidpan - are you trying to the takeover from where collos25 (finally) left off on trying to be as obnoxious as possible on your posts?
Skidpan - by now we all know you regard many other humans as mentally defective, but why can you not resist the urge to keep telling everyone ? Doh.
Skidpan isn't putting it as tactfully as you or I would, but (in my opinion) he is telling it as it is.
If anyone offends your sensibilities, don't respond, or at least let it go after one comment.
Skidpan, In my previous life in the trade I saw plenty of examples of people who "thought/believed£ that the warranty restarted completely after a repair under warranty.
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Skidpan, In my previous life in the trade I saw plenty of examples of people who "thought/believed£ that the warranty restarted completely after a repair under warranty
Not unreasonable to some perhaps. Say you had a new gearbox with 3 months left on the warranty and it went bang just after the warranty, you would expect a new gearbox to last a lot longer! Perhaps better communication by the motor trade on warranties would be a good start as reading some of the examples above are as clear as mud.
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Yes, especially as when buying parts as a private customer, from JLR for example, there's a 12 month warranty on the part. I have never attempted or needed to claim but I can see the logic of the example given by Sammy1
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Yes, especially as when buying parts as a private customer, from JLR for example, there's a 12 month warranty on the part. I have never attempted or needed to claim but I can see the logic of the example given by Sammy1
The jaguar parts warranty is for parts paid for by the customer.
A warranty repair has never extended the original vehicle warrant.
Yes at times there was some leeway, but not often.
I dealt with some of the claims too.
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Yes I gathered that, sorry didn't make it very clear.
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Say you had a new gearbox with 3 months left on the warranty and it went bang just after the warranty, you would expect a new gearbox to last a lot longer! Perhaps better communication by the motor trade on warranties would be a good start as reading some of the examples above are as clear as mud.
If people took the time to read the T & C's they would see what the facts were. Over the years I have had very few warranty claims but one opened my eyes to how warranties work.
Our 118D went in for its first MOT at 2 years and 363 days old. No service needed just the MOT but I asked them to check the stop/start since it had not worked since November. This was not exceptional, same had happened in the cold weather the previous years but February leading up to the MOT had been mild and I had expected it to begin working again.
Got a call to say the battery was defective, covered by warranty for another 2 days, did I want it changing FOC. Daft question really of course I did. They needed to order a battery, fit it and do the electronic bits thus it would take about 4 days since the weekend was imminent. They said to keep the courtesy car until it was done.
When I collected the car I asked what warranty there was on the new battery and they said none. The warranty on any replacement parts fitted under the manufacturers warranty stopped the moment the cars warranty ended, that was actually the day before I collected the car. Checked the T & C's later and its clear enough just like its been on every subsequent warranty.
There is an urban myth that if you pay a single penny towards the repair the warranty will be like it would be for a repair you paid the full amount for but as we know internet urban myths are normally just that, total myths. How would the dealers react when you asked to pay the token "contribution"?
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How would the dealers react when you asked to pay the token "contribution"?
That's done as part of a goodwill gesture, not as part of the original warranty - therefore no ongoing warranty is applicable.
If a part replaced FOC under warranty fails early, but outside the original warranty, then it's down to goodwill whether it gets replaced again.
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How would the dealers react when you asked to pay the token "contribution"?
That's done as part of a goodwill gesture, not as part of the original warranty - therefore no ongoing warranty is applicable.
If a part replaced FOC under warranty fails early, but outside the original warranty, then it's down to goodwill whether it gets replaced again.
You have misunderstood. I am talking about the urban myth about paying 1p towards any warranty work to ensure you have warranty cover or even cover (6 years) under the SOGA).
My point was regarding the warranty on warranty repairs ending the day the original warranty ends which in my case on the battery was actually -1 day. Doubt any goodwil would be given.
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Back to the OP if Kia state that oil change only needed every 20k miles or two years I'd leave it at that and save yer self £140.I have had a car for 10 years since new and manufacturer states service intervals of 2 years or 20k miles which I have done. It's still going without any issues.
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contributors on here go on and on about oil changes and intervals. Has any research been done about the contribution of the poor old Oil Filter? It was obviously concluded years ago that some sort of filter would trap metal and carbon parts as the engine ran. So have the materials used in modern filters changed and improved to allow longer mileages between oil changes or is it really down to the modern oils?
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It is my understanding that an oil filter will stop and trap metal and other abrasive particles. They also when full of said items the oil will bypass and not filter. Clearly they should be changed well before this happens.
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So have the materials used in modern filters changed and improved to allow longer mileages between oil changes or is it really down to the modern oils?
It's more likely the materials used in modern engines are less likely to fragment. And better oil certainly must be a factor. Perhaps this is why the last filter I fitted to our old Focus was about the size of a half-size can of beans. Presumably one twice the size would function for twice the mileage.
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Thankfully this will be its last garage service as the warranty is only for two years.
You need to read your documents. The Peugeot warranty on a new car is 3 years.
Thank you skidpan, I stand corrected. I could have sworn the woman at the dealer told me two years. However, having perused the eight page 'Maintenance and Warranty Guide', five of which are devoted to space for service stamps (!), and the small print of the contract with the dealer, I can find no reference to mileage - not that this will be an issue as at this rate it will have done fewer than 20,000 by 3yrs.
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Skip to 'Warranty Terms and Conditions' - it's 60,000 miles, or 100,000 miles for commercial.
www.peugeot.co.uk/legal-info/#parts-warranty-|-ter...8
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Skip to 'Warranty Terms and Conditions' - it's 60,000 miles, or 100,000 miles for commercial.
www.peugeot.co.uk/legal-info/#parts-warranty-|-ter...8
Read a bit further and it goes on to say "Warranty support covers unlimited mileage in the first two years and is limited to 60K miles (100K miles on commercial vehicles) in the third year".
Edited by skidpan on 15/01/2021 at 12:21
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Does that mean you could do say 200,000 miles in the first 2 years and then still have 60,000 remaining on the 3rd year?
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Does that mean you could do say 200,000 miles in the first 2 years and then still have 60,000 remaining on the 3rd year?
That was covered in an earlier post.
If you do 60,001 miles in the first 2 years there is no warranty. There may be no limit in years 1 and 2 but the limit applied in year 3 is 60,000.
The Kia warranty is 3 years unlimited and them its limited to 100,000 for years 4 to 7. Some muppets argued on the Kia forum that should mean you could go to the moon everal times in the first 3 years and then still get another 100,000 to play with in the last 4 years but I am afraid it does not work like that.
The wording is quite clear to me "Warranty support covers unlimited mileage in the first two years and is limited to 60K miles (100K miles on commercial vehicles) in the third year".
If you want a warranty that would give the max distance cover, get a Hyundai. Its unlimited for 5 years.
Edited by skidpan on 15/01/2021 at 15:14
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I would be tempted do a suction pump oil extraction with the original filter left in place for the next service. Tried my £10.99 Lidl one a few thousand miles ago and it done pretty well.
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