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Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Frinton

Can anyone tell me whether or not it is possible to have a punctured tyre repaired as any other tyre if you do not use the sealant and inflator that comes supplied with the vehicle? Ias k because if so l will then buy a spacesaver spare wheel.

Edited by Avant on 30/08/2018 at 01:41

Mercades c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - jc2

Yes-tho' position of puncture is critical.

Mercades c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Frinton

Appreciate it thanks

Mercades c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Engineer Andy

Many of the tyre repair and wholesalers have info on this, so do a web search with the question.

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Avant

You should certainly buy a spacesaver, provided that there's room for it in the boot (I looked at one Mercedes, I think the GLA, a few years ago, and there wasn't, so I didn't look at it any further).

The point is that you might hit a pothole miles from anywhere; the gash is too big for the can of gunk to mend; and you're out of mobile range. Then what do you do?

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - focussed

I have used puncture prevention seal for years in motorcyles and cars - not specifically the Autoseal product - the last stuff I installed was called Punctureseal.

If you do want to use this or similar stuff remember;-

Only inject the recommended quantity into the size of tyre that you have - don't give it "one more squirt just to make sure" and you won't have balance problems.

You must inspect your tyres regularly to check for foreign object damage that will not cause loss of air because the sealant has sealed the puncture.

As a precaution to reduce the risk of having to stop to change a wheel in a dangerous situation, the hard shoulder of busy motorway for example, it's a good product, but I would still carry a spare if possible.

Edited by focussed on 30/08/2018 at 11:49

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Engineer Andy

The problem with the sealant type products is that they effectively make the tyre unrepairable - almost no fitter will plug such a tyre and thus for ANY puncture, a new tyre is required. If the original was a runflat, then, barring a full-on blowout, it can be run up to 50mph to 50 miles, but then has to be thrown away (apparently), and an oridnary tyre would require the sealant, result in another new tyre.

At least with a space-saver spare and no sealant, you stand a chance of being able to have the original repaired if the hole is in the right place and its an ordinary tyre. Besides, how many tyre fitters are open on Sunday afternoons, Bank Holidays or evenings/overnight, or what happens if you're in a very rural area with no fitter nearby?

Personally, I think it should be law that ALL vehicles should have a spare wheel and tyre, and preferably a full sized one. The mpg and CO2 saving from having a space-saver or none, whilst measurable and reasonable over time, pale into nothing to the extra costs of finding and fitting an expensive new tyre, or having an accident after trying to drive normally (as many people seem to do) on the flat runflat tyres or space savers (especially if fitted to the front axle), especially when in poor weather.

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - focussed

"The problem with the sealant type products is that they effectively make the tyre unrepairable "

Why? Because the tyre trade never miss trick to sell you a new tyre do they?

I've had all this nonsense from a tyre shop when I took a gel sealed tyre in for repair.

Much sucking of teeth and more than my jobsworth etc.

I told them the stuff washes out with a hose, they didn't believe me.

I told them to take the tyre off and i would wash it out with the hose in their yard.

I did just that and dried it off with their airline.

I said show me the damage ( there wasn't any) - no warranty mind!

So they repaired it with a mushroom patch - it was fine until i sold the car 2 years later.

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Engineer Andy

I suspect it very much depends upon how far you drive with the sealant in the tyre and how long you leva it before try to get it cleaned out (assuming the tyre place will want to) before trying to plug the tyre. Surely, as its a sealant, that substance must stick to the tyre enough so that, under the stress of use, it doesn't wear off in a mile or so, therefore it must be quite sticky, rather like wood glue.

Trying to wash that off after 50 miles or leaving it overnight to 'cure' would make trying to remove it quite tricky, perhaps even requiring enough force around the puncture that it enlarges the hole - perhaps why fitters don't want to do this? It may not be viable 100% of the time, hence my earlier comments.

I'd personally rather have the reassurance of a full sized spare, and at the very least a space-saver that means I can drive more normally (though only up to 50mph). This would be of particular importance on a Sunday or on a long drive when I may not be able to find a open and competent fitter immediately. I also then don't need to get ripped off (if I have a full sized spare) by a fitter charging over the odds, even for a plug.

They ain't gonna charge you a tenner for a plug if they to clean it all out and throroughly dry it off, are they? Fine, if it does the job and you've got a £150 tyre than can be repaired; not so cost effective if the tyre costs a third as much or less and the plug doesn't last very long.

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - gordonbennet
You must inspect your tyres regularly to check for foreign object damage that will not cause loss of air because the sealant has sealed the puncture.

As a precaution to reduce the risk of having to stop to change a wheel in a dangerous situation, the hard shoulder of busy motorway for example, it's a good product, but I would still carry a spare if possible.

exactly, and this is where it all falls down, because many plainly do not inspect their tyres properly, some even fail to notice when the inside shoulder is down to the cords or even the whole tread near enough bald.

In some cases these sealing products could lead to worse failures, because an object penetrating and staying in would usually lead to a pressure loss quickly, but if the sealer works you could easily have a 3" nail/screw through the tread and every revolution as the tyre flexes gradually ripping through a section of inside sidewall, itself being re-sealed by the product until eventually its too weak to hold and the sidewall gives way with instant deflation.

Having worked in a tyre repair workshops as a young chap i've seen what foreign objects can do to the inside of tyres, this is not a fit and forget solution.

Edited by gordonbennet on 31/08/2018 at 09:13

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - Avant

I agree that Autoseal could make sense as a preventative as long as it works. But does anyone know if it would work in the case of a large gash caused by a pothole?

Mercedes c 200 - Tyre sealant and inflator - focussed

I have heard anecdotal evidence on a bike forum where someone rode over a broken bottle and the tyre sealant slowed the escape of air long enough for the rider to slow down and stop safely. Some of the sealants have fine black rubber threads in them to aid bridging a large puncture.