I don't see how you got yourself into the position of leving the filling station the way you did. If you'd used the pumps, then you would had to reverse out into the paths of any vehicles entering the station. If you'd parked before the pumps, you'd have to turn across any vehicles entering the station. I can't imagine anyone using what is obviously the exit to enter the station.

I can only presume you tried to save yourself driving a few hundred yards around the roundabout to enter Kneele Gardens and as a result you now have the hassle of dealing with an insurance claim. Was it worth it?

Hi yes reading up on the highway code it also says "179

Well before you turn right you should

• take up a position just left of the middle of the road or in the space marked for traffic turning right
• leave room for other vehicles to pass on the left, if possible.

180
Wait until there is a safe gap between you and any oncoming vehicle. Do not cut the corner. Take great care when turning into a main road; you will need to watch for traffic in both directions and wait for a safe gap.

But yes i inserted the centre-line due to where the crash happenes. As it looks like he cut the corner by quite alot so i wanted to highlight that. Thanks for all the replies.

Edited by conor111 on 05/03/2018 at 22:44

www.learnerdriving.com/ld-system/driving-lessons/c...m Also if you have a look at this it refers to unmarked cross roads stating "Neither road is the major road therefore proceed with extreme caution and be prepared to stop. Anticipating the actions of other drivers and driving at a speed that enables you to stop is critical. Priority regarding oncoming vehicles is not changed."

This is not a set of unmarked cross roads. All the other road users had traffic lights to observe. You didn't!

If the other roads all had red lights, you would have been making your manouvre when the pedestrian phase was in progress!

While I accept that you didn't go through an actual no entry (or no exit) sign, it's obvious that the logical (and intended route) is is to enter the filling station at the 1st junction (the one with the traffic lights) and exit via the 2nd junction (ie the one without traffic lights for any road user).

Can't see the 3rd party insurer paying out. It looks to be well and truly your fault. You should have used the proper exit and turned back at the roundabout.

Reading through the thread I was waiting for someone to say what Bromptonaut has just said. Both parties should have seen each other and proceeded with caution: but I'd have thought that the onus is on the driver turning right not to do so if there is a car coming in the opposite direction.

If your insurer is saying it's not your fault, go along with it and let them fight the other insurer.

Edited by Avant on 07/03/2018 at 00:06

That's a very considered and thoughtful response, Bromptonaut. I doubt that the insurers will look that far. Regardless of signage, both drivers were facing each other and should not have collided, both are liable - unless dashcam footage shows otherwise. I understand the OP's comments - but I also wonder what the other driver may be posting.

From the satellite image of the junction, the exit from the garage is more in line with the traffic from Kneele Gardens than the entrance to Keele Gardens so you would have to drive across his lane to exit

I'm not seeing that provided OP was (as his diagram broadly shows) on left side of forecourt access.

Part of problem is that right turn man appears to have cut the corner. If he'd done as he should and gone further towards filling station then made a 90 degree turn he'd probably have been OK.

*Cutting corners is a particular bugbear of mine. Over forty years since I passed my test and I can still hear my instructor's dulcet tones telling me not to turn into the expletive road until I could see down it.

I'm with the OP on this. He was going straight ahead. The other driver turned right across s him. Can you upload a hoto of your damage?

Edited by oldroverboy. on 07/03/2018 at 12:44