Does anyone really believe anything they read see or hear in the news media any more, i gave that up decades ago when it no longer even pretended to be even handed but openly chose political sides and became the propaganda arms of whichever part of global corp owned it and its people, applies equally to the state broadcaster.
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Does anyone really believe anything they read see or hear in the news media any more, i gave that up decades ago when it no longer even pretended to be even handed but openly chose political sides and became the propaganda arms of whichever part of global corp owned it and its people, applies equally to the state broadcaster.
We don't have a state broadcaster in the UK.
So how do you get your news now?
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Does anyone really believe anything they read see or hear in the news media any more, i gave that up decades ago when it no longer even pretended to be even handed but openly chose political sides and became the propaganda arms of whichever part of global corp owned it and its people, applies equally to the state broadcaster.
We don't have a state broadcaster in the UK.
So how do you get your news now?
As the Biased Broadcasting Corporation is entirely funded compulsorily by the taxpayers, how is it not a state broadcaster?
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As the Biased Broadcasting Corporation is entirely funded compulsorily by the taxpayers, how is it not a state broadcaster?
A state broadcaster is usually understood to be one that operates as an arm of the state and under direct control of government. Controlled both financially and editorially by the state.
Distribution of the licence fee is largely under government control via charter etc negotiations and arguably government has too much sway.
Is anybody seriously going to argue that BBC is editorially controlled by government?
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I get the impression that the Tory Party thinks the BBC has a left-wing bias and the Labour Party thinks the opposite.
Which means it's probably near the mark most of the time.
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As the Biased Broadcasting Corporation is entirely funded compulsorily by the taxpayers, how is it not a state broadcaster?
A state broadcaster is usually understood to be one that operates as an arm of the state and under direct control of government. Controlled both financially and editorially by the state.
Distribution of the licence fee is largely under government control via charter etc negotiations and arguably government has too much sway.
Is anybody seriously going to argue that BBC is editorially controlled by government?
No, you are correct on that point, but many of us on the right of the political divide have long believed (with very good evidence) that the BBC is biased against right-of-centre parites in favour of the Left, though more the Blairite left than Corbyn, but that's now changing as the younger crop of staff come through into positions of power.
Whilst some far leftists may think it is biased against them, on that score it is because they believe the BBC should agree with them that is the reason why they think they are biased. We on the political right just want news reporting with no commentary and balance, nothing more.
TBH, with the exception of that journalist I spoke of (who is tellingly going to Sky News in January), ITV News is the least biased of all the TV News organisations these days, but like many, very few are just factual reports, with now more and more grandstanding trying to be the one that got the gotcha moment, often by foul means setting up politicians. Unfortunately, the politicians (of all hues) have had it coming, given what they've been doing for decades. The media just learned all their bad habits and made up some of their own.
I am increasingly mocing to small-scale independent media news, including Subverse News from Tim Pool, a respected journalist who makes it clear when he is reporting and making observations/political points, and his news reporters are just that. It's also telling that despite him being left-of-centre, he regularly uses right-of-centre outlets (as well as his own) for factual content, often mocking the heavily politicised/biased (and untruthful) content from left-leaning outlets, including the TV news in the US.
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I think it is the case that every media organisation, however funded, has a political leaning. Whether it reflects the owner or the management is immaterial, but it is there. A pinch of salt and some reasoning needs to be applied to their points of view. The truth is in there somewhere but if it gets to be inconvenient or reduces the hyperbole then it's sidelined waiting for some eagle eyed protagonist to find it. Not really the way to operate a news service. As for the political stances, there are arguments(the dictionary meaning) to be presented but never won on an online forum.Whether the OP story is true, or partly true or contrived we shall never know. The disproportionate amount of media and political time and 'discussion' applied to this is a pity and says a lot for the lack of substance which is what should be discussed.
Old fashioned maybe, but clear thinking and common sense will get you there every time!!
Cheers Concrete
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You would have to have the intelligence of an Amoeba to do anything but to vote against the anti-semetic, blow-the budget, bankrupt Britain, policies of a certain Marxist. i.e. Corbyn J.
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You would have to have the intelligence of an Amoeba to do anything but to vote against the anti-semetic, blow-the budget, bankrupt Britain, policies of a certain Marxist. i.e. Corbyn J.
