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Suzuki - Doc

According to the Suzuki web site, they are not now selling the 1.0 litre turbo Swift.

Does anyone know why? I thought the future was smaller turbo engines.

Suzuki - badbusdriver

Isn't it something to do with Suzuki going hybrid only over the whole range?.

You can no longer get a non hybrid Ignis, which also means you no longer get an auto (AGS) Ignis, as for whatever reason, it isn't available with the mild hybrid.

So while i can't say for sure, my guess is that the 1.0 turbo can't be had with the mild hybrid.

Presumably all to do with avoiding the (huge) fines for missing the emissions targets.

Suzuki - badbusdriver

BTW, i'd guess at some point in the not too distant future, they will figure out how to mate the mild hybrid with both the Boosterjet engine and an auto gearbox.

Suzuki - Ethan Edwards

The 1litre Swift Turbo was available with mild hybrid in 2018 for iirc only £750 extra. I didn't bother. Now the official site seems to be only offering the 1.2 na ? I wonder if its because the 1 litre turbo was taking sales from the Sport? It really is a decent drive.

Now the 1.4T Boosterjet is available on the Vitara with the mild Hybrid system and Auto. You may recall the 1.4t replaced the old 1.6 na engine. They've also dropped the 1litre Turbo on the Vitara options.

Something I found interesting (well to a geek like me ) was the 1.4 t has been tuned for economy now and only develops 128bhp. Thats 11bhp down on my 1.4t Vitara . Top speed down by 10mph but 0to60 unchanged .

Edited by Ethan Edwards on 21/07/2020 at 23:14

Suzuki - Ian_SW

I thought the point of a mild hybrid was for the electric motor to provide the equivalent extra "push" of a a turbo during acceleration, but without the need to rev the engine so hard to get maximum benefit. It is using "free" power recovered during braking rather than more petrol. It would then probably be unnecessary to have a turbo as well in a regular car.

This gives a car which accelerates to legal speeds as quickly as a turbocharged equivalent, but with less mechanical complexity. Maximum speed will be lower, but it doesn't really matter whether a car has a top speed of 110mph or 140mph as it won't be used anyway.

Suzuki - bathtub tom

It is using "free" power recovered during braking rather than more petrol.

Hybrids use the engine to re-charge the battery as well as regenerative braking, so it is not all 'free' energy. I suspect a driver who reads the road ahead and drives accordingly would gain very little of this 'free' energy.

Suzuki - mcb100
The hybrid components of a mild hybrid (ones that replace the alternator with a motor/generator that is both driven from and drives the crank) don’t, in my experience provide any significant form of ‘boost’ to performance. I’ve driven both the Suzuki and Mazda offerings.
They will, however, fill in a ‘hole’ in the torque curve at low revs, for setting off, for example. Yes, there will be a drop in emissions, and it gives a manufacturer a relatively economic entry to the ‘Hybrid Club’.
Suzuki - Engineer Andy

In Mazdas, other than smoothing the torque curve, they also run the car's electrical systems. According to their own data, the newer version of the 2.0 SA-G engine (in the latest Mazda3 and CX-30), whilst still 120PS, is actually slower to 60 (and by some margin - 1.5 sec) than the one fitted to the gen-3 Mazda3 and (dropped) CX-3.

AFAIK, he only material difference that the owner sees is the addition of the mild hybrid system (it *may* have a PPF - not sure) and a bit better real-world mpg / emissions when meeting the newer testing regime. The 'headline figures' on that score, especially on CO2 emissions, aren't any different. Particulates may be a vastly different story, but getting data on that is more tricky.

Whilst the new gen cars are better looking, they are quite a bit more expensive. Not so good to get a slower car unless you shell out an extra £3k - £5k for a SA-X engine.

It's not as though owners are benefitting financially from the (real) lower emissions - in fact, some will pay £35 - £40 more pa (VED) for the 'priviledge' in addition to the much higher list prices compared to pre-March 2017 models.

Suzuki - mcb100

Same with all the mild hybrids, the motor generator performs as an alternator when it's being driven off the crank, and performs as a motor when you put voltage to it. It's really difficult to distinguish when it's functioning, apart from watching the Energy Flow screen.

Suzuki - Ethan Edwards

I did some research. I found out why they stopped offering the 1 litre turbo. They are only offering the 1.2na as a hybrid and the 1.4t as a hybrid across the whole range. Nothing else. Its a transitional phase before they offer electric vehicles with hybrids. Apparently they may have also done some deal with Toyota. So big things happening. They are aiming to shift 50 000 units a year or 2pct of the uk market. They currently have about 1.4%. Course this is gleaned from the Internet but it seems plausible to me. A shame I like the 1litre turbo a lot.

Suzuki - tim10597

The 1.0t engine is a cracking engine. My daughter has a Baleno 1.0t automatic, which she bought from my Mum. It returns an easy 55mpg and is as responsive as you’d want and need it to be. Will be interested to see how the new engines compare to this one.

Suzuki - Ethan Edwards

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Edited by Ethan Edwards on 24/07/2020 at 22:46

Suzuki - daveyK_UK
Suzuki are considering a 7 seater for the European market due to increased demand for compact 7 seaters.

I assume they would just import one of the Indian 7 seaters?
Suzuki - RT
Suzuki are considering a 7 seater for the European market due to increased demand for compact 7 seaters. I assume they would just import one of the Indian 7 seaters?

"just import" may not be that simple as cars for the Indian market fall a long way short of European safety standards.

Suzuki - thunderbird
Suzuki are considering a 7 seater for the European market due to increased demand for compact 7 seaters. I assume they would just import one of the Indian 7 seaters?

"just import" may not be that simple as cars for the Indian market fall a long way short of European safety standards.

Indeed. UK (European) law does not consider a plastic model of an Elephant stuck to the top of the dash as adequate protection in the event of an accident.

Suzuki - Metropolis.
If they bring back a 7 seater I would anticipate it being called the Vitara XL-7 or just XL-7. Not a bad car in its first generation, if a little cramped in 6/7th seats! Sadly it will not be body on frame tough like the old one.
Suzuki - mcb100
And there she is, the Maruti Ertiga:

www.marutisuzuki.com/channels/arena/suvs-muvs/erti...a
Suzuki - Ethan Edwards
And there she is, the Maruti Ertiga: www.marutisuzuki.com/channels/arena/suvs-muvs/erti...a

So thats 760,000 Rupee? Or about 8 thousand pounds. And it runs on LPG. Interesting .

Suzuki - daveyK_UK
A number of manufacturers are set to offer 7 seater options or vehicles in the next 24 months; there is increased demand for people carriers.
People having larger families?
People not owning cars but wanting to be able to give friends and family members a lift?

The latter is more common from a small sample of Anglia.
A Family have gone with a grand scenic to be able to take the grandparents on holiday as they no longer own a car.

Edited by daveyK_UK on 28/07/2020 at 18:37