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Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - AlexL

I’m looking into getting an Octy 1.4 SEL (or maybe an SE with options), and have prices from some dealers via the online car broker places. I’m looking at 17-18K with PCP (which I’d only be using to get the initial 3K discount, I’m hoping to settle it early on). Or £500 less for the 3.5K trade-in (I think my car qualifies, it was registered right at the end of 09, though I’m not sure it’s a Eu4 or Eu5. It’s worth ~£1000 as a trade-in according to HJ’s valuation, so probably not the best way to go).

The closest to me is £700 more than the cheapest (~300 miles away!), so I’m wondering if I can go in and negotiate around this, the trade-in on my old car, and on the inclusion of a spare wheel and towbar (as the minimum of extras I would want).

Sanity check – the broker price is the same price (or less) as 12-18month old similar cars (with mileage) on autotrader. Is that normal? I was initially looking at a 2 year old model, but realising that with a broker deal, the overall first 3 year depreciation compared to these autotrader prices isn’t actually as bad as some people make out. A 3-year old car is typically 12-13K with less than 20K miles.

I’d really appreciate some advice, it’s the first time I’ve been looking at a car costing more than 6K, am I missing something or are some of these PCP deals (‘deposit contributions’) actually good value – barring any hideous %s where I assume they would normally claw back the initial ‘deal’ reduction.

(reason for petrol: 10-12K per year, typically 2x20mi per day, and my current diesel regens every 200 miles, usually when I'm in view of home or work!)

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - RobJP

No, you're not missing anything. Used cars are often no cheaper than new cars in reality - it's when you compare the used car price to the 'list price' of a new car that they look a lot cheaper.

Sadly, there are still lots of buyers who will pay list price, or think that getting £500 off list price means they've got a good deal.

As to the PCP, yes, it's entirely legitimate to cancel the agreement and settle in full, and keep the discount you got.

Do note, however : You only have 14 days in which to do so. After that, you are stuck in the finance agreement, at whatever the interest rate is.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer - AlexL

I didn't think I was looking at things wrong... good to have confirmation!

As I understand it, a PCP deal can be settled at any time, though with a 2 month interest payment as the fee. And if you did this after a couple of months then the dealer still gets their commission payment for selling what they're supposed to be selling - the finance! I was wondering about using this in order to negotiate extras at a good price, though whether they'd take my word for it or not... Plus I would have to be very careful about potentially annoying the dealer by trying to edge myself into a strong position (I'll cancel the PCP after a week unless you give me X,Y and Z!). I'd probably fail anyway, I'm not the person who could try besting a car salesman. Fun times ahead?!

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer - RobJP

I didn't think I was looking at things wrong... good to have confirmation!

As I understand it, a PCP deal can be settled at any time, though with a 2 month interest payment as the fee. And if you did this after a couple of months then the dealer still gets their commission payment for selling what they're supposed to be selling - the finance! I was wondering about using this in order to negotiate extras at a good price, though whether they'd take my word for it or not... Plus I would have to be very careful about potentially annoying the dealer by trying to edge myself into a strong position (I'll cancel the PCP after a week unless you give me X,Y and Z!). I'd probably fail anyway, I'm not the person who could try besting a car salesman. Fun times ahead?!

You are incorrect about your 'settle with 2 months interest payments'. It is a legal contract, and you are tied into it. There is a thing called 'voluntary termination', but that is completely different, and involves you reaching the halfway point in all payments, and then handing the car back.

Best way to 'best' the dealer is simply to never tell the saleman that you're going to settle the finance in the first 2 weeks. Make out that you're buying it on finance, that it's going to be a nice big earner for them.

Make sure you buy GAP insurance for your car. HJ recommends a company (ALA) who are very good, and considerably cheaper than the dealership would be.

www.honestjohn.co.uk/cheap-gap-insurance/#ala-gap-...g

The garage certainly won't get 'annoyed' at service time. The service dept and sales dept don't really have much interaction - and it's odds-on that the saleman will have moved on in a year or two anyway.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer - skidpan

Paid off 2 PCPs early now and saved a packet. In both cases kept the deposit contribution. Simply ring and ask for a settlement figure, they send you one, if you are happy you pay it.

I have used 123GAP 3 times now. Just paid £140 for a 3 year policy on the Superb, the deal wanted almost 3 times that for effectively 2 years.

Have you tried an Octavia estate yet on as many different road surfaces as possible on a test drive of at least an hour. We have tried 3 now and they were all incredibly noisy. We tried and Octavia hatch and that was OK (just). We bought a Superb hatch, cost no more than an equally specced Octavia (the SE is better equipped than the SE-L) and is very quiet. Try carfile.net for excellent prices and service.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - IRC

I'm thinking the same as you. I looked at a 2 year old Octavia Estate 1.4 Se. Dealer wanted £13k. Basic blue paint. Dealer was low on the trade in offered.

I checked DrivetheDeal who quoted £16 for the same car new. I decided ion the end to go for a Superb Estate 1.4 Tsi 150bhp with a few options added - metallic paint, folding front seat, all season tyres. Came in just over £18k on Drivethedeal.

Carwow quotes were a bit higher so I went with Drivethedeal. I reckoned an extra £5k for upgrading to a Superb, getting a new car rather than 2 years old, two free services, and getting my choice of colour and options was worth the extra £5k.

The dealer who supplied the low bid was 350 miles from me (in Scotland) . He offered a driven delivery to Newcastle where I could meet the driver. I'm happy to fly down south and drive the car back myself. An airfare and trainfare being small change in the price of a new car.

The lesson being don't compare 1 or 2 year old car prices to list prices.

