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Just over limit on beach - Garf

Hi, my partner decided to spend his day off with a mate going to Skegness. On the way they had a drink but then proceeded to drive the car onto a beach close to the town with the intention of stopping for a while by the sea and then walking into the town for a couple of hours. They opened a can of lager each and sat close to the car but in the meantime a local called the police as the car should not have been on the sand (which was stuck anyway and needed the council to tow it off).
As the coppers saw the drinks cans my partner was breathalysed & was positive. At the machine at the station he blew .9 over (about half a pint). He explained the circumstances and the police said they would be in touch if they decide to take the matter further.
Given that he was out of the car, not parked on a public road, intending to walk into town and not have anymore to drink, being about half a pint over and given the fact the police saw him drinking on the beach after the car was parked, what might be the outcome? Thank you

Just over limit on beach - RT

He MAY get charged with the drink-drive offence - others have been prosecuted for sleeping it off in the car in a pub car park as they still had keys so were legally still in charge of the vehicle.

I'm not aware of anything he can do but wait to see if he gets a summons.

Just over limit on beach - RobJP

The beach is a public area, and will be treated in law as a public highway.

As to the (supposed) intention of going into town for a couple of hours, it all depends on whether he is believed or not, and circumstances will dicatate that. For example, if the keys were still in the ignition, then it shows an intent to drive - whether or not the car was stuck in the sand.

Also, your partner was, according to what you said, only on his first can of beer. And yet failed a breath test. So that indicates that he had been drinking already. So he's shown to not be entirely honest.

Best case : nothing happens.

Worst case : conviction for drink-driving. Minimum 12 month ban (assuming first DD offence).

Just over limit on beach - Garf

Thanks for the reply. As I stated near to the start of the thread, they had stopped on the way for a drink earlier so the can then took him over the limit. The keys were out of the ignition at the time.

Just over limit on beach - daveyjp

Police can take action if they believe a person is likely to drive a vehicle whilst under the influence.

As the car had been driven to the beach at some point it would need to be removed - that could well be enough.

An ex colleague's son was done for DUI after returning to his car to get something from it before getting a taxi to a friend's after a night in the pub. Despite quite a solicitors bill he lost his Court case.

Just over limit on beach - RobJP

Yes, apologies, I'd missed that bit.

It used to be the case (many years ago), that people could, when stopped by the police, have a quick slug out of a hip flask, thus making it difficult to show that they had been driving over the limit, as they could have gone over the limit from that last bit. The law was changed to prevent people using that loophole.

I'd suspect this would be viewed by the courts as a similar situation.

In the meantime, all your partner can do is wait. Action is usually prompt if it is to occur, but, in law, it can be anything up to 6 months.

Just over limit on beach - Garf

Many thanks for the reply. Guess we will wait and see, according to my partner the police were nice and seemed to genuinely believe that he was not intending to drive but of course this is certainly no guarantee.

Just over limit on beach - concrete

The police will only present their report and evidence to the CPS. It is the CPS who will decide to charge or not and with what to charge him. It is a lottery. Some of the CPS people I have observed are hopeless, others very good. If they have a slow week they may decide to charge as this looks like an easy case to prosecute. If they are busy they may give your partner the benefit of the doubt. It is all a waiting game. They have quite a lot of time to decide what to do, months I think, because your partner was almost certainly arrested. You are in for a tense wait. Just goes to show how careful you have to be when in charge of a vehicle.

Cheers Concrete

Just over limit on beach - Middleman

The legal limit in breath is 35 micrograms. When you say he recorded ".9 over the limit" do you mean he blew 35.9? Most forces do not prosecute below 41 micrograms. If he blew 35.9 he should have been told at the time that no action would be taken. In fact it is unusual to have a reading expressed to a decimal point. It would usually be 36.

If he was indeed over the usual threshold for action he may be charged with being "in charge" whilst over the limit. There has to be evidence of driving to support a "driving over the limit" charge. The In Charge offence does not carry a mandatory disqualification but 10 points if no disqualification is ordered.

Although the police have six months to begin court action they do not usually take that long for an excess alcohol charge.

Edited by Middleman on 21/04/2017 at 18:01

Just over limit on beach - Garf

Thanks for the reply Middleman. I am assuming that being half a pint over he means 44 ( based on roughly 2 pints being 35) rather than being 35.9. I have not spoken to him since to clarify.

It's just a waitimg game now but I will let everyome lnow the outcome.

Just over limit on beach - Brit_in_Germany
I do not see an offence having been committed here. He was not in control of the vehicle which I think is the relevant wording.
Just over limit on beach - RT
I do not see an offence having been committed here. He was not in control of the vehicle which I think is the relevant wording.

