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Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - Colin Palmer

After over a year of diagnosis with endless back and forwarding to the dealers workshop they have said I need a new engine. I have the Network Q Lifetime Warranty that was given to the first registered owners some years ago. The warranty compant (TWG) are sending their inspectors to clarify the diagnosis and make a decission weather the new engine is covered under this warranty. TWG have said they will only inspect the engine with the head taken off and they wont pay for this, neither will they pay for the engine to be put together if the claim is unsuccessful. The dealer is asking me for the OK to take the engine apart. The mileage is 77,000 and during the year the dealer has replaced the DPF, the EGR valve and one injector. I have only paid for the cost of the DPF, £1,000. Should I give the OK to take the head off for inspect even though I may be left with and engine in bits and liable for the cost. The dealer said they will cover the cost of taking the head off, but not putting it back. Thank you. Colin Palmer

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - RobJP

Too little information ...

You haven't mentioned, for example, how old the car is (apart from the original lifetime warranty 'some years ago', which is really vague). In addition, as far as I was aware, the 'lifetime warranty', only applied to the original owner, and wasn't transferable ?

Basically though, the dealership have agreed to pay the price of dismantling, leaving you with only the price of rebuilding IF the warranty claim is rejected.

Might I suggest you ASK them how much those rebuilding costs would be, as only then can you decide on whether or not you're willing to take that chance. If they turn around and say the bill would be £500, it's one thing. If they say £2,000, it's another matter entirely.

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - gordonbennet

''The mileage is 77,000 and during the year the dealer has replaced the DPF, the EGR valve and one injector. I have only paid for the cost of the DPF, £1,000''

Are we to assume these were supposed solutions (guesses) to an ongoing problem that has never been fixed, or is it one new problem after another.

If the former, a throw parts at it till we happen upon a fix method, then i wouldn't expect any great revelations when the head comes off, nor would i want them doing the job of diagnosis if the previous parts haven't fixed it.

If the latter, then once this problem is fixed what next?

Either way if the thing is running i'd be inclined to think about replacing the car before it costs you any more, as said the lifetime warranty wasn't transferable unless you know different, or if you really think it needs another engine but rest of car worth the expense then i'd try to find a genuine mileage (good luck with that) used lump which can go in complete.

Edited by gordonbennet on 22/05/2017 at 10:16

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - Colin Palmer

Thank you for the reply. I have an update from the Vauxhall dealewrship and a few more bits of information. I bought the car from the dealership when it was 8 mths old.It was first registered with the dealership. Under Vauxhalls Lifetime warranty, if the car was sold within the first year the warranty was passed to the second owner. They have since ditched this together with of course the Lifetime warranty. So there are only a few of the likes of me left, as most people sell their cars withing 5 years. Vauxhall/ Network Q no longer use TWG (The Warranry Group), but they still are contracted to look afer my claims. It conspires that the head gasket has 'gone', so a new complete engine is not required. TWG have inspected the car and asked for th ehead to be tested for warp. It is now with a specialist company for this testing of alighnment. Next week TWG will inform the Vauxhall dealership if I'm covered for which the dealership have confidence. In answer to your question were the DPF, EGR and injector replacements solutions to the original loss of power problems - yes they were. General Motors Customer Care are taking an interest and are in regular contact with the dealership and have told me there is an appeal process if TWG reject my claim. I'm not asking a question just stating where I am right now.

Thanks

Colin Palmer

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - RobJP

Sounds like Vauxhall / GM are looking after you well, now that the cause has been identified.

Nice to hear.

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - Colin Palmer

I've just taken a call from General Motors Customer Care informing me that Network Q have rejected the claim saying 'There is no evidence of mechanical failure to the head gasket at this time. The repair is not covered'.

The dealership, I've been told will contact me tomorrow. They, I understand are very concerned about the rejected claim and are doing their best to get the decission overturned and General Motors are preparing an appeal on my behalf. Have you evert heard of such a thing? What is the relationship between Net work Q and TWG the out sourced Warranty company - I will try and find out tomorrow. The question to be answered is what caused the head gasket to fail - I havn't had my car for around 6 months, so it's not down to me!

