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Recommended car for my mother-in-law - GT

Hello, my MIL has just written-off her Ka and now wants another car to replace it with. I feel as a doting SIL and to keep my wife's nerves becoming too frayed, I should advise her - she was ripped off with the Ka. Her emotional choice is another Mini (she had a Cooper for many years before she suddenly bought the Ka). I'm interested in anyone's views as to whether there's a more sensible purchase; here are the salient facts:

She's a very sprightly and totally competent 89 year-old.

She lives on the outskirts of Brighton. The vast majority of journeys will be in and around the town, occasionally venturing up the M23/M25/M40 to visit her beloved SIL (and her daughter, of course)

She wants an auto

Her budget is £6k

I've had a cursory look on A/T for low mileage minis under 6k but they seem to be holding their value and are thus some years old. I want her to have something safe and reliable, cheap to run, perhaps with a bit of zip and street cred (like the Cooper), and without wishing to sound morose, will still be in fine fettle when she either gives up driving or shuffles off this mortal coil.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - Avant

Assuming the Ka was a manual, does she really want to change to an auto at 89?

I'd suggest a Toyota Yaris 1.3 (not the 1.0 which is sluggish, unless she is a very stately driver). It's lively and a lot better to drive than the road tests imply.

For £6k a used Mini could be a money-pit. If it does need to be an auto, I think the Hyundai i10 and Kia Picanto autos are the more reliable torque-converter type, rather than the semi-automatic fitted to Yarises.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - GT

... does she really want to change to an auto at 89?

Yup. She was getting fed up with the whole clutch/gearbox thing, but I too questioned this with her. I definitely wouldn't recommend a semi-automatic gearbox after my own Grand Picasso C4 experiences.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - badbusdriver

Couple of things spring to mind with your requirements.

First off, the Suzuki Swift,

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And the Mazda 2,

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Sadly, that budget isn't enough to get the current shape Mazda 2.

There are other options, such as the Hyundai i10 or Kia Picanto, but neither are what you might consider along with a Mini in terms of style, but the Picanto is perhaps a little more youthful looking?,

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Edited by badbusdriver on 23/06/2019 at 17:51

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - SLO76
I can’t recommend a Mini here, they tend to fall off a cliff past 5-6yrs of age reliability wise. I’d go for something Japanese for reliability or a Ford Fiesta 1.4/1.6 but I’d avoid any with the later Powershift gearbox. The third gen Toyota Yaris 1.33 CVT is a great little auto. It’s robust, economical and sits in a low road tax band saving £170 a year over the Fiesta.

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Edited by SLO76 on 23/06/2019 at 20:11

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - John Boy

Like me, my eldest daughter drives a Vauxhall Agila B (rebadged Suzuki Splash) with a TC box. When someone bent the car in her work car park, she was loaned a Nissan Juke with a CVT box whilst it was sorted. Her evaluation of the Juke was "great sound system, but the engine's got no poke". I took that to be caused by the CVT characteristic sensation of lots of revs, but getting nowhere. On that basis, I should think someone going from a manual Mini, via a Kia, to a car with a CVT box would be disappointed, at least in the short term.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - GT

Thanks everyone; some great suggestions here.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - nellyjak

Another vote for the Yaris here...but NOT the MMT...must be the CVT.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - Bilboman

Les Dawson spent a fortune on a car for his mother-in-law. He bought her a classic Aston Martin DB5 from Pinewood Studios. He said it was the only one he could find with an ejector seat fitted as standard. ;-)
(I'll get my coat...)

Edited by Bilboman on 25/06/2019 at 01:15

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - gordonbennet

I've got a slightly different view here, mature ladies still full of youthful exuberance are to be treasured, and encouraged to enjoy their time on this earth.

Years ago when i still drove car transporters i used to deliver networkQ regularly, i remember one of my last drops was to a small village down Somerset/Dorset way, which still boasted a decent VX garage, tiny main street and as i pulled up as close as possible to the garage a lovely older lady came bounding up the street as excited as a puppy with two tails, the stupidly quick petrol turbo Astra (can't recall now if convertible or coupe) i was delivering was indeed her new car.