The relevant words are "an offence to drive, attempt to drive or be in charge of a motor vehicle with a blood alcohol concentration that exceeded the maximum prescribed legal limit"

The term "in charge" is used not "in control".

On an irreverent note - if you're completely bladdered you're probably not in control of anything!

Just over limit on beach - glidermania

Think the OP needs to get Mr Loophole lawyer on the case. The police needs to wait a minimum 30 minutes after last drink to get an accurate reading in the station. If he blew over in the station under the 30 mins, he may get off.

Also, if the car was stuck in the sand, AND needed recovering by a tow truck so the police cannot reasonably argue he could have driven it whilst still under the influence. By the time the car may have been recovered and he may have been under the limit seeing as he blew 0.9 over.

Just over limit on beach - Brit_in_Germany

You are quite rigtht RT, that is the wording in the statute. For interpreting what "in charge" means, the PNLD refers (or at least it used to) to being in control as the test. Section 5(2) would also probably provide a defence in this case if the car was physically incapable of being driven.

Just over limit on beach - Middleman

Yes, Mr Loophole (Nick Freeman) may be able to assist but I doubt it.

Firstly, I doubt it was less than 30 minutes between his last drink and taking the evidential test at the Nick. By the time he’d been transported there and checked in I would imagine that 30 mins would be long gone. Secondly, whilst the “driving” charge may be difficult to maintain the “in charge” offence may be a little more sticky. It is not for the prosecution to argue that the vehicle could not have been driven. They simply need to prove that the defendant was “in charge” of the vehicle and that he was over the limit. There is a statutory defence to the charge but the onus falls on the defendant to prove:

“…that at the time he is alleged to have committed the offence the circumstances were such that there was no likelihood of his driving the vehicle whilst the proportion of alcohol in his breath, blood or urine remained likely to exceed the prescribed limit.”

So with the vehicle apparently beached he would have to prove (on the balance of probabilities) that it was unlikely he would have driven it whilst still over the limit. He would have to demonstrate how long it was likely to take to recover the vehicle and would also have to produce expert evidence to show that his alcohol level would have returned to legal levels in that time. It is not an easy defence to run. Mr Freeman may be able to help but we still don’t know just what his evidential reading was. I’ve never seen one quoted in decimal points and I’ve certainly not seen a charge laid with a reading as low as 35.9. So the OP will have to wait and see.

Update - Just over limit on beach - Garf

After speaking to my partner I can report the reading at the police station was 44. However, they did not offer a blood sample and due to the fact he had a can of lager on the beach which apparently may have been captured on CCTV, they let him go with 'released under investigation' 'postal charging advice papers related to possible criminal damage (there was a broken sign nearby that he did not break - again my be on CCTV) and the drink related charge. The police said they may contact him again either by phone or post if they need any further information or if it goes to court.

I will keep you all updated.

Edited by Garf on 24/04/2017 at 02:49

Update - Just over limit on beach - TheBroker
Looking at what op said

1) car was parked
2) person was not in car
3) car was disabled
4) keys not in ignition

There is no case, cps wouldn't bother as no way can they prove beyond reasonable doubt the person drove over the limit or was going to.

I would be more than shocked if this went anywhere, based on info provided.

Even an inexperienced junior lawyer could tear this apart in about 30 seconds.

All the best,
TheBroker (who happens to be legally qualified)
Update - Just over limit on beach - HGV ~ P Valentine

All of above is irrelevant when not parked outside home.

You can and will get done for sitting in the driving seat with the vehicle parked and keys are not in the ignition as you are still controlling the movement of the vehicle, the dictionary states ...

DRIVING ... Getting in the vehicle for the purposes of controlling the vehicle, whether stationary or not.

Car being dfisabled only works if the vehicle has broken down and cannot be driven, even then the police will not give you the benefit of the doubt as they will convict and get it on the grounds that you must have been drunk when you drove it there.

Just over limit on beach - HGV ~ P Valentine

I agree with most of what others say you can only wait, the biggest problem you have is that you can't prove you was sober when you DROVE the car to the beach, so whether you did or did not intend to drive it further is largely irrelevant, as it had to be driven by someone to get there in the first place.

Why you and many others choose to drink and drive anyway means I have no sympathy for you, I am an advocate of zero alcohol when you drive and the sooner they change the law to .1 the better, then everyone knows 1 mouthful puts you over the limit.

The other thing is it takes time for alcohol to show in the system, which might be why they are prosecuting, as they think you must have been drunk while driving it there, and with the alcohol level taking time to go away from your system, its a sure guilty verdict.

Anyway I hope this has been a wake up call for you, and next time you want a day out you won't be stupid enough to drink and drive, stick to coke or go by train/ coach or bus.