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Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - trebor1
HJ always praises the higher cost detergent added fuels. Has there been any independent tests done to prove which ones offer the best in terms of detergent efficiency and performance / mpg improvement over the standard fuel? Or what is your own experience and recommendation? Thank you ....
Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - CHarkin

You know you have likely started something here. This is a very "Marmite" subject.

Me, Im a believer having noticed the benefits, mainly reduced DPF regenerations but not I must add any great improvement in fuel consumption. Its not just better detergents but better lubrication for fuel injectors and pumps, plus many others.

Transport and the Environment produced a document a section of which complains bitterly about car manufacturers successfully lobbying the EU regulators to use only premium fuels in their emission tests. No supermarket fuel for them. One of the things VAG dealers told customers complaining about poor running after the emissions fix was to start using premium fuel.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - Engineer Andy
HJ always praises the higher cost detergent added fuels. Has there been any independent tests done to prove which ones offer the best in terms of detergent efficiency and performance / mpg improvement over the standard fuel? Or what is your own experience and recommendation? Thank you ....

There's no way you can compare the 'generally', as many cars are not specifically set up to gain that much in terms of performance, for others, the cleaning ability of fuels with detergents in them aren't that great either - for example, GDI-only (especially early examples) petrol engines, where the fuel doesn't wash over the intake valves to clean them, and thus provides only a marginal cleaning effect on them.

They do apparently help keep the fuel injectors from getting gunked up and thus provides a more even, controlled spray of fuel.

I realise HJ does recommend both petrol and diesel superfuels from the branded filling stations (especially Shell) because he has had a long experience of just using them with no ill effects on any of his cars, but then neither have many of us who've essentially been using supermarket fuels for decades. Again, the useage pattern, type and age of the car/engine makes a LOT of difference.

What is telling is that, as far as I know (someone please correct me if they believe I'm worng on this), I do not recall one independent test being published to prove or otherwise the claims of the fuel producers, and even the literature I've seen from the fuel companies seems more marketing than the type of peer reviewed documents that would appear in a science journal. I get the same sort of guff from building services equipment manufacturers, but at least they have the excuse that they (in the main) don't have $Bns of cash lying around to pay a trusted independent science team to test all their (many) products - fuel companies have only a handful.

I'd like to see tests done in a similar vein to those for tyre tests, but even more rigourously. If the fuel companies know it's all on the money, then they should spend some to prove it to us. Same goes for the fuel additives firms. After all, this isn't 100+ years ago with street salesmen peddling snake-oil.

From personal experience, I found using Shell super petrol for a while in my port-injected Mazda3 (used almost exclsuively for longer trips, so likely no significant injector/valve problems to start with), I got about 3-5% (2mpg max) extra mpg on very similar hourney patterns. Not sufficient IMHO to justify the 10-12% extra price (over supermarket UL) in the fuel.

I got a similar effect by using a 4-dose bottle of Redex fuel injector cleaner, which is about 4x cheaper if you get it when it's on offer. As such, I but a bottle every year or two and that's it. Others who use their cars for mainly short urban trips from cold may find that using branded super fuels is better. With diesel, the benefits seem to vary far more in cleaning performance than for petrol engined cars, wherby the actual engine performance seems to be more of a benefit, at least to otherwise well-looked after cars.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - trebor1
Thats very interesting, i agree its crazy to hear no official tests have been done to certify the efficiency of the additives. It can be a considerable amount extra over a tank of fuel and whats stopping the fuel manufacturers making unsubstantiated claims about extra performance or extra cleaning properties ?

I have used on several occasions but not noticed any noticeable increased performance or extra mpg , obviously im not saying they don't work but it would be good to hear some more examples/comments from people on here to enlighten us of their believed results both good or bad.
Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - RT

There's an irony that those with engines in good condition will notice less effect of more additives than those with engines in poor condition.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - S40 Man

I understand filling stations can adjust the amount of fuel delivered.

I wonder if they adjust the volume of the fuel pumps for supper fuels so you get a little bit more for your nominal litre. When you then work out the amount used you would see an increase over regular fuel and so believe it was good stuff or am I being cynical

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - FP

"I understand filling stations can adjust the amount of fuel delivered."

