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Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - malct

Up in the north west of the UK, We often get the cheapest prices of fuel on the forecourt and over the last couple of years, the difference between diesel and unleaded has been 2p give or take a little, Now diesel is almost 10p higher than petrol.

Can anyone explain why the big difference .

We have a 1.5 Clio Diesel and it comes under the old car tax rules and we don't pay for road tax and we have no plans on selling this car, We also do short journeys but still average 58 MPG with a long run now and again just to clear out the filter, so really happy with the car, Its just when you see the spread opening up between unleaded and Diesel and i am not sure why.

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - carl233

Noticed this I think the largest price gap between the two is 11p I have observed. Interestingly was in India recently and the cost of petrol in the state I visited was more than diesel. Whilst there seemed to be a market for diesel cars many people were running large engined petrol cars despite that fuel costing more at the pumps.

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - RT

The petrol-diesel gap varies according to time of year - diesel is affected by demand for heating oil in winter and lack of its demand in summer - that's additional to the various causes of fluctuation for bothb petrol and diesel.

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Andrew-T

The petrol-diesel gap varies according to time of year - diesel is affected by demand for heating oil in winter and lack of its demand in summer - that's additional to the various causes of fluctuation for both petrol and diesel.

Yes, that is the usual explanation, and I suppose it may agree with the Indian observation above, as I doubt there is much seasonal demand for heating oil in India ... :-)

But equally I'm not sure that putting price up or down will influence the demand for fuel much? Most people (and institutions) will probably use a similar amount unless prices change drastically? (in economics-speak, the demand is inelastic) Unless perhaps a refinery is more expensive to run when more diesel is produced?

Edited by Andrew-T on 05/11/2018 at 14:58

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Bladerrw

I'm looking forward to the cost of diesel coming down as demand starts to fall due to the switch back to petrol and EV....... Realistic?

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - malct

I am on oil heating, I have noticed that it says on my invoice that the oil should not be used on diesel cars.

At the moment heating oil has dropped from 59 to 56 but this time last year the price was 42p. I think the government at some point in the next few years will tax diesel more in order to get people driving electric cars

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Gibbo_Wirral

I'm looking forward to the cost of diesel coming down as demand starts to fall due to the switch back to petrol and EV....... Realistic?

Back to the old days when it was on a dirty pump on its own at the far end of the forecourt!

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - madf

I'm looking forward to the cost of diesel coming down as demand starts to fall due to the switch back to petrol and EV....... Realistic?

All diesel is imported so no chance.

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - nick62

All diesel is imported so no chance.

Are you sure, I was under the impression it is a byproduct of petrol production (it boils-off the cat-cracker before petrol)?

I stand to be corrected BTW, it is a long time since I did my chemistry O level!

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Bromptonaut

Are you sure, I was under the impression it is a byproduct of petrol production (it boils-off the cat-cracker before petrol)?

I stand to be corrected BTW, it is a long time since I did my chemistry O level!

My recollection is also from (45 year old) school science. The most volatile fractions go to the top of the cat-cracker before condensing. Petrol will condense further up than diesel. Cannot recall if refining technique or class/origin of crude oil can lead to variations in proportions of different fractions from a barrel of oil.

Cannot see how UK refineries can avoid producing at least some diesel though as it's pretty much same fraction as domestic heating oil there may be some choice as to which market it's sold in. IIRC old fashioned mechanical injection diesels like PSA's XUD would run quite happily on heating oil - at least in the summer when waxing was not a problem.

Wouldn't want to chance it with modern high pressure injection units though.

Edited by Bromptonaut on 06/11/2018 at 18:13

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Manatee

A fractionating distillation column is not the same thing as a cat cracker, which IIRC is for making lighter hydrocarbons from heavier ones.

But AFAIK ordinary petrol and diesel are just cuts from the distillation of crude oil. They go on to various processes including removal of sulphur before being ready for use.

Edited by Manatee on 06/11/2018 at 18:25

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - FP

"All diesel is imported so no chance."

All oil (unrefined) is imported; maybe refined fuels like diesel and petrol are imported too - I have no idea.

The UK has six refineries, where crude oil undergoes various processes, including heat, which separates the different end-products by density and boiling point. Lighter fuels (kerosene, petrol) boil off first, then heavier fuels (like diesel).

Petrol boiling-point: 95 °C

Diesel boiling-point: 180 - 360 °C

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Andrew-T

One of the important functions of the cat-cracker is to reshape the C7-C9 molecules (petrol) with some branching, which alters the burn characteristics. That was one way to avoid the need for anti-knock additives. Refineries can be 'tuned' to adjust the balance between petrol and the heavier stuff, when more heating oil is needed in winter.

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - RT

I'm looking forward to the cost of diesel coming down as demand starts to fall due to the switch back to petrol and EV....... Realistic?

All diesel is imported so no chance.

Since diesel is one of the products distributed from UK refineries by the UK Oil Pipeline, that seems to be wrong - but we do import some as well.

Why the difference between Diesel and petrol - Bladerrw

A quick google comes up with a recent government published document analyzing the market.

It would appear the UK refining process is geared up to produce petrol and heating grade diesel so the UK is a big exporter of petrol and one of the biggest OECD importers of road diesel.

However, to say that there will be no effect on prices because all road diesel is imported must over-simplify the pricing function. The price could even go up as the UK imports smaller volumes and economies of scale kick in.