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Van suggestion - Kris the joiner

Hello.

I currently have a 2005 fiat scudo. Starting to get abit battered now.

Im thinking in the new year prehaps get a newer van. Prehaps a smaller one cos i only carry a few tools occasionally and odd dump run.

I mainly use the van to drive a couple a miles a day to work and back.

So with the low milage driven it needs to be a cheap run around and definitely no dpf cos based on the shoter runs it will block up.

Im looking at under £2k

Im thinking Transit connect, peugeot partner/berlingo or Renault kangoo (just cant decide)

Im ruling out fiat amd vauxhall.

And sadly ruling out caddy cos too expensive to buy and to repair

Can anyone share info on the vans that can help me to decide. Which doesnt have dpf

Cheers

Van suggestion - mss1tw

Petrol Berlingo

Van suggestion - Kris the joiner

2008 on partner/berlingo dpf?

2008 on kangoo dpf?

2006 on transit connect dpf?

Van suggestion - SLO76
Vans are a very different proposition when shopping for a used vehicle. Owners tend only to offload when they become economically unviable with the exception of certain larger firms that either lease or offload at a certain age such as the NHS and Utility firms such as BT and Scottish Water but these will be substantially dearer than £2,000.

Unless you can afford to spend £7k upwards on such a vehicle I wouldn’t bother swapping one old van you know for another one that almost certainly will have a serious failure and major cost looming. Businesses don’t buy new vans for the sake of a change, they sell when they’re essentially knackered. It would be wiser to borrow to buy a better van.

I had a series of car derived small vans over the years and not one of them was sold just because I fancied a change all of them had problems.

1986 Renault Extra 1.4 was brilliant and lasted 14yrs and 105,000 miles before becoming unviable. It was traded in.

2000 Renault Kangoo 1.9 was a constant pain from 3yrs on and was finally traded in at 6yrs with a load of electrical issues.

2006 Renault Kangoo 1.5 DCi was another pain and was traded in with a major knock from the front end that two new steering racks and three suspension strip downs under warranty couldn’t solve.

2007 VW Caddy SDi was the only used van I bought. It was an ex NHS fleet and was disposed of at 16,000 miles and 3yrs old. It was a great wee van and was the only one I sold on privately as it was fault free but it was still more than double your budget. I could’ve sold it twenty times over as good cheaper vans are very very very difficult to buy.

I can’t stress this enough, I would advise borrowing to get a good van before buying a worn out older example that’s being sold because it’s done. Even a good estate car would be a wiser bet.
Van suggestion - elekie&a/c doctor
Transit connect are the best drivers here and very solid on the road. The 1.8 Diesel engine is an old fashioned design but reliable. Pre 2010 are not fitted with dpf system . Avoid the ones that are .
Van suggestion - Kris the joiner

Are all pre 2010 vans dpf free or just the connect.

Just wondering what year the othet vans introduce dpf

Van suggestion - elekie&a/c doctor
You need to check each model individually . There are no hard and fast rules. For a sub 2k van , you want anything without a dpf .
Van suggestion - Kris the joiner

It looks like so far

Pre 2010 connect 1.8 no dpf

And pre 2010 1.9tdi caddy no dpf (unless it was an added extra at time of purchase)

Just need to look at 2008 new shape model kangoo berlingo and partners. But knowing french they was first engines about that fitted dpfs so i think they will probaby have one fitted.

If thats the case then im limited to caddy and connect cos i dont want pre 2008 old shape berlingo kangoos

Van suggestion - SLO76

Are all pre 2010 vans dpf free or just the connect.

Just wondering what year the othet vans introduce dpf

Firms did it at different dates, there’s no specific date that’s safe you need to do your homework or even physically look at each van. Probably the best cheap van is the VW Caddy 2.0 SDi, it’s simple and robust with no turbocharger or DPF to worry about but again one at £2,000 or less is likely to be worn out. It is probably one of the only cheap vans worthy of looking at however as they’re capable of taking a bit of abuse. I wouldn’t buy a later TDI version as they are DPF equipped and known for EGR problems too. The Citroen and Peugeot equivalents are good with the old 1.9 or 2.0 HDI diesels but later 1.6’s are very weak and best avoided. The Transit Connect is bad for rot and few seem to survive into old age certainly up here with all the salt on the roads. The Kangoo has a good engine but suffers constant suspension and electrical woe so again I’d forget these. Vauxhall Combos with the 1.7 Isuzu diesels are tough but quite rare, most use the fragile Fiat 1300 motor that’s again best avoided. Don’t buy an ex Post office van as they’re all utterly ruined.
Van suggestion - badbusdriver

At that price, buying a van will be an absolute lottery. How lucky do you feel?!.

