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Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - oldroverboy.

T'other day, was away from home and fuel light came on, (Nothing unusual there then) but was near a certain supermarket selling fuel, and offer was spend £60 and get 10p off a litre, so decided to fill up with Momentum on the spur of the moment.

One of the characteristics of the MG?GM 1.5 engine is that it feels faintly (and i mean faintly!) when cold and very very faintly "lumpy" with an occasional intermittent hesitation when warm

After a week on momentum it feels as if it is running sweeter, so will continue the experiment, as now we are with Shell Energy at home, we get a 3p discount on fuel..

I have read the pros and cons before, and have usually used Asda, as it is a very high turnover petrol station very close to us.

But will be interesting to try for a while.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - CHarkin

I have never been as cynical about premium fuels as many on here seem to be and have been increasing my use of them over the last decade. I have seen a number of tangible benefits from using them as you describe. Fuel now is not as good as it used to be with all the methanol and vegetable oil added and I think premium fuels combat the ill effects of this better than regular.

Currently running on Costco premium diesel that was 12p /L less than my usual V Power, I got 62L into my 70L tank so the saving was a fair bit. Too early to say if its any different.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - Miniman777

May need to get wife to resurrect the Costco membership as she's NHS. 12p would make me seriously consider use in the family X3....which has a 68L tank.

First am off to Specsavers as never noticed the filling station as it's tucked round the back at the Leicester store...Doh!

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - Andrew-T

As my recently-acquired Pug 306 hasn't done much for a few years, I shall bung in 10 litres of super on Saturday to see what happens ....

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - oldroverboy.

Probably better to give it a tankfull. even if it is bit by bit.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - madf

I am sorry to say I read a lot about this on many forums.

Commenst about fuel consumption I ignore unless carried out carefully brimto brim over a fair number of miles and fairly standrad journeys and compared like for like and similar weather..

Any figures based on the vehicle' s own readings of mpg are totally and utterly inaccurate and mean nothing except teh person quoting them has no clue as how to test mpg scientifically.

Sorry to be so blunt..

PS I found NO difference with premium or regular petrol/diesel on any car I have driven in the past 10 years. Based on detailed consumption figures over that decade by car and date and type of fuel.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - Andrew-T

Comments about fuel consumption I ignore unless carried out carefully brimto brim over a fair number of miles and fairly standrad journeys and compared like for like and similar weather..

But no-one has mentioned mpg so far - only the cost of a litre ....

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - oldroverboy.

And indeed the only thing I am saying is that the engine which has a petrol particulate filter is running smoother..

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - SLO76
An oft argued about subject. I tend to favour big brand fuels and most mechanics and traders will advise the same. From experience I’ve noticed that some European cars take a noticeable dip in performance, economy and reliability but Japanese designs show no detrimental effects that I could spot. I assume the fact that they’re often designed with global sales often third world markets in mind they’re engineered to cope with lower quality fuels and additives.
Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - CHarkin
An oft argued about subject. I tend to favour big brand fuels and most mechanics and traders will advise the same. From experience I’ve noticed that some European cars take a noticeable dip in performance, economy and reliability but Japanese designs show no detrimental effects that I could spot. I assume the fact that they’re often designed with global sales often third world markets in mind they’re engineered to cope with lower quality fuels and additives.

You could well be right about that Japanese cars are less fussy about fuel but I would describe it more as a programming difference. If you set a car up to be able to use the worst fuel its likely to get you can't go far wrong. On the opposite side of the coin they can't take advantage of higher quality fuel when they get it.

Where has Skidpan got to?

Edited by CHarkin on 12/09/2019 at 14:25

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - Engineer Andy

T'other day, was away from home and fuel light came on, (Nothing unusual there then) but was near a certain supermarket selling fuel, and offer was spend £60 and get 10p off a litre, so decided to fill up with Momentum on the spur of the moment.

One of the characteristics of the MG?GM 1.5 engine is that it feels faintly (and i mean faintly!) when cold and very very faintly "lumpy" with an occasional intermittent hesitation when warm

After a week on momentum it feels as if it is running sweeter, so will continue the experiment, as now we are with Shell Energy at home, we get a 3p discount on fuel..

I have read the pros and cons before, and have usually used Asda, as it is a very high turnover petrol station very close to us.

But will be interesting to try for a while.

From reading many comments over the years on this forum on this subject, I suspect its a YMMV time - some cars will love superfuels, others (like mine) seem to not really notice much, however I suspect on the defining factors is HOW the car is used and maintained - lots of short urban trips from cold and/or a lack of decent maintenance (not implying anything here ORB), then the engine is more likely to gum up with deposits of carbon via fuel that isn't completely burnt from running a rich mixture more of the time.

The branded superfuels with their extra cleaning additives etc would likely help cars in those circumstances far more than just standard 97-99RON from a supermarket filling station, but obviously you pay a large premium for doing so. This is why I prefer to occasionally use a (seemingly) proven fuel injector cleaner additive (especially when it's on offer in the shops - far cheaper than using branded superfuels), but then my car will get the full benefit, especially for the cleaning of the valves, as my car is an older port-injected engine, rather than a direct injection one.

I noticed about a 3-5% (using the brim-to-brim method and comparing very similar usage at the same time over a few years) increase in mpg (i.e. 1-2 mpg) using each method, but much else, probably because my car does the vast majority of its work on fast flowing roads for decent length trips, meaning its mostly warmed up running optimally and thus the injectors, valves etc are likely to be reasonably clean.

Very little difference as a result from supermarket to branded fuels. I use the injector cleaner maybe twice a year at most, especially coming up to service and me going (driving long distance) on holiday.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - oldroverboy.

I am not too fussed about MPG, The car is properly maintained and driven correctly, but if the use of additives, be it in premium petrol or redex helps the engine then that is surely better.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - paul 1963

I did notice a difference when using super in my last car ( Suzuki swift) felt a little smother, can't detect any difference in my current car though ( moka x) I tend to use asda as there just across the road from me and they have a high turn over.

I do wonder ( and it's undoubtedly been answered before) where supermarkets get there fuel from, it's obviously made by one of the big oil company's but do they, asda for instance always get the fuel from the same company? or do they use whoever offers the best deal?

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - RT

I did notice a difference when using super in my last car ( Suzuki swift) felt a little smother, can't detect any difference in my current car though ( moka x) I tend to use asda as there just across the road from me and they have a high turn over.

I do wonder ( and it's undoubtedly been answered before) where supermarkets get there fuel from, it's obviously made by one of the big oil company's but do they, asda for instance always get the fuel from the same company? or do they use whoever offers the best deal?

The supermarkets get their fuel from the regional distribution depots, just like the big brands do - it all comes from the same big tanks with only the final additives that are slightly different - each regional depot gets it's fuel from different refineries, shipped either by underground pipeline or by sea.

Fuel, Ordinary and Super - MGZS 2017 - John F

I have on occasion done comparative brim-to-brim analysis over several hundred miles and found that the percentage increase in mpg is more than matched by the percentage increase in price of premium fuel. There is a stated slight loss of power when an engine designed to perform best on 98 octane is fed allowable 95 octane, but for the few seconds held in 'kick-down' when overtaking, this is an insignificant loss.