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BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - Telegram Sam

There have been several reported sightings of an unmarked police car in this area and I believe it may have been next but one in a queue behind me yesterday. What looked like an old souped up black BMW, black windscreens, with various neon etc lights at the front including the blue-purple flasher variety. Plus what looked like extra powerful headlights when flashed. Query: If this vehicle flashes me indicating (presumably) that I should stop, am I legally obliged to take any notice? For all I know it could be a mugger and I could be a little old lady. If I drive blindly on, whether or not I have committed an offence, am I in breach of the law? I have received quite contradictory advice on this and I doubt that the Police, if I was to ask them, would give me a totally unbiased answer.

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - Bromptonaut

'Unmarked' police cars, at least those in Northants/Bucks etc, have concealed blue lights behind radiator grille and as part of other light clusters. If one of them is instructing you to stop there would be no doubt.......

Old and blacked windscreen are two other things that do not, intuitively, say police car.

I assume you know whether you're a little old lady or not :-P

Edited by Bromptonaut on 22/02/2020 at 16:39

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - bathtub tom

My daughter was stopped by an unmarked car. She promptly locked the doors and dialed 999. The call handler confirmed the registration belonged to BIBs and the driver patiently waited while this was happening. He praised her for her common sense and asked her, politely, to turn on her lights - the reason for stopping her!

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - Zippy123

My daughter was stopped by an unmarked car. She promptly locked the doors and dialed 999. The call handler confirmed the registration belonged to BIBs and the driver patiently waited while this was happening. He praised her for her common sense and asked her, politely, to turn on her lights - the reason for stopping her!

Similar happened to SWMBO before mobile phones.

Unmarked car late at night. SWMBO drove to the local police station and got a courteous response from the BIBs who informed her that her rear offside light was out.

Now the police station is "un-staffed" whatever that means.

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - Avant

"....old souped up black BMW...."

Most police cars are only a few years old at most - so if it was really old, it's unlikely to be a police car. Souped-up? Depends what you mean. Apart from the aforementioned concealed blue lights, 'unmarked' means just that.

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - Zippy123

A quick google found this...

https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/news/leicester-news/man-fake-police-bmw-attempting-3702031

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - HGV ~ P Valentine

Hello,

That article from Zippy pretty much tells it all, there are people out there who will flash other cars with evil intent that have nothing at all to do with the police, and being a female on your own means you have to be extra careful.

I do not see that the police can do you for failing to stop if they do not have either the blues or the 2's as that is how they identify themselves as the police, and if they do not use either then you would have a very strong case for believing you are in danger.

In this case without seeing a clear indication they are police ( especially on a country road in the middle of nowhere ) I would carry on driving to a garage ( they have cctv ), some sort of public area where there are people ( supermarkets are good ), or a family pub car park that is busy. if they are police they will simply follow you at a safe distance until you stop, maybe flash your lights to let them know you have acknowledged they are there, trust your gut reaction and if there is even the smallest of doubts then do not stop.

Unmarked cars are as previously stated designed to not look like police cars, but they will still have at the very least the blue light they can put on roof with a lead going into the car, and they will never try and force you off the road if you drive properly, whats more they will understand that you might be cautious about stopping on your own in the middle of nowhere.

Edited by A Driver since 1988, HGV 2006 on 29/02/2020 at 16:00

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - HGV ~ P Valentine

https://www.askthe.police.uk/Content/Q587.htm

This pretty much confirms what I have just said, but from another source.

"If a car flashing for you to pull over or stop is unmarked, unless you are certain it is the police, do not stop. Drive steadily to the nearest public place e.g. a petrol station where they are open till late, a police station or somewhere there are a lot of people, and then stop. If you are in a relatively deserted area, as a last resort, consider looking for a house that is obviously occupied and pull into the driveway. You can always apologise to the householder afterwards.

Try and signal that you have acknowledged the request to stop and indicate the action you are taking (put your flashers on or signal by pointing from the driver's window etc.). Don't drive off at great speed making the police think you are trying to get away.

Keep the doors locked until you are happy it is the police and have your mobile phone to hand just in case. You can ask to see the police officer's warrant card, which should carry their name and photograph, through the closed window.

Incidentally, if you are suspected of drink/drug driving none of these actions would invalidate an officer giving you a preliminary test, as you have only temporarily interrupted your journey and are still driving for the purposes of that law."

Please read the full article, its a horrible thought that someone could pretend to be the police.

Edited by A Driver since 1988, HGV 2006 on 29/02/2020 at 16:07

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - grumpyscot

Is it not still the case that even in an unmarked car, the cop has to be in uniform to stop you? I certainly would never stop unless I could see a cop in uniform.

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - thunderbird

Some years ago, (before 2006 because we still had the Mondeo) I drove into the Asda filling station and an MX5 pulled in close behind me. Out of this MX5 got a uniformed police officer who introduced himself as Inspector whatever and asked me why I did not stop at the traffic roundabout in town. I simply told him the reason which was that I saw the MX5 entering the roundabout but since I was entering the roundabout at the same time and not in any way impeding this car there was no need to stop. He went off on one telling me that you should always stop before entering a roundabout to which I replied only if there are solid lines and a stop sign, as we all know the normal way is to give way to traffic already on the roundabout and filter into available space.

He was adamant that I was wrong and that you must always stop before entering so at that point I asked if he was on duty and if he was to give me a ticket and then I would argue my corner in court, it was clear there was no point discussing it with him. At this point he got back into his car and left with no apology or promise that I would hear from them later. I never did hear anything about the matter.

Over the next few months this inspector became a regular face in the local press making his opinion known of many and varied subjects but as quickly as he rose to fame it was announced he was being transferred to alternative duties elsewhere and was never heard of again locally.

I did wonder if his lack of knowledge on driving law extended to all areas of law and he was found out.

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - HGV ~ P Valentine

You where totally right to do what you did, and whats more it might have been an idea to put in a complaint about his lack of knowledge and his behaviour toward you, but.

This is not the first story I have heard, when the speed limit went up to 50 for a hgv, I heard about a driver that got stopped for doing 47, the police office said after he had been proved wrong that he hated hgv drivers and slunk off back to his car, I myself was told by police officer that no one has right of way on a slip road going onto a duel carriageway.

It is becoming quite common because people can be traffic officers, and cpc trainer can do this with no practical experience of driving, and no experience of driving a hgv, I even had someone as a cpc trainer who did even drive a car, but because they passed the exams could give a cpc course teaching experienced driver how to operate a hgv.

We have become a paper society, in my humble opinion.

Edited by A Driver since 1988, HGV 2006 on 08/03/2020 at 15:33

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - Bromptonaut

I myself was told by police officer that no one has right of way on a slip road going onto a duel carriageway.

At the end of a slip road there is a Give Way marking. If traffic on the slip road has not had/taken the opportunity to sequence itself so as to merge then it must yield to the traffic on the main carriageway.

BMW 3 Series Touring - Unmarked Police Cars - HGV ~ P Valentine

Yes, that is totally right, but the police officer did not agree and just like thunderbird he would not be told any different.