Surely not - not legally, anyway. I thought the accuracy of fuel delivery was a matter for Trading Standards and the pumps themselves are sealed to prevent tampering.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - gordonbennet

I'll just leave this here

forums.seatcupra.net/index.php?threads/millers-die.../

Yes i use Millers, a generous dose in supermarket fuel and have done so for years, no i haven't performed any trials myself, but if Ricardo conducted the engine tests working with Millbrook then it's a test that should not be discarded.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - RT

I'll just leave this here

forums.seatcupra.net/index.php?threads/millers-die.../

Yes i use Millers, a generous dose in supermarket fuel and have done so for years, no i haven't performed any trials myself, but if Ricardo conducted the engine tests working with Millbrook then it's a test that should not be discarded.

Which just shows that cleaners will clean a dirty engine and make it run better.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - trebor1
A useful link thank you

I wonder then do we concur that any additive if good be it pre mixed with premium petrol/diesel or squirting in redex type additives. ?

If yes then any thoughts on redex versus millers etc etc ?
Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - RT
A useful link thank you I wonder then do we concur that any additive if good be it pre mixed with premium petrol/diesel or squirting in redex type additives. ? If yes then any thoughts on redex versus millers etc etc ?

All fuel sold in Europe already contains additives, so the value of extra additive in clean engines is debateable.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - sammy1

in the sixties and perhaps before premium fuels were marketed and when there was a forecourt attendant to dispense your fuel they had Redex in guns which you could add to your tank at 1d old money per shot. Whether it made any difference is the same conundrum as today!

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - Bolt

in the sixties and perhaps before premium fuels were marketed and when there was a forecourt attendant to dispense your fuel they had Redex in guns which you could add to your tank at 1d old money per shot. Whether it made any difference is the same conundrum as today!

In the 70s it was 10p a shot for a while until our garage stopped selling it, main garage used to use it through the Carb/s to decoke an engine though it was only a temp thing until the head/s were removed for decoking

sometimes it appeared to work other times it had no effect, so probably depended on how bad the engine was.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - madf

I have detailed fuel records - and fuel types - for about 30 years.

I don't use premium fuels as my records show no measurable improvement and there is zero change in driving characteristics.

Mind you, no performance cars involved.

WHenused witha diesel on short journeys , no premium diesel fule made any difference to levels of sooting up over 12 months.

Waste of money.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - trebor1

I have detailed fuel records - and fuel types - for about 30 years.

I don't use premium fuels as my records show no measurable improvement and there is zero change in driving characteristics.

Mind you, no performance cars involved.

WHenused witha diesel on short journeys , no premium diesel fule made any difference to levels of sooting up over 12 months.

Waste of money.

Madf, Would you be happy to share some of your detailed fuel records as a 30 year independent comparison would be pretty conclusive, how did you ascertain that there were no differences to sooting up? Did you also try redex type additive? Thanks
Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - paul 1963

A very interesting discussion, I have in the past used super fuel, not sure I noticed any difference in mpg although I did find the engine marginally smother, could of just been my imagination of course.

seriously thinking about using a additive though, personally I always try to use a garage with a high turnover as I've definitely found a difference there. Keeping your tyres at the correct pressure as well as keeping your car clean and not full of carp will defently improve your mpg albeit marginally.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - CHarkin

A Red-X story. I have ran the same Honda motorbike for the last 13 years, it goes off the road for 4 or 5 months every year. At 4 years old it became difficult to start in the spring and coughed and spluttered after it started. For years 6,7 and eight I gave it a heavy doze of Red-X when it went to bed for the winter. It was the old original type that was kicking around the garage but after about 3 years it ran out and I started using V-Power fuel. It starts on the button now and even the hot starting that was never great is so much better. Conclusion is that in some respects Red-X can do the same job as V-Power.

The Original Red-X was sold as an upper cylinder lubricant to lubricate the pistons during a cold start when the fuel can wash the oil off the cylinder walls.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - Snakey

My car is one of the ones the manufacturer (Vauxhall) recommend the higher octane fuel, but is also classed as OK to run on the lower.

I know this is fairly rare, but there is a difference - the mpg is minutely better on the higher octane (about 0.5 to 1mpg!) but the performance is where it is more noticeable - generally smoother especially at lower revs and light throttle, where the lower octane can make it hesitant.

If I hadn't read the manual I would have assumed 95 RON was the default, but I'm using the 97-99 RON and it seem to run smoother all round on that.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - madf

I have detailed fuel records - and fuel types - for about 30 years.

I don't use premium fuels as my records show no measurable improvement and there is zero change in driving characteristics.

Mind you, no performance cars involved.

WHenused witha diesel on short journeys , no premium diesel fule made any difference to levels of sooting up over 12 months.

Waste of money.