Quite, the economy therefore is much safer in the hands of people under whose rule the national debt (one more elephant in the room to join all the others which are being ignored) has risen to somewhere between £2 trillion and £5 trillion if you include the state pension ticking time bomb.
None of the parties could be trusted to run a school crossing, sadly we don't have a proven non politician businessman of our own waiting in the wings to lead us from the edge in the nick of time, if there were such a person they would be utterly destroyed by the party machines who exist purely to keep this never ending charade going.
As for voting against, that is my line in the sand, and part of the reason why the country is in the state its in, we've been voting for what we are told is the least worse of a selection of self serving shysters, a vote should be given positively, a vote for something or someone worthwhile, not a vote given to hopefully the least dangerous lunatic in order to keep out the one we are told is worse still.
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You would have to have the intelligence of an Amoeba to do anything but to vote against the anti-semetic, blow-the budget, bankrupt Britain, policies of a certain Marxist. i.e. Corbyn J.
Quite, the economy therefore is much safer in the hands of people under whose rule the national debt (one more elephant in the room to join all the others which are being ignored) has risen to somewhere between £2 trillion and £5 trillion if you include the state pension ticking time bomb.
None of the parties could be trusted to run a school crossing, sadly we don't have a proven non politician businessman of our own waiting in the wings to lead us from the edge in the nick of time, if there were such a person they would be utterly destroyed by the party machines who exist purely to keep this never ending charade going.
As for voting against, that is my line in the sand, and part of the reason why the country is in the state its in, we've been voting for what we are told is the least worse of a selection of self serving shysters, a vote should be given positively, a vote for something or someone worthwhile, not a vote given to hopefully the least dangerous lunatic in order to keep out the one we are told is worse still.
GB, you put it far better than I could have done.
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I agree with you both - I can't remember the last time I voted FOR someone, rather against other far worse. As someone who has, albeit on a small scale, put their head above the proverbial parapet and is a (unpaid volunteer) member of my local residents' association, I can fully see why it attracts the rotten lot we have as politicians and the same amongst a large and growing percentage of the media.
You do something worthwhile and which is either very time-consuming, difficult or at your own cost, no-one wants to know; you make a mistake (or someone you employ does), however small, it's all your fault and expletives come at you left and right. These are the same people who regularly either break the rules regularly themselves or want you to make 'special cases' for their transgressions, the vast majority of which are extremely detrimental to everyone else living on the development. And that's before other RA members plot and scheme and do little work themselves outside what directly benefits them.
I can just imagine that being scale up 1000x or more with district and national poltics. Sometimes I think we need another major war to focus the minds of the otherwise decadent, blase and naive public who take our democracy for granted and who think participating is voting every few years, all the while our good and great manage decline at best or bring the country to the point of no return, yet most people don't bat an eyelid.
Sometimes I give up, though I'm sure that's what some highly political people want - for the normies to leave everything to them to manipulate to their own advantage.
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I bet a lot of people here think the BBC has a left-wing bias.
The story about Laura Kuenssberg "leaking" info about the way postal votes are looking disastrous for Labour - and the BBC defending her unwise (or, according to some, illegal) behaviour, might make you think again.
The story and her behaviour sound pretty right-wing to me. Have a look at: www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/11/bbc-denies-p...w
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The story and her behaviour sound pretty right-wing to me. Have a look at: www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/11/bbc-denies-p...w
The fact to take from that report, it matters not a jot whether it is in Guardian, Telegraph or Sun, is that she witnessed postal votes being opened. At that stage the intention is not to count the votes but to ensure the procedural requirements for postal vote have been complied with. In other words officials have to verify that envelopes containing ballots are properly sealed and signed etc.
Kuenssberg took it upon herself to report that the votes she had seen 'looked bad for Labour' ie the majority were for other parties. That may well be breach of the Representation of The Peoples Act.
However unless it was done with intent of damaging Labour (or as an incentive to get their supporters voting at the Polling Booth out) then it's difficult (IMHO) to see a political motive one way or the other.
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I bet a lot of people here think the BBC has a left-wing bias.
The story about Laura Kuenssberg "leaking" info about the way postal votes are looking disastrous for Labour - and the BBC defending her unwise (or, according to some, illegal) behaviour, might make you think again.
The story and her behaviour sound pretty right-wing to me. Have a look at: www.theguardian.com/media/2019/dec/11/bbc-denies-p...w
(all IMHO)
The problem is that a hard left-winger thinks anyone to the right of them, even centre-left people as most of those working for the BBC are, are 'right-wing'. Most other people can differentiate between soft-right, hard right, centrist, cente-left and hard left.
