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Cost of EVs - barney100

It seems EVs are expensive because of the cost of research and development. The battery pack cost is offset by no gearbox, cooling or ignition systems etc etc. Modern vehicles are the cleanest ever with cats and unleaded fuel and monitored emission checks on the mot.

Cost of EVs - badbusdriver

It seems EVs are expensive because of the cost of research and development. The battery pack cost is offset by no gearbox, cooling or ignition systems etc etc. Modern vehicles are the cleanest ever with cats and unleaded fuel and monitored emission checks on the mot.

Really?, yet another new EV thread with nothing to say which hasn't already been discussed to death many times over.

Why bother?, if you don't like them, don't buy one, simples!.

Cost of EVs - SLO76
The government shouldn’t have an outright ban see at a particular date. Manufacturers have to have competition in order for prices to soften and taking efficient petrol and Diesel engines out of the market will only help keep prices high. It also makes most city cars unrealistically expensive with the likes of the tiny Seat Mii electric costing the guts of £20,000.
Cost of EVs - sammy1

In the answers to questions column today INSURANCE can be up to 60% MORE on an EV which cannot help the case for an EV!!

Cost of EVs - SLO76

In the answers to questions column today INSURANCE can be up to 60% MORE on an EV which cannot help the case for an EV!!

I find it fascinating that the bulk of EV owners to date around here are pensioners who do very limited mileages. Ask them about it and they go on about hating putting fuel in but they seem genuinely startled when I mention that the £10,000 more it cost upfront over say a new Honda Jazz will take them with their 5k p/a mileage twenty years to recoup and that’s not factoring in the higher depreciation and maintenance and likely cost to replace the battery pack at a later date which is circa £6.5k. Ultimately they’ve cost themselves substantially more money and they’re often spotted trundling along the motorway on their occasional outings desperately trying to eke out every mile of range to justify their choice. For MST owners they make no sense at all. You’d need to be doing 20k plus per year in order to come close to making it add up financially.

Edited by SLO76 on 20/02/2020 at 11:31

Cost of EVs - RichardW

One of my colleagues has a Tesla 3 - and bangs on all the time about charging it for free at public chargers to 'save money'. She appeared genuinely surprised when I questioned the wisdom of this against the £40k up front cost (although i suspect its on lease, and they had an XC90 before, so it might appear 'cheap'!!

Cost of EVs - Sulphur Man

Exactly - no one buys a Tesla. BIK and corporate car schemes drive (arf) EV take up, alongside government legislation. Ok, a few seniors with pots of disposable cash have taken the plunge, but thats hardly progress is it.

Cost of EVs - Terry W

If you believe that EVs are an idea whose time may come in 20-40 years that's your choice.

Sales of ICE cars are down for the last 4 years, offset slightly by increases in EVs and hybrids. Costs of every day EVs are reducing and range increasing - they will soon be competitive with ICE.

A rapid sales decline (within 3 years) in the ICE market will follow as the tipping point is reached. For most people most of the time EVs are (or soon will be) entirely competitive in performance and range.

There are a few applications for which EVs will not work. But those intent on finding reasons not to embrace new technologies will rapidly find themselves driving maginalised cars:

  • diminishing infrastructure as fuel stations close,
  • car companies and parts suppliers go out of business,
  • confined to park and ride schemes due to emissions legistion in cities and towns
  • facing zero trade in value due to a lack of demand for ICE
Cost of EVs - badbusdriver

One of my colleagues has a Tesla 3 - and bangs on all the time about charging it for free at public chargers to 'save money'.

I was under the impression that Tesla's charging network was no longer free, is this not the case?.

Cost of EVs - RichardW

We're in Scotland, most public chargers are still free, not necessarily the Tesla super chargers

Cost of EVs - misar

If you believe that EVs are an idea whose time may come in 20-40 years that's your choice.

Sales of ICE cars are down for the last 4 years, offset slightly by increases in EVs and hybrids. Costs of every day EVs are reducing and range increasing - they will soon be competitive with ICE.

A rapid sales decline (within 3 years) in the ICE market will follow as the tipping point is reached. For most people most of the time EVs are (or soon will be) entirely competitive in performance and range.

There are a few applications for which EVs will not work. But those intent on finding reasons not to embrace new technologies will rapidly find themselves driving maginalised cars:

  • diminishing infrastructure as fuel stations close,
  • car companies and parts suppliers go out of business,
  • confined to park and ride schemes due to emissions legistion in cities and towns
  • facing zero trade in value due to a lack of demand for ICE

Clearly your talents are wasted on here.

There are dozens (hundreds?) of companies out there that would pay a fortune for forecasts with the degree of certainty that you provide with yours.

Cost of EVs - sammy1

A rapid sales decline (within 3 years) in the ICE market will follow as the tipping point is reached. For most people most of the time EVs are (or soon will be) entirely competitive in performance and range.

Sorry but I see this as the other way around, in 3 years EVs will hardly make it up the hill to reach their own tipping point!

Cost of EVs - alan1302

A rapid sales decline (within 3 years) in the ICE market will follow as the tipping point is reached. For most people most of the time EVs are (or soon will be) entirely competitive in performance and range.

Sorry but I see this as the other way around, in 3 years EVs will hardly make it up the hill to reach their own tipping point!

Most major manufacturers are investing billions of pounds into EVs - they will be hoping you are wrong or there will be a lot of companies disappearing

Cost of EVs - Leif

It seems EVs are expensive because of the cost of research and development. The battery pack cost is offset by no gearbox, cooling or ignition systems etc etc. Modern vehicles are the cleanest ever with cats and unleaded fuel and monitored emission checks on the mot.

Doubtless the lower sales figures will mean R&D costs (mainly tooling up I assume) will be divided by smaller numbers. However, the batteries are very expensive and that is the major barrier to widespread use of EVs. I was reading recently about lithium sulphur batteries which are four times more efficient than the current ones. That means for the same range, you can have a much smaller and hence cheaper battery. If this really does turn out to be a viable battery tech for cars, the EV will become mainstream and efficient. That is one reason I am holding back on an EV purchase. Oh that and the fact that they are currently not economically viable except for niche uses.

Cost of EVs - martin.mc

I don't see many EVs up here in the North of England. Perhaps the market would benefit with a little support from the writers of our TV soaps, Coronation Street for example. How about Weatherfield Council installing a charging point on every lamp post and Roy Cropper swapping his polluting Morris 1000 traveller for a nice new Renault Zoe. Conversation in The Rovers could turn towards environmental issues, with any denialist voices being nipped in the bud by Ken Barlow pontificating about how mankind will self destruct unless it adopts a lifestyle more compatible with nature. I'm not quite sure where all this would leave Kevin's garage business though.