You might think that the dealer would say enough is enough and give me a new car - unlikely

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - SLO76
Warranty firms will often try to wriggle out of a claim, it a business so they'll try to save a buck if possible. They reject your claim then wait to see whether you'll fight them then more often than not they'll give in to avoid litigation or bad press. It's also likely they're questioning this claim because of the rarity for problems on the Isuzu 1700 diesel. I've seen these with half a million miles up and still running so this is an unusual case and definitely bad luck on your behalf. Keep fighting and you'll force a u-turn.

If they do just carry out a repair I'd offload it as soon as possible. Although it may be ok it's common for cars to become money pits after major surgery like this and it does sound as if it's been a Friday afternoon motor to start with.
Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - Colin Palmer

Well, I've just taken a call from the Now Vauxhall dealership and together with the General Motors Customer Care Team have managaed to pursuade TWG (The Warranty Group) to overturn their initial decission NOT to cover the cost to replace the head gasket. The first 'report' after inspecting the engine was 'no evidence of mechanical failure to the head gasket at this time - the repair is not covered'. The CEO of Now Vauxhall was on the case, so I'm assuming a few strings were pulled. I'd be very intersted to know how this was done, but I guess I'll never know! Never the less, a good result for me and Vauxhall of course. It doesnt show TWG in a paricularly good light though. Are you still in the same position as your previous post that I should really think about changing the car after such major works. Thank for your interest.

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - Colin Palmer

For yoiur info, this is the last communication sent to the dealership: I have deleated names!

Since taking delivery of our car and completing some 600 miles it seems to be running well with no faults occurring so we are relieved.

We feel we need to send a final communication copied to CEO Now Vauxhall, General Manger at S.. branch and at General Motors UK Ltd, Customer Care Centre.

There is no need for us to repeat the events that started when we first took our car to Now Vauxhall in Marlborough back in April 2016 as it has been well documented and sent previously to all concerned. We would however like to comment, voice our opinion and seek answers in a number of areas. To remind you, since April the following parts have been replaced: the EGR valve, one diesel injector, the DPF and finally the head gasket.

Since April we have had as courtesy cars; three different Vauxhall Vivas, an Insignia, a Mokka and finally a long term loan of a Meriva. The point here being that our car has not been driven much by us, but instead been in your possession undertaking repairs and diagnosis. With so many parts being replaced one after another it is our opinion that a ’throw parts at it ’till we happen upon a fix’ method has been adopted rather than a full and proper investigation and diagnostic approach from the start which we would have expected from such a large dealership.

The replacement of the head gasket has no doubt fixed the problem, but what caused this to fail? Why wasn’t this diagnosed earlier? Also what caused the DPF to fail and the injector? If the faulty injector was over fueling and chocked the DPF then continual forced regens (which HAS happened) could have lead to ‘melting’ of the DPF and therefore we should not have had to pay in excess of the £1,000 we were charged for the replacement of this expensive part.

When the DPF was fitted, you will remember that we asked for the car to be released to us to drive for a while to make sure that the problem had been fixed before we paid. This you refused saying that you were confident that this replacement would solve the problem. After just a day the problem, a lack of power returned. This we feel was a grave error on your part and we now insist on the refund of this amount.


On further inspection it was realised that the head gasket was at fault and required replacing. This was a major repair, but you were confident that it would be covered by our warranty. After inspection TWG made a decision that the head gasket failed not because of a manufacturing fault and therefore was not covered by the warranty. They were correct of course it was not a manufacturing fault, so what did cause the gasket to fail?

At this point we’d like to mention the support we have had from Kevin Flynn at General Motors. He worked tirelessly on our behalf trying to move things along. Finally, as you know Vauxhall UK paid for the replacement of the head gasket. We weren’t informed why they made this decision or how it came about. We are of course thank full.

Despite all of the untold millions of products and services for sale in todays market place us customers will exchange our hard earned money for only two things: Good feelings and solutions to problems. I think you’ll agree that Now Vauxhall has failed us on both accounts.

Mr & Mrs C Palmer

Vauxhall Astra J 1.7CDi - New Engine Waranty Claim - Bradleigh harris

Hi, I hope this some how finds its way to you.

I have an Astra J 1.7CDI like you. I have been trying to diagnose the problem for 2 months and it sounds very similar to yours. It began with a DPF error message, so I took it for a static regen and clean, it didn't do it so I was advised to change the injectors which I also done. Now I am being told there is no compression, and it is probably the head gasket?

Does this sound like what you went through? I am not sure whether to go ahead as i may have to fork out for head gasket to find it doesn't solve the problem.

Thanks in advance. I would really appreciate a reply.