Like many journos this time, she was doing her me, me, me impression. It should never be about them.
I don't think the BBC is hard left - it has a mix of mainly Blairite centre-left staff and some (and growing) hard left staff, sprinkled with a tiny number (and reducing) number of right-of-centre staff. I do remember a YT video referring to a study carried out by a reputable pollster that backed up this.
This is born out in the editorial policies (incliding on 'diviserity'), including who they do and don't have on panels and interviews, especially the mix of views and how those interviewees and 'experts' are treated in the interviews.
In case of Ms Kuenssberg, I've always believed she's from the centre-left Blairites and acts that way. Despite the hard left Corbynites complaining, her coverage still favours the Labour party more generally, even if it doesn't support them 100% every time, which presumably why you are complaining.
That is the main difference between right and left - we complain because such journalists become partisan and present their own opinion (or that of their editorial team or employer more generally) or deliberately set up interviewees, reports or debate to take down a person, political party or make an issue or viewpoint in their own image. We just want real facts (not what someone says are facts or not the whole story) reported and a balanced opinion about the m,eaning of those facts, offering the viewer to make up their own minds.
The (hard) Left, on the other hand want journalsist to presetn their viewpoints as facts, to skate over inconvenient truths, to do as they want to essentially be their propaganda mouthpiece, and when they say no, they get angry and accuse them of being 'right wing'. It is exactly the same claims the politicians-cum-dictators first make when suppressing the media (or taking it over). I should not that one of McDonnell's things to do upon taking office is to change both the Civil Service and the Education system to 'teach' people how brilliant socialism is and how bad capitalism and the past of this supposedly great nation is.
Revisionist history and propagandising education and the supposedly unbiased Civil Service is rather remininscent of some very unpleasant dictators over the past 100+ years. He also said he would 'lock up' Tories just for being Tories, and in private meetings, prior to Corbyn coming Labour leader, expressed more than just sympathy for terrorists who murdered innocent people in this country, amongst many other things rather unpleasant. I don't believe him for a minute when he says he is sorry for 'any offence caused', noting also that he didn't say he was sorry for having those opinions.
He, Corbyn and his ilk have not changed one iota since they entered public life in the 1970s.
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You would have to have the intelligence of an Amoeba to do anything but to vote against the Islamophobic, blow out our industries and sell our souls to Trump policies of a certain One Nation Tory turned right wing demagogue ie Johnson A B deP
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It all comes down to one thing. I would not normally quote one George 'Dubbya' Bush Jr but he did put the matter very succinctly during his election campaign.
" IT'S THE ECONOMY STUPID"
No money, no anything except debt and misery. I think we have all had enough of that.
Cheers Concrete
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You would have to have the intelligence of an Amoeba to do anything but to vote against the Islamophobic, blow out our industries and sell our souls to Trump policies of a certain One Nation Tory turned right wing demagogue ie Johnson A B deP
:-P
Given that the BBC's own Nick Robinson blew the sell off of the NHS to the US' out of the water at the debate a few days ago (never mind Trump saying they wouldn't want to buy it because its rubbish), that argumenent holds no water.
The 'Islamaphobia' in the Tory party is just from a few people and who are rightly punsihed, unlike with anti-semites in Labour who, after 18 months or more 'investigating', regularly get let off despite damning evidence being presented, often because the 'Dear Leader' McDonnell or one of their higher-up friends says so) or suspended then let back in.
The problem is that The hard Left, aided and abetted by a willing news media (not necessarily for ideological reasons, but for ratings/£££ from clicks/ad revenue [clickbait]), characterises fears over the problems associated with unfettered mass immigration, especially from certain areas as being racist or Islamaphobic. In reality, many people fear for their communities through personal experiences of the detrimental changes, including the effects of overburdening infrastrusture and public services in such a short space of time. Many people genuinely feel like visitors in their own nation because many who've come to our shores to not (want to) integrate, and the huge pace of change makes this much worse.
And to characterise the PM as a demagogue is rather blowing things out of all proportion, rather akin to the distingusting Momentum trolls currently plying their trade (what happened to a 'kinder, gentler politics'?) on the comments sections below articles in the Telegraph for the past month or so (noting that the likes of the Guardian do not allow ANY reader commentary on articles).
