I find Waze even better. I have not used Satnav for years. I use google when walking

Edited by Captain-Cretin on 29/07/2018 at 12:26

Even my 'ancient' Nokia 620 (I have a REALLY old 3410 dumb phone as a free voicemail service [the battery lasts for several days, unlike a smart phone's]) with Here maps (still can be updated) is perfectly fine for live traffic sat nav use - I just used in on holiday in the West Country and it was decent - all at no charge and with a relatively small size screen.

A nice touch with the optional speed limit warning bongs (no camera warning, but the alternative is reasonable). Car manufacturers still haven't got phone/sat nav integration and ease of use right yet - better than a few years ago, but still a long way to go.

The one thing I didn't like when using Google Maps (on my then [larger] work phone) was that the live traffic levels weren't as accurate or up-to-date as my Here Maps service and often wanted to route me on roads I could visually see were blocked. I think it needs a better algorithm to compare current information to historical data to give useful recommendations to change routes.

Had to be hypo.. 40k credible but lots of 10-14 yr old BMWs with 4k.. Don't think so, rare examples that are will be cherished and gradually heading for collectible status (at 25 miles per month)...

I have one,a 9000 mile 530i sport BMW,no idea why you wouldn't use a car like that,mine is not a 'museum piece',I drive it on weekends.And much as I respect HJ's opinion,there is a LOT of difference in build quality between an E39 BMW 5 series and a Mondeo from the same year.Fast forward ten years,3 series and Mondeo,not much.So it depends what you are looking for.