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Thu 25 Jan 2018 12:53
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - flyerdave01

I am considering changing my car this year to a BMW 320D ES but how might the new MOT changes affect this car.

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Thu 25 Jan 2018 17:05
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - RobJP

Which changes are you concerned about, and why ?

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Thu 25 Jan 2018 18:53
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - Brit_in_Germany

The 'any visible smoke and it is a fail' change, perhaps.

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Thu 25 Jan 2018 19:32
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - RobJP

The 'any visible smoke and it is a fail' change, perhaps.

Well, if the car was fitted with a DPF as original, and still has a correctly-functioning DPF, then the car should have no problems passing the test.

If, on the other hand, the DPF has been removed or 'gutted', then the car will fail the MOT, and require a new DPF to be fitted before it'll pass.

I see no problems with all that, personally.

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Thu 25 Jan 2018 21:33
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - SLO76
What age of 320D are you talking about? £20k of nearly new or £5k of liability money pit?
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Thu 25 Jan 2018 21:39
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - RobJP

Well, he's talking about the E90. So the 2005-2011 version.

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Thu 25 Jan 2018 23:35
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - SLO76

Well, he's talking about the E90. So the 2005-2011 version.

Could still be a mega mile £2k snotter or £12k minter. But yup unlikely to be £20k.
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Fri 26 Jan 2018 08:24
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - Brit_in_Germany

I would imagine there are a number of these older diesels driving around with no dpf and the cost of fitting a new filter to get though the MOT will be a substantial fraction of the car's value.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 09:21
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - RT

I would imagine there are a number of these older diesels driving around with no dpf and the cost of fitting a new filter to get though the MOT will be a substantial fraction of the car's value.

Only if the DPF's been removed - cars that didn't need one when new don't need to be retro-fitted.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 10:17
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - Brit_in_Germany

I think the dpf requirement came in with the Euro 4 standard for new models from 1 Jan 2005.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 14:58
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - TheUrbis

It didn't.

My 2010 Lancer 2.0 Diesel didn't have a DPF, neither does my 12 plate Transit Connect.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 17:46
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - RobJP

I think the dpf requirement came in with the Euro 4 standard for new models from 1 Jan 2005.

It became mandatory with Euro 5.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 17:54
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - Galaxy

If anyone would like some bedtime reading here is the draft of the new May 2018 MOT Testing Regulations:

www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attac...f

Happy Reading!

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 18:01
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - skidpan

I think the dpf requirement came in with the Euro 4 standard for new models from 1 Jan 2005.

It became mandatory with Euro 5.

Some Euro 4 cars needed DPF's to meet the requirments of the regs, some didn't.

With Euro 5 all cars and light vans registered from Jan 01 2011 had to be fitted with a DPF. No ifs, no buts.

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Fri 26 Jan 2018 21:49
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - balleballe

I think the dpf requirement came in with the Euro 4 standard for new models from 1 Jan 2005.

It became mandatory with Euro 5.

Some Euro 4 cars needed DPF's to meet the requirments of the regs, some didn't.

With Euro 5 all cars and light vans registered from Jan 01 2011 had to be fitted with a DPF. No ifs, no buts.

Unless you can find a Euro 4 registered in 2011 such as the last of the 2.2 ctdi engines in the civic. The idtecs had DPF's

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Sat 27 Jan 2018 00:15
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - SLO76
“With Euro 5 all cars and light vans registered from Jan 01 2011 had to be fitted with a DPF. No ifs, no buts.”

Yet here’s one registered April 2011 that doesn’t have one. Look and you’ll find some 61 plate examples too, again with no DPF fitted.

Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180126313...5


Here’s another registered June 2011 again no DPF fitted.
Auto Trader:

www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20180117283...8

Manufacturers were granted extensions to continue selling past the January cut off date if the car was a run out model or already in stock in the UK without the relevant equipment already fitted. Some others can be found registered in 2011 without one but the vast bulk of diesel cars by this stage had them.









Edited by SLO76 on 27/01/2018 at 00:25

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Sat 27 Jan 2018 08:45
BMW 3 Series E90 - New MOT effect on older diesel cars - RT

Control of diesel particulates (smoke & soot) has been a phased approach, starting with Euro 1.

Euro 4 was mandatory for new Type Approvals of diesels from January 2005, restricting the amount of PMs to 0.025 g/km. Some diesels needed a DPF to meet this standard.

Euro 5a was mandatory for new Type Approvals of diesels and direct injection petrols from September 2009, restricting the amount of PMs to 0.005 g/km. More diesels needed a DPF

Euro 5b was mandatory for new Type Approvals of diesels from September 2011, restricting the number of of PMs. The use of DPF was made mandatory

Euro 6 was mandatory for new Type Approvals of direct injection petrols from September 2014, restricting the number of of PMs. Euro 6 also further restricted the NOx emitted by diesels

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