I would say that it shows rather a lot of naivete on the part of some who are supposedly very well educated that they cannot see Corbyn and his cronies for what they really are and are trying to do.
Edited by Engineer Andy on 12/12/2019 at 10:42
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Interesting that in addition to reasoned debate, certain posters have, as I expected, resorted to insulting the intelligence of those who hold different opinions.
Exactly the approach of some of the parties attempting to reverse the democratic decision to leave the EU.
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We've been up and both put messages of disapproval of all the above parties and the betrayal by parliament, without being directed towards the individual candidates, who are in one case, and may well be in the others, decent enough people, sadly they belong to parties and a parliament of betrayal.
Unless there is another referendum, that is the last time i shall bother to vote, Farage once again denying me the choice to vote for either a BP or the decent sitting tory, by removing my right to vote BP it was naturally assumed people like me would default to tory, sadly the tory party hasn't been conservative for many years, but its arrogant enough to assume my vote was theirs for the taking, and of course to stop that evil mr Corbyn, wrong on all counts chummy.
I first voted NO to the tory led joining of the common market in (was it 73 or 75?), i have voted in every election since and have at last...talk about slow on the uptake...realised it is a futile effort, no matter which candidate you vote for unless you are lucky enough to have an MP like Dennis Skinner or Kate Hoey (not as i'm a natural labour supporter) who have principles and stand by them being unable to be bought off, then all you end up with is the same two and half horse race where the option is increasingly to vote for the hopefully least dangerous option of two and a half dead parties.
Do you know something, i feel better already, i shall from now on ignore politics, when the coming violence this country is going to suffer as it regresses finds us i shall do my best to defend the weak and my loved ones, other than that all the politicians bar the decent handful represented by the two mentioned, can go to hell.
edit, i lied, didn't vote in May's fake election because like now there was no party worth voting for, difference this time is that parliament and its parties has proved beyond all doubt its utter contempt for democracy and the electorate, well the feeling is mutual.
Edited by gordonbennet on 12/12/2019 at 13:10
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Interesting that in addition to reasoned debate, certain posters have, as I expected, resorted to insulting the intelligence of those who hold different opinions.
Exactly the approach of some of the parties attempting to reverse the democratic decision to leave the EU.
The comment about the Amoeba clearly fell into that category and got an appropriate tongue in cheek response.
Edited by Bromptonaut on 12/12/2019 at 13:15
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I'm sorry, Andy, but everything you say about the hard left could be applied to the hard right.
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The hard right doesn't exist, it hasn't for donkeys years and was exaggerated then by the media , anyone who genuinely believes in their country and its people and their right to self determination is now considered to be far right.
The tory party are moving ever more to the left to try and please the various pressure groups and their vested interests, its a mistake and can only lead to a backlash when the simmering pot within the country finally boils over, when it comes the present parties, especially the fake cons, will be the ones to blame.
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"The hard right doesn't exist..."
I will take that as an attempt to suggest that the Tory Party isn't really nasty at all, compared with the nastiness of the hard left.
After witnessing the fall-out from years of Tory austerity I'm not so sure.
My position is difficult. I can't stand the thought of Corbyn as a potential leader of the UK, with his lack of leadership within his party and his inability to enthuse me about anything he says. I mistrust the influence of Momentum and believe it has a specific ideology which isn't much concerned about the well-being of the UK. Some of the other members of the opposition front bench are also pretty unimpressive.
Equally, I cannot stand Johnson, a man whose word means nothing, who doesn't seem to know what he's talking about half the time, and whose foot-in-mouth performance as Foreign Secretary was embarrassing. And there are some distasteful people on the government front bench as well.
The single thing that may make up my mind is that the Tories are the only party likely to get us out of the EU and thus carry out the will of the British people.
To be frank, if Johnson and the Tory Party as we now know it disappear into oblivion after that, accompanied by the present incarnation of the Labour Party, I shall rejoice.
And don't get me started about the Lib Dems.
Now, there are only three and a half hours before the polls close and I haven't voted yet.
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"The hard right doesn't exist..."
I will take that as an attempt to suggest that the Tory Party isn't really nasty at all, compared with the nastiness of the hard left.
To be frank, if Johnson and the Tory Party as we now know it disappear into oblivion after that, accompanied by the present incarnation of the Labour Party, I shall rejoice.
