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Any - Dilema - Car

I currently drive a 12 year old Skoda TDI with 130PD engine which is approaching 120,000, to date the car has been reliable and is regularly serviced by independent VAG specialist, however I am not sure how long the car will remain reliable and start to cost money to run more than normal.

I like the way diesels drive with plenty of low down torque and the mpg which is easily obtainable (best 71mpg, average 49mpg).

I am therefore considering replacing within the next 12 months, I like the VAG 1.4 TSI however for my next car I would prefer to have an auto which if I stick with VAG means a DSG, taking the following into account what other alternatives would people recommend I consider.

  • Budget up to £7,000
  • Must be able to tow 500kg unbraked trailer tent
  • Octavia sized boot
  • Up to 6 years old
  • Do an average of 45mpg
  • 0-60 time of 10 secs or under
Any - Dilema - RobJP

If it's currently reliable, keep it. One of the best diesel engine designs in the last century. It'll be due a belt/tensioner/waterpump change in another 20k miles, but should easily make 200k miles if well looked after.

If you must change it, and insist on an auto, then a VAG DSG should be avoided at all costs.

Any - Dilema - Car

If not a DSG then what autos should I consider ?

Any - Dilema - SLO76
What sort of usage will the car see? Is it for mainly short local stop start driving or mostly distance at motorway speeds?

I'd be inclined to keep what you've got until something major goes wrong. The 1.9 PD 130 was a great engine that'll do 500k if looked after correctly, has loads of pull, good fuel economy and isn't burdened with a DPF.

As for buying a modern turbo diesel with an autobox. I'd also avoid anything with a DSG box, there's just too much to go wrong and sadly all to often it does. It's a nice thing when it's working though aside from the initial hesitation reported by many owners when pulling away.

Two options spring to mind if you must have a diesel and want to tick your performance and economy requirements. One is a 2008-09 Honda Accord 2.2 diesel auto and the other is a Hyundai i40 1.7 diesel auto. Both are well made and long lived and the Accord isn't known for DPF issues but turbo failure, rattling timing chains and gummed up EGR valves are common on cars without full service records preferably from a main dealer who understands what is a complex engine.

However both will be approaching a six figure mileage at this price range so I'd suggest finding a little more money down the back of the sofa and buying a younger lower mileage example of either. The Accord is probably more my thing especially the Tourer but there's little wrong with the big Hyundai.



Any - Dilema - SLO76
There's a fair number of 13 plate Kia Cee'd's around with the 1.6 diesel mated to an auto box with reasonable sub 50k mileages around your budget. Buy one with a full dealer history and the remainder of the 7yr warranty will be very reassuring. No idea what the towing capacity is but it's a torquey enough engine.
Any - Dilema - RT

Apart from the handful of car models not Type Approved for towing at all, any car will have a towing limit higher than 500kg - and have a kerbweight over 1000kg (the ratio needed for unbraked trailers) - so that aspect of your requirement shouldn't be an issue.

Any - Dilema - skidpan
  • Budget up to £7,000
  • Must be able to tow 500kg unbraked trailer tent
  • Octavia sized boot
  • Up to 6 years old
  • Do an average of 45mpg
  • 0-60 time of 10 secs or under

My immediate reaction would be another Octavia. All your requirements would be met by the 1.4 TSi or even a 1.2 TSi

An alternative would be the Seat Leon 1.4 TSi but the hatch has a smaller boot and the ST (estate) has probably not dipped below £7000 yet unless is a high mileage tatty example.

As an example come March just over £7000 would buy my 2013 Leon 1.4 TSi 140 PS with under 30,000 miles on the clock.

2 questions

Why do you mention 0 - 6- time. In the real world its irrelevant unless you are a boy racer intent on winning every traffic light grand prix. The in gear times i.e. 30 - 50 and 50 -70 are much more relevant and the 1.4 TSi excels in these, even the 1.2 TSi goes as well as most normally aspirated 2 litre petrols.

Why do you want an auto. If its for medical needs fair enough, if its just to save changing gear yourself forget it and get a manual.

Personally I would not buy a VAG DSG (hate all auto's but the 6 speed diesel DSG must be my biggest hate - 7 speed petrol was better) but it is a fact that a vast majority of these boxes have given trouble free service for many years. Here is the problem, go on any VAG forum and you will find a large number of owners who have their cars chipped to beyond the limits of the box (VAG limit the torque of the engines to protect the boxes - example, that is why the 1.8 TSI and 1.4 TSi have the same max torque) and sell them just as the warranty expires. They thrash them constantly and post vidoes on Face Tube and U Book etc and happily say that its the next owners problem when the car inevitably breaks. Get a carefully driven and well maintained example and it should be fine. Never read about a 1.2 TSI DSG having problems, probably because no one chips them and the engine performance is well within the boxes limits.

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Annual mileage is 11,000 (consiting of 32 mile round commute with about 4 miles being stop start; aprox 500 miles towing; aprox 500 motorways & aprox 1600 miles consting of a mixture of journeys from 2miles to 50 miles).

With regards to unbraked trailer weights being 50% of the cars kerb weight in respect of some cars this doesn't seem to be the case, for example the Toyota Arius (non hybrid) as a kerb weight of approx 1400kg but only has a unbraked towing limit of 450kg.

I am considering an automatic as the 4 miles of my commute is quite oftern at an average speed of 6mph so a lot of clutch pumping and aching leg.

Fully appreciate the comments about 0-60 times being a irelevant however it's not that easy to find 30-50mph times always, does anyone know of any sites that provide this useful information?

Any - Dilema - SLO76
This is an example of what I'd be looking at. There's also a 25,000 mile saloon with lower spec but one owner and full dealer history on at £8k. via Auto Trader #DrivenByMe
www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/20161118988...1

Edited by SLO76 on 24/12/2016 at 09:46

Any - Dilema - craig-pd130

Fully appreciate the comments about 0-60 times being a irelevant however it's not that easy to find 30-50mph times always, does anyone know of any sites that provide this useful information?

The only website that carries full performance data that includes in-gear acceleration (30-50 in 3rd&4th, 50-70 etc) is AutoExpress - but only for cars that they have actually road-tested themselves. Autocar used to have all this data but they (stupidly, in my view) removed it all a couple of years back.

The problem you'll have is, the PD130 motor is a hard act to beat in terms of in-gear grunt and go, especially in a lighter car like your Skoda.

Any - Dilema - skidpan

Or any of these 3

www.autotrader.co.uk/car-search?sort=year-desc&...5

All will still have manufacturers warranty remaining if fully serrviced but better if its a Kia service history.

Any - Dilema - Car

The only website that carries full performance data that includes in-gear acceleration (30-50 in 3rd&4th, 50-70 etc) is AutoExpress - but only for cars that they have actually road-tested themselves. Autocar used to have all this data but they (stupidly, in my view) removed it all a couple of years back.

The problem you'll have is, the PD130 motor is a hard act to beat in terms of in-gear grunt and go, especially in a lighter car like your Skoda.

I am at a lost why no one now provides the more useful 20-60, 30-50, 50-70 times as in the real world these have more meaning than the trye shredding and clutch running 0-60