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Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - KBB

I have a 2010 1.4 TSI Octavia with 100k on the clock.

For quite a while now (i.e. at least a year) I've been having a minor niggle in that, as per the title, the engine sometimes feels a bit hesitant and uneven.

This mainly happens at fairly low revs in higher gears under gentle acceleration. For example, doing 60 in 6th, engine at about 2000rpm, in busy traffic on the motorway and slowly speeding up. It almost feels like driving along a bumpy surface so it's not massively noticeable in the cabin but several sections of road on my daily commute have recently been resurfaced and the smooth road surface has really exposed this.

In spring 2018 I changed the spark plugs as I was having misfires at roughly the same speed/revs but when accelerating hard. The new spark plugs resolved that and I thought the unevenness had gone as well but maybe that was just my imagination - it seems to be getting worse of late.

Any ideas on what could be going on? I did get a garage to run a diagnostic on it but they said that no error codes were showing up. I don't understand how the tools work though; if they were just plugging it in in the workshop with the engine idling then it would be fine - are error codes stored that have been encountered previously or do they get blanked when the engine is turned off?

Could it be the clutch? AFAIK it is the original clutch (bought 2nd hand at 22k and have not needed a new clutch). How could I tell if it was slipping?

Thanks!

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - Railroad.

The absence of fault codes proves nothing. The Engine Control Module is a computer, and just like any other computer it cannot see what it's doing, apply common sense or reason. It does EXACTLY what it's told. No more no less. A fault code will only be stored if it receives an input from a component outside of what it's been programmed to receive. You are human and have a complex brain. Just because you can experience a fault with your car does not mean the ECM also can.

Your description of the fault is fairly vague. If the fault is a misfire you may have an ignition coil tracking to earth. You said changing the spark plugs initially cured it, so this might be a place to start. The ECM will only set a fault code in this regard if a misfire is detected. That would come via the o2 sensor. The ECM does not control or monitor the high tension side of the ignition system.

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - KBB

It doesn't feel like it's misfiring again, well, certainly not like it was before when I was getting a very noticeable jolt so, as you suggest, it is probably something too subtle to be throwing an error code. I'll go back over the spark plugs again and make sure they are OK.

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - Big John

If it improved a bit for while with new plugs then I'd suspect one or more of the coil packs. Usually get's worse in cold weather.

Worth having a test to see if valves are loosing compression with carbon.

Edited by Big John on 09/01/2019 at 21:40

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - KBB

If it improved a bit for while with new plugs then I'd suspect one or more of the coil packs. Usually get's worse in cold weather.

Worth having a test to see if valves are loosing compression with carbon.

Well, the bit about getting worse in cold weather certainly rings true! Do coil packs have a nominal "lifetime" after which they are likely to fail?

Could you elaborate on the last paragraph? Is that something that a garage would have to do? What exactly would I ask them?

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - elekie&a/c doctor
At this sort of mileage , I would expect to see blocked/carbonised inlet manifold and possibly injector problems. This can definitely cause these issues.
Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - KBB
At this sort of mileage , I would expect to see blocked/carbonised inlet manifold and possibly injector problems. This can definitely cause these issues.

Thanks, that leads me to 2 questions:

1. Are either of these things easily (by easily, I mainly mean reasonably cheaply) fixed?

2. If I ignore it, will it knacker the car completely, or just get gradually worse?

I'm planning on changing the car this year so I suppose the main question is, if the problem is one of the above, is it likely that will anything catastrophically fail in the next 12 months?

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - elekie&a/c doctor
1 . No such thing as a cheap fix on a modern car. 2. It may not get any worse,but it certainly won’t self heal. Drive it until it drops.
Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - Big John

A compression test is easy to do - and will prove if you have something wrong like carbon keeping valves slightly open - If left like this then it will cause valve burning.

Depending on inlet manifold you may be able to remove a sensor on it and insert an inspection camera to look inside the manifold and examine the back of the valves.

Coil packs easy and fairly cheap to change - especially if done at the same time as a compression test as you need to pull off coil packs and remove plugs to do this. I'd do this anyway!

Worth giving it a treat to to some higher Octane petrol such as Tesco Greenenergy so see if it helps a bit - Makes my 1.4tsi run better.

Edited by Big John on 10/01/2019 at 19:23

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - KBB

A compression test is easy to do - and will prove if you have something wrong like carbon keeping valves slightly open - If left like this then it will cause valve burning.

Depending on inlet manifold you may be able to remove a sensor on it and insert an inspection camera to look inside the manifold and examine the back of the valves.

Coil packs easy and fairly cheap to change - especially if done at the same time as a compression test as you need to pull off coil packs and remove plugs to do this. I'd do this anyway!

Worth giving it a treat to to some higher Octane petrol such as Tesco Greenenergy so see if it helps a bit - Makes my 1.4tsi run better.

OK thanks. I do occasionally treat the old girl to a tank of Sainsbury's premium unleaded (IIRC correctly it's 98 RON) and I agree that it does feel slightly smoother / more responsive. Tried the Shell V Power once and that had another marginal increase in responsiveness compared to the Sainsburys stuff and gave maybe 1.5 MPG improvement, but not enough to justify over 10p/litre more than boggo unleaded from Asda!

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - bazza

I know nothing about this engine, but years ago, playing around with older engines, this sounds a bit like valve timing might be out, just maybe, now I recollect these early TSI motors have a timing chain that is prone to stretching. It would be worth having your valve timing checked out properly, even if it's just to eliminate it.

Skoda Octavia - Engine uneven / hesitation - KBB

Quick update on this, over the weekend, I took each of the coils out one by one and checked all the spark plugs.

One of the plugs seemed like it was only just hand tight (I was cautious when I fitted them not to over tighten - seems l was too cautious). After putting it all back together again and tightening up the coils, it seems to be running much better. It's not super smooth, but that is probably just down to one of the other issues suggested above like the injectors being clogged, vacuum leak etc.

I'll see how I get on and run branded fuel for at least the next 3 tanks to see if that makes any difference.

Thanks all for the advice.