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Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Joe Griffin

I own a 12 year old Peugeot Boxer campervan with a 2.0 HDI engine. Last week the rocker arms on cylinder 1 suddenly broke while I was driving on the motorway. I wasn't speeding up or changing gear or anyhing, just cruising at a constant speed. At first I thought that the exhaust had blown and I pulled over. There was a knocling noise from the top of the engine. I called the AA and eventually I had to be taken back to my home on a recovery truck as the guys could not definitely identify the fault on the roadside.

My mechanic eventually identified the issue and has replaced the broken rockers. So what would cause this to happen? Engine has about 38k miles on the clock. 12 years old. Does not get used much over the winter months except for short local journeys. I had the timing belt replaced just before this happened and had driven about 60 miles but the mechanic said everything was OK, it had not jumped a tooth or become damaged. But unfortunately I didn't actually see the belt either on the engine or after he took it off. He had the whole thing sorted and rebuilt before he told me he had solved the problem.

Thanks

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - RichardW

" I had the timing belt replaced just before this happened and had driven about 60 miles but the mechanic said everything was OK, it had not jumped a tooth or become damaged"

I think there's your answer. Likely that he got it wrong the first time and on cranking or running the engine the first time the piston kissed a valve and cracked the rocker. Timing issue was fixed, but the clock was ticking on the rocker which later failed. Impossible to prove of course.... Belt failure is not too bad on this engine as the rockers go first, so no need to take the head off - although new rockers are not cheap.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Joe Griffin

Thanks for the reply. At least I know what likely happened. The mechanic only replaced the rockers that had broken. He said you got a second hand pair. Should I be worried?

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Bromptonaut

Belt failure is not too bad on this engine as the rockers go first, so no need to take the head off - although new rockers are not cheap.

Presumably this is same first geneneration 2.0 HDi as was in my Xantia? Had a cambelt slip on that and main victims were the rockers. Are they frangible by design?

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Railroad.
Simple. The valve timing moved and the pistons came into contact with the valves. It was repaired in a hurry because your mechanic knew what had happened. Think yourself lucky it broke the rockers. It could've been far worse.
Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Joe Griffin

Thanks Railroad.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Cyd

So what would cause this to happen?

Years ago I had a series of rocker arms break on my Sunbeam rally car engine. It got annoying (and not finishing events was becoming costly) after the third time. I had the broken rocker looked at by a metallurgist and he believed there had been a casting flaw from which a crack had propagated. So I obtained a big box of arms, had them all inspected and picked the best. I then polished them up, before rebuilding with new shafts and replacing the whole rocker assy on the engine. I never suffered another breakage. It’s likely though that the heavy duty double valve spring system was overloading the arms compared to their design capability and maybe they’d have never broke if left in a standard engine.

This problem almost certainly does not affect yours however. Not least of all because you suffered two broken arms at the same time and in the same cylinder. I would suggest that the chances of any kind of manufacturing defect afflicting two distinct components such as to cause such a failure are vanishingly small. It would seem to me that some outside influence is far more likely to be the root cause.

The rockers would not have been disassembled from the head whilst changing the timing belt, so cannot have been dropped for example. So what could be the possible cause? Well, you’re never going to know, but maybe something was dropped onto the rockers in situ. Or, as hinted at, maybe the engine was turned over with the belt removed (maybe the van needed to be moved part way through the job and had to be pushed but had been left in gear?).

It also seems rather “circumstantial” that the repair was carried out in rather a “hurry”. However I don’t think there is sufficient evidence to make any accusations. Maybe this chap is an otherwise excellent mechanic and there is no-one else you’d like to go to, in which case you don’t want to ‘burn any bridges’. When you pay him (or next time you’re there if you’ve already paid) drop some hints into the conversation that you don’t understand how it could have happened, that maybe they’d been damaged somehow, comment on the chances (as mentioned above). See if he fesses up.

If you can find someone else, maybe be more assertive and question him and see what he comes back with. If it is anything he knows he did, he’d be daft to risk loosing a regular customer over a piffling mistake.

You may just have to suck it up and put it down to ‘chance’ though. Be prepared for that possibility.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - hardway

Rockers are a weak spot on these engines.

I always replace all and if memory serves the Peugeot don't sell the old type,

they've been upgraded.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - edlithgow

"Sacrificial" rocker arms don't sound too bad if the alternative is wrecking the valves (and maybe pistons).

If the timing belt broke on this engine, is it likely serious damage would be limited to the rocker arms?

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - hardway

I've actually done a few where no valve damage was done after belt breakage.

I did leakage test a cylinders on all of them and they all held pressure so just a case of new uprated rockers and belt kit and they were back on the road.

I don't doubt sometimes not all the rockers would be damaged but I would't risk it.

All or nothing.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Peter.N.

I believe the engine was designed this way so that cam belt failure would not destroy the engine. The 2.1 XUD engine also had sacrificial rocker arms.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - Malc Vidler

Snap! Just replace your Peugeot details with the following:

13 year old Ciroen Xzara Picasso

85k miles

And my story is identical. Replaced cam belt, 60 miles, broken rocker arm.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - John F

Two more sad examples of expensive damage after cack-handed cambelt replacements, one of which I contend was totally unnecessary at a mere 38,000m. Modern aramid belts don't deteriorate significantly with age.

Peugeot Boxer - Why did the rocker arms break? - RobJP

As you seem to have conveniently lost your way to the other current thread on the subject of cambelts John, any chance of finding all (or any) this lovely evidence that other regular people are coming around to your way of thinking ?

Or will you suddenly lose your way to this thread too ?