So my tuppence is to encourage the fine woman the subject of this thread to have what she desires rather than what reasonably might be deemed suitable in this place, if she wants a car she finds pretty and has a bit of oomph in it then pray help her to find it.

Money where mouth is, my very own SWMBO admits she should really have a smaller engined sensible estate for the dogs and general running about, reality is she loves her flying Forester, long may she refuse to grow old gracefully.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - GT

Gordonbennet - these were my sentiments 10 years ago when MIL hankered after the Cooper, which soon became a sinkhole for her dwindling cash. I'm sure my own SWMBO would agree with me that we never thought back then that she'd even still be driving now, ten years later, never mind looking to buy another Mini. It's like Groundhog Day. However, your point is well made; I will tell MIL that it's her money (at the moment :-)) and her choice. SWMBO has diligently got POA provision all in place but it doesn't necessarily extend to power of veto over her car choice!

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - gordonbennet

Yes, that can be the trouble with Minis.

It was so good to see that fine woman in the Soutth West as excited as a schoolgirl at the prospect of her seriously quick car, it seemed a parallel for your MiL.

I have no doubt you'll find her something good.

Though they are getting a little older now, for a couple of years, circa 2008/9 Toyota fitted the Avensis 1.8 petrol engine into the Yaris, known as SR model, sadly no autobox afaik but should be a nice drive with that sort of power to weight, they do tend to be low mileage and generally well looked after plus Toyota reliability, lower cost than the budget mentioned, just a thought that that tame wolf in sheep's clothing might put a sparkle in her eyes.

One other suggestion, slightly left field and fairly rare, Toyota iQ was available with the 1.3 engine, and the auto is the CVT transmission, stopped production in 2014.

Edited by gordonbennet on 27/06/2019 at 11:13

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - Senexdriver
Wish my 90 year old MIL was more like the OP’s. FIL died young, 31 years ago. MIL could drive and they had an 18 month old Astra with very low miles as FIL had suffered a long illness not long after taking delivery. Despite all the encouragement we could muster, MIL would never take the car out, not even round the local estate, but she kept it taxed, insured and MOT’d for the next 12 years when one of her grandsons bought it off her. As a result, we have schlepped 150 miles there and back round the M25 each time we visit her or have her to stay with us. And over those 31 years the drive has got more and more stressful. We are now in mid to late 60s and still having to do the drive regularly. All attempts over the years to persuade her to move closer to us have also amounted to nothing, even though she has no family or friends where she lives.

She’s a lovely lady, but things aren’t going to change now. If only...
Recommended car for my mother-in-law - oldroverboy.

I remember i had an Opel Astra in 1982, (The square boxy one) with the row of switches in the centre dashboard, driving with my Mum (bless her) and she said what does that one do? Going to flick it....

THAT'S FOR the ejector seat. (she had been in the wraf.)

Hand quickly withdrawn.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - Avant

I didn't realise that Suzuki did an automatic Swift. That one that BBD has found looks promising.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - wazza2004

Suzuki swift before 2012 (model change ) is a 1.5litre auto, after model change its 1.2litres . Both easily within budget .

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - GT

It completely slipped my mind to let everyone know, in case you're interested, how this played out. I failed to mention in my OP that MIL's major criterion was that it had to be blue. She said she'd seen one advertised in Banbury and they would deliver! And it had a sunroof. I asked what model it was, which seemed the most irrelevant question to her, but it transpired it was a C1. No wonder they said they'd deliver. The words plague and avoid came to mind, not necessarily due to the C1 in particular but my Citroen experience over a 10 year period with SWMBO's Grand Picasso. Suffice to say I started looking towards the Orient and found a low mileage (22k) '11'-reg Kia Venga 1.6 auto with a sunroof, and it was blue (the clincher). A splendid car in tip top condition, having had only one owner. Yes, I know it's the dreaded CVT but if you're generous with the right pedal the 1.6 is quite torquey and get's her past 30 in no time at all. Apart from the usual arm waving trying to change gear with the automatic (tying her hand to the steering wheel worked - or at least the threat of it), and then telling me it wouldn't start (the shift wasn't in P), she has got used to it pretty well. Other than the car park incident in the first week which ended up with £1500 repair to front nearside and rear offside wings, both MIL and car seem blissfully happy. (I ventured to ask how many other cars were damaged in this incident, but this seemed just an inconvenient truth).