Hardly, i wouldn't describe the tory party as anything other than a conglomerate who desire power for its own sake for the benefit of their owners/contributors and therefore themselves, they haven't the gumption to be nasty, greedy hopeless incompetent dishonourable idiotically cunning in a jolly good wheeze way, yes, i doubt they have the wit between them to manage nasty, it would tick all the wrong boxes they've signed up to recently.
As for austerity, we haven't had any and they're still splashing money we don't have like confetti, which is why the national debt has more than doubled since Dave managed to scrabble some sort of half govt together with Clogg, and that debt is still growing with no signs of slowing up.
You and i have exactly the same problem, even if we are coming at it from different directions, in that all the main political parties are either pointless or useless, do not represent the genuine working people and net contributors of all classes of the country and we would all be better off if they would just just wither away and die, that way we could get back to a healthy representative govt which is held responsible for its actions by a sensible opposition worth electing on its own merits, a govt unable to hide behind the skirts of its EU master with myriad excuses.
Until we genuinely leave the EU, and i don't mean May's turd of deal dipped in glitter either, we will never get back to proper politics in this country because it's little more than parish council bickering but with £billions and the futures of millions of people at stake.
Please go and write something on the slip FP, even if you can't bring yourself to vote for any of them, i couldn't either and whilst we might be at opposite ends we both believe in democracy, which sadly the parliaments of recent years on all sides don't, even if you send them a NOTA message, your vote is then counted.
I regret not voting, or rather spoiling my ballot, last time in May's desperate attempt IMHO to lose that election (maybe so she could blame labour for failing to leave the EU?) but no way was i not voicing my opinion this time.
Edited by gordonbennet on 12/12/2019 at 19:45
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I'm sorry, Andy, but everything you say about the hard left could be applied to the hard right.
The Hard Right are a ram-shackle and small bunch of idiots who have no power/influence and who are regularly mocked on all sides.They are disorganised, loud and obvious to the vast majoirty of the population.
The Far Left, on the other hand, currently are in control of the Labour Party with seemingly over 500k disciples and who are currently standing for office to run the country. They pervade our higher education system, media (especially big social media firms), quite a lot of businesses, the Trade Unions and, it seems, a good portion of the Civil Service, despite some people telling us this is not so.
Many of them work behind the scenes, quietly over many years, sometimes decades, gaining power and influence without most people noticing. Now they have their opportunity to act, given they finally gained control of major political parteies in Western nations, such as Labour in the UK (with Momentum as their enforcers, with help from the Antifa thugs), the US Democrats, and similar political parties elsewhere.
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Bromptonaut, I trust that you have a Gold-plated pension that is Corbyn- proof in order to make your stance. Otherwise, you are walking into oblivion- and I don't want to suffer the same fate!
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I'm sorry, Andy, but everything you say about the hard left could be applied to the hard right.
The Hard Right are a ram-shackle and small bunch of idiots who have no power/influence and who are regularly mocked on all sides.They are disorganised, loud and obvious to the vast majoirty of the population.
The Far Left, on the other hand, currently are in control of the Labour Party with seemingly over 500k disciples and who are currently standing for office to run the country. They pervade our higher education system, media (especially big social media firms), quite a lot of businesses, the Trade Unions and, it seems, a good portion of the Civil Service, despite some people telling us this is not so.
Many of them work behind the scenes, quietly over many years, sometimes decades, gaining power and influence without most people noticing. Now they have their opportunity to act, given they finally gained control of major political parteies in Western nations, such as Labour in the UK (with Momentum as their enforcers, with help from the Antifa thugs), the US Democrats, and similar political parties elsewhere.
Andy, you are 100% correct in explaining how the Far Left have infiltrated so many parts of this country.
Your good self and gordonbennet summarise the depressing reality which most people fail to see.
Much as bread and circuses distracted the populace of ancient Rome until its collapse.
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I see no one else has chimed in yet now the result is known, so i'll add my tuppenceworth.
Firstly congratulations to the Tory party, a fine decisive win, no one can dispute they now have the mandate to fulfill their promises.
There seems to be a great enthusiasm among many and i admit i share a sense of relief the extreme left has been dealt a blow it will be too dedicated and angry to learn anything from, the anti democracy LibDems losing their odd leader, it's yet another referendum confirmation as if one were needed but those who would thwart the will of the people i doubt will be deterred from their quest to prevent Brexit, so expect some dodgy legal shenanigens are being planned at this very moment...i just hope these arn't used as a weak excuse once again.