Madf, Would you be happy to share some of your detailed fuel records as a 30 year independent comparison would be pretty conclusive, how did you ascertain that there were no differences to sooting up? Did you also try redex type additive? Thanks

My wife's Yaris D4d does short journeys only. So passing smoke test is a MAJOR issue.. in 2018 it required 20 miles in 3rd gear at 3,000 rpm to clean it up - I added one of teh fuel system cleaners and ragged it.. Passed at 0.8 whatever it is.

So I decided to run it ONLY on Shell premium diesel for a year. Duly done. So I gave it a quick 10mile run before mOT at 60mph ish but in 4th gear.. It failed miserably 1.3 level..

So more fuel cleaner and 20 miles in 2nd gear up to 5,000rpm.. Passed at 0.5 whatevers.

In other words, a premium diesel mix made stuff all difference.

Ditto Jazz on premium Shell petrol: 3 tank fulls and 1,000 miles and mpg - same time of year/roughly same weather and journeys (creature of habit) and mpg was virtually unchanged..).. (Fuelly/formula same answer).

I concluded it was smoke and mirrors...Jazz emissions (2012 1.3) at MOT virtually nil.. no prep, no Italian tuneups..

Edited by madf on 18/04/2019 at 16:19

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - trebor1
This has been a interesting debate.

1) Has anyone used the petrol fuel additive designed for petrol lawn mowers or petrol powered hand tools? Its not cheap but has claims of keeping the fuel fresh over the winter months. Any good?

2) redex versus millers versus car-plan et al fuel additives - any thoughts on best results and which one to buy?

Thanks to all who contribute
Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - corax
This has been a interesting debate. 1) Has anyone used the petrol fuel additive designed for petrol lawn mowers or petrol powered hand tools?

I use Briggs and Stratton Fuelfit additive for mower petrol. I always have some petrol left over winter and never have problems starting next spring. I also use the Swedish two stroke ready mixed Aspen fuel for the hand tools - it's expensive but again they always start quickly after winter and no smoke when running. I can leave the fuel in the machines out of season.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - madf
This has been a interesting debate. 1) Has anyone used the petrol fuel additive designed for petrol lawn mowers or petrol powered hand tools?

I use Briggs and Stratton Fuelfit additive for mower petrol. I always have some petrol left over winter and never have problems starting next spring. I also use the Swedish two stroke ready mixed Aspen fuel for the hand tools - it's expensive but again they always start quickly after winter and no smoke when running. I can leave the fuel in the machines out of season.

I leave petrol in my mower (B& S engine) with no additives over winter. No starting issues SPring.

I leave petrol in my petrol generator for 2 years . As above..

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - gordonbennet

I leave petrol in my mower (B& S engine) with no additives over winter. No starting issues SPring.

I leave petrol in my petrol generator for 2 years . As above..

As do i, this is the first year my mower has played up at first spring start up and the first and last year the fuel tank was empty over winter, dropped the carb float bowl and refitted and she fired straight back up and runs fine, i'm still using last years petrol from my 5litre can.

Hopefully the Kawasaki two stroke strimmer will fire up first time once again.

As to which is best of the fuel additives, Millers is well respected in the motor oil industry and among racing car owners (offering all sorts of hard to find viscosities, ie 10w60), i can't see them producing snake oil and risking that well earned reputation.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - Engineer Andy
2) redex versus millers versus car-plan et al fuel additives - any thoughts on best results and which one to buy? Thanks to all who contribute

Very subjective (see my comments pertaining to the use of Redex in my 55 plate Mazda3 1.6 petrol), TBH. Halfords does sell both, though how much of the user reviews are genuine and reliable is another matter...

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - madf

". Halfords does sell both, though how much of the user reviews are genuine and reliable is another matter..."

If Which 's investigation into Reviews is anything to go by,90% of the 5 star ones will be fake.

Petrol and diesel best detergents best performance - Petrol station fuel reviews which is the best? - Engineer Andy

". Halfords does sell both, though how much of the user reviews are genuine and reliable is another matter..."

If Which 's investigation into Reviews is anything to go by,90% of the 5 star ones will be fake.

I suspect it depends upon where you get the reviews from, if there is any comments and their content in reviews. I was told that many review sites have a LOT of dodgy reviews, both from the employees of the firm being reviewed (5 stars) and disgruntled former employees and rvial firms (1 star), especially those with very generic and repeated comments. Plus they only have reviewed one item, ever.

I've seen the former category myself from a property management firm, and who were caught out when the BF of an employee got caught putting a fake 5 star review. Some of their fake reviews are soooo obvious as well. Just like those (IMHO) on a certain movie review site...