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - badbusdriver

Yes, I know it's the dreaded CVT

The Kia Venga does not have a CVT, it has a (4 speed at that age) torque converter auto.

Reliable but very thirsty.

Edited by badbusdriver on 18/11/2019 at 21:02

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - John F

Writing off cars in your late eighties is usually a sign it's time to stop driving. So far it seems this 'totally competent 89yr old' woman has written off her car, then soon afterwards caused £1500 worth of damage to her new car (and goodness knows how much to the other cars involved). Do let us know in another five months how much more grief and carnage this over-confident hazard on wheels has caused - and whether or not she is still insurable.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - madf

Writing off cars in your late eighties is usually a sign it's time to stop driving. So far it seems this 'totally competent 89yr old' woman has written off her car, then soon afterwards caused £1500 worth of damage to her new car (and goodness knows how much to the other cars involved). Do let us know in another five months how much more grief and carnage this over-confident hazard on wheels has caused - and whether or not she is still insurable.

Agreed. My father did that..

We persuaded him to stop driving for the safety of cyclists and pedestrians mainly...About three years later dementia showed its full effects:-(

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - badbusdriver

Writing off cars in your late eighties is usually a sign it's time to stop driving. So far it seems this 'totally competent 89yr old' woman has written off her car, then soon afterwards caused £1500 worth of damage to her new car (and goodness knows how much to the other cars involved). Do let us know in another five months how much more grief and carnage this over-confident hazard on wheels has caused - and whether or not she is still insurable.

Leaping to assumptions there John. There was no mention of the circumstances of either the old car being written off and the new one being damaged in a car park. Do you not feel it is possible that the OP's MIL was not at fault in either case?.

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - John F

Writing off cars in your late eighties is usually a sign it's time to stop driving. So far it seems this 'totally competent 89yr old' woman has written off her car, then soon afterwards caused £1500 worth of damage to her new car (and goodness knows how much to the other cars involved). Do let us know in another five months how much more grief and carnage this over-confident hazard on wheels has caused - and whether or not she is still insurable.

Leaping to assumptions there John. There was no mention of the circumstances of either the old car being written off and the new one being damaged in a car park. Do you not feel it is possible that the OP's MIL was not at fault in either case?.

' my MIL has just written off her Ka...' plus the tone and content of the OP's description of the car park incident led me to feel that the possibility of faultlessness in both cases was highly remote.

Old age not only increases the likelihood of causing a collision, it also decreases the ability to react and avoid collisions caused by the faulty driving of others. There are lots of OAPs who have had collisions which were legally not their fault but which they might have avoided in middle age.

Edited by Avant on 21/11/2019 at 23:08

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - John F

Avant, I wonder why your edit substituted 'Old age' for 'Senility', thus detracting from the accuracy of my post. Perhaps you mistakenly thought it was a rude word?

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Recommended car for my mother-in-law - Andrew-T

Avant, I wonder why your edit substituted 'Old age' for 'Senility', thus detracting from the accuracy of my post. Perhaps you mistakenly thought it was a rude word?

I agree. It's a medical term of long standing - but perhaps unfortunately the rather insulting tone of the word Senile has rubbed off onto it ?

Recommended car for my mother-in-law - Avant

It's one of these words whose meaning has evolved, in this case in the wrong direction. Some people could take it to mean that GT's mum-in-law is failing mentally, whereas GT's original post implied that that isn't the case.

'Old age' makes the point (your perfectly reasonable one that our reactions get slower as we get older) without the risk of offending anyone.

Edited by Avant on 22/11/2019 at 16:46