Depending on exactly how much space you need, i'd be more inclined to look at a car. The chances of it being anything other than on its last legs are much, much higher. Still a bit of a lottery, but cars, in general, lead much easier lives than vans, and petrol engines are much more common here than in a van. Either an estate, like a Ford Focus or Vauxhall Astra, or maybe an MPV like a Toyota Corolla Verso or Ford Focus C-Max where the rear seats can be removed entirely. Also, the 'car' versions of the Citroen Berlingo (Multispace) and the Peugeot Partner (Combi) would be worth looking for.

Van suggestion - Pinstripe

Someone near me uses an old petrol Vauxhall Zafira and another uses an old Renault Espace.

Van suggestion - badbusdriver

Someone near me uses an old petrol Vauxhall Zafira and another uses an old Renault Espace.

The Zafira would be fine as a 1.6/1.8 petrol or 'non-Fiat' diesel, but the Espace is a different matter. I do seem to remember them being on lists as the least reliable car you could buy!.

As i said before, difficult to make suggestions without knowing how much space for tools is needed, but even a saloon car of some description might be worth looking at. With the tools safely in the boot and out of sight, it could be more secure. Also, there would be less noise intrusion into the cabin from tools clattering about.

Van suggestion - retgwte

I would agree the best bet would be an estate car unless van is absolutely essential.

Insurance will be cheaper, and will be far easier to find a decent example on the second hand market.

Van suggestion - Xileno

Espaces very thin on the ground now. On Autotrader there is only one for sale within 50 miles of where we live (just outside Bath). They are very pleasant vehicles when running correctly but they were also complicated and quite expensive to maintain. The chain-cam 2.0 dci is the best engine but even as Reno fan I would say leave alone and go for the Vauxhall. It will be a lot cheaper to maintain and repair.

Van suggestion - daveyK_UK
1.4 petrol Fiat Fiorino

Very easy to work on, cheap parts
Van suggestion - Ian_SW

You could get the 'car' version of the Kangoo, Partner etc. Once you take the seats out of the back, the only real difference is that they have windows.

At your budget, there would be a better chance of finding a half decent one, as these aren't particularly desirable as secondhand cars so relatively cheap. There are also more petrol engines ones about.

Another option if you have a car as well, would be to fit a towbar and get a small enclosed trailer for materials, tools etc to keep the car good (and empty) for non work use.

Van suggestion - Kris the joiner

Thanks for your replies.

I would prefer a van due to its all being lined out and bulkhead tools secure etc also hmrc look more favourable on van for expenses. Self employed sub contractor.

So dont really dont want a car but if i had to have one yhe estate with blacked out windows.

I have nowhere to put a trailer so cant go down that route.

I could get the newer shape 2007 on scudo/dispatch/expert. But bet they have dpf

Van suggestion - SLO76

Tell us roughly where you are and we’ll have a look at what’s for sale nearby. It’s down to what’s available in decent order within range rather than what you’d ideally want unless you’re willing and able to substantially increase your budget.

Van suggestion - Kris the joiner

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Van suggestion - Shaunandelly

The pre DPF model vans that aren't worn out are few and far between. I have an LT35 158 that I'm hanging onto for that reason

Van suggestion - Chrome

Suprised no one has suggested the Toyota Hiace van. We have a '55' lwb D4D variant at work and it is brilliant, drives and goes really well. Still very tight feeling (quite the opposite of the horrid 05 reg Transit Connect pool van which I ocassionally pilot), Could do with more stowage space in the cab compared with modern tackle, This van starts first time even if left for a couple of weeks. Ours has 140k and feels like it will easily complete another 100k.

Van suggestion - badbusdriver

Suprised no one has suggested the Toyota Hiace van.

That would ber because the OP's budget is £2k. Any Hiace at that price will be on its last legs or rough as the proverbial badger's posterior.