By the way on the Octavia noise issue. Tyre noise was intrusive on my last Octavia hatchback until I switched the OE Bridgestones to Goodyear Vector 4 Seasons. Made a huge difference.

Edited by IRC on 11/03/2018 at 22:16

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - rsvtoddy

I checked DrivetheDeal who quoted £16 for the same car new. I decided ion the end to go for a Superb Estate 1.4 Tsi 150bhp with a few options added - metallic paint, folding front seat, all season tyres.

I hope that you are not expecting all season tyres like Michelin Cross Climates or equivalents? There have been discussions on other forums about this, as it seems like Skoda class anything that is not a winter tyre as all season.

Probably too late to check with the deale, if they actually know the answer.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - IRC

According to the link below the £150 all season option is all season tyres. I'll confirm when I take delivery.

www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/440953-factory-fit-a...8

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - AlexL

Yup, sounds like we're on the same page of thinking.

I hadn't considered the Superb simply as it's bigger than I really need - not a problem if its the same price, but obviously taking a hit on the economy (though surprisingly not an awful lot according to the real MPG, and also the Equa Index). If there's an added luxury element then perhaps I should try it out also. I'm sure it'll be so much better than the current motor (09 Astra estate), but then so would an octavia.

I will have to take a closer look at the spec levels for the SE and SEL - initial indications show the SEL on the Superb is way overspecced for my needs.

And then look at taking both out for a spin.

Cheers all for advice and experience, really really useful :)

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - skidpan

Yup, sounds like we're on the same page of thinking.

I hadn't considered the Superb simply as it's bigger than I really need - not a problem if its the same price, but obviously taking a hit on the economy

Just looked at Carfile.net. The Superb 1.4 TSi 150 PS SE hatch and Octavia 1.4 TSI 150 PS SE-L estate are only about £100 different. But whilst we needed the Octavia Estate (the hatch was a bit small for us) the Superb hatch was big enough for our needs. It has a bigger boot and way more rear seat space than the Octavia estate. The only advantage is the square back of the estate which is wasted unless you are carrying large square boxes in the boot, we don't.

Economy wise my Superb is averaging pretty much the same as my previous Leon with the same engine. On a holiday trip it actually did a little better probably because of the better aerodynamics of the saloon shape body.

Look up carfile.net on the web, you won't get a better deal. Got the Leon and Superb from Jonathan and now have a fabia on order.

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - AlexL

I did take a look at carfile (thanks for the recommendation), and firstly its good to see the prices without having to jump through hoops. It is certainly worth considering once I have taken one of these out for a drive (I can't imagine I'd get an awful lot out of it unless its terrible for me, though I'm intrigued about the road noise differences between Oct and superb.

And being relatively new to this forum, I may have replied in the wrong place earlier, and then trying to incorporate a reply to everyone in it...!

Estate has been great for us over the last few years, camping trips, car boot sales.. If in 10 years my kids want to go to northumberland for university then it will be useful then too ;)

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - AlexL

Not sure why, but drivethedeal only list diesels for the Superb (except at 2l). Is that different to your experience then?

Skoda Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - skidpan

Not sure why, but drivethedeal only list diesels for the Superb (except at 2l). Is that different to your experience then?

I have not used drive the deal and have not even mentioned them. I have used www.carfile.net. very different companies in different parts of the country.

Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - IRC

Not sure why, but drivethedeal only list diesels for the Superb (except at 2l). Is that different to your experience then?

Drive the deal no longer showing 1.4 Supervisor for me either. It has changed in the last couple of weeks.

I think I read the 1.4 was being replaced by a 1.5. Maybe supply issue s with petrol engines at changeover?

Though if other sites still list the 1.4 it could be a glitch on the DTD website.

Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - IRC

Further to above - from Briskoda - current generation petrols are being withdrawn shortly so it may not be possible to order a 1.4 right now. I think I just scraped under the bar. Ordered 8th March got provisional build week of 16th April.

"Wk 26 along with the introduction of Euro 6d, most of the current petrol engines will be withdrawn from production. New engines with GPF will not be available until wk36 or later. So I imagine the order books for most petrol variants will shortly be closed. "

www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/445840-delivery-time...2

Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - AlexL

Yes, this does appear to be the case.

I took a drive in a 1.4 Octavia hatchback (it's all they had) - i thought it was nice to drive, returned 45mpg from cold on the trip, part city part motorway) was quiet enough (certainly noisier at the front than the back). I don't know how it fares compared to the estate though.

Looking into ordering, it was 1.5 only. They did have one coming in soon that they were trying to tempt me with, but wanted me to pay extra for the metallic paint that would be on it.

Regarding financing.... They were only willing to give £500 for my car (i was expecting low... not that low!) unless I do the scrappage deal, so scrappage vs PCP deposit contribution was going to work out the same, though I'd have to sell my car myself (the engine runs quite rough, I was hoping not to have to sell it privately... I'll look it up on wbac for a reference point, but I guess they'll find out too and devalue accordingly. Not worth the cost of getting it sorted (potential can of worms).

SO I'm wondering if I suggested that I could buy the silver one, trade in my old car under scrappage, and go PCP if they're willing to drop the metallic paint cost - else I pay in cash and they don't get their finance kickback.

Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - skidpan

AlexL

Contact Jonathan at www.carfile.net and save money. There is no risk. You will not regret it.

Just ordered my 3rd car from there.

Octavia Estate - Possible first time new car buyer (Octy?) - AlexL

Thanks Skidpan, I've done that too - I was waiting until I had a testdrive before getting into too much with the dealer that carfile have passed me to (I've told them that) - so I'll do it next week once I've crunched the numbers. My old car could be worth 1-2K, but I'd have to get the engine sorted (or priced up) before I sold it on.