There was a similar sense of relief when Johnson was elected leader of the Tory party, all appeared to be swimming along well for a few weeks and then the chinks in the armour appeared, and we all know we ended up with May's turd of a surrender deal being polished up and touted as Brexit when it is in fact Brino, at a cost of betraying Northern Ireland and as usual our fishermen as well as all the other surrenders included.
So, i'm not one to p on this parade, i just hope the promises are kept and the euphoria/relief being genuinely found across the country isn't once again punctured in short order.
Some very good news about some people who have deservedly lost their seats, but i am genuinely puzzled about Dennis Skinner losing his seat and with such a huge swing too, a more genuine Labour MP dedicated to the working class of his constituency you will never find again, 49 years is amazing.
If Johnson and his revitalised Tories takes us out of the EU, reclaim our fishing grounds for our fishermen (wouldn't hurt to let the grounds restock themselves whilst the British industry starts to rebuild itself, and the navy builds a suitable tough fishery protection fleet), curbs unlimited immigration (doubtful), and sorts out the failing police service out so it becomes a force once again allowed to fight the real violent crime epidemic instead of morphing further into a political social justice system with its hands tied behind its PC back, then i shall be the very first to eat lots of humble pie and admit i was wrong to not trust him and the Tories.
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Very much agree, GB. This election was an unedifying choice, but ultimately I think people felt that Jeremy Corbyn was too weak and indecisive to lead the country. He'd failed to control the appalling anti-Semitism in his party, and even more dangerously he would have been too feeble to stop the unions (fewer in number but bigger than they were) from taking control as they did in the 1970s.
The test for Boris is to see if he can move towards the centre (where most people want their government to be) rather than pandering to the right-wingers, which he had to when he didn't have a majority. Keeping Iain Duncan Smith out of the cabinet will be a good signal.
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I don't feel anything other than a sense of relief that hopefully the country can move on and get other important stuff done, not just Brexit.
I strongly suspect that the deal we will end up with won't look dissimilar to what we could have had under Theresa May, had Parliament net been playing silly beggars at the time. The last few years look increasingly like a waste of time and effort in that respect. Or maybe we had to go through all of that before it was realised something had to change.
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I don't feel anything other than a sense of relief that hopefully the country can move on
I suspect that, as usual with conservatives the poor will get poorer and foodbanks will probably double in the amount needed, they might have gotten more in work but a lot are really struggling to live due to poor hours worked
so its more of the same I think...
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"Dennis Skinner losing his seat and with such a huge swing too, a more genuine Labour MP dedicated to the working class of his constituency you will never find again, 49 years is amazing."
There was a letter from a retired police sergeant in a newspaper comment column a couple of weeks ago relating his experience of Dennis Skinner during the miner's strike.
The police were on duty overseeing a picket line somewhere, they were sharing their tea and sandwiches with the miners, having a bit of a laugh joke and moan etc.
A chauffeur driven car arrived, full of press snappers and Dennis Skinner, they emerged and proceeded to do a propaganda piece about the way the police were handling the strike and pointing at the police line and blaming them for police brutality.
Hmm - yes, a genuine labour MP.
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Well after 6 weeks it is all over, the media did it to death and even after the result the media continues to torture the public with the inquest. Where is the intelligence of the media to be stood in Downing street or outside parliament for the last weeks in the pouring rain and freezing cold continually repeating the same old rubbish. I think generally the media are more of an insult to the general public than the politicians. How about a bit of honest and intelligent reporting for a change.
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Well after 6 weeks it is all over, the media did it to death and even after the result the media continues to torture the public with the inquest. Where is the intelligence of the media to be stood in Downing street or outside parliament for the last weeks in the pouring rain and freezing cold continually repeating the same old rubbish. I think generally the media are more of an insult to the general public than the politicians. How about a bit of honest and intelligent reporting for a change.
Can you give some examples of poor reporting? You've not said anywhere what they have actually done wrong.
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There was a letter from a retired police sergeant in a newspaper comment column a couple of weeks ago relating his experience of Dennis Skinner during the miner's strike.
I'm going to call that fake news unless there are pictures or some other corroboration.
Skinner on the picket line doing a bit to camera is plausible. Chauffeur driven car???
I really don't think so.
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