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N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - focussed

More accurately - if the motion can get approval they will ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025.

www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/n...l

Elon Musk apparently thinks it's a wonderful idea - he tweets.

He would say that I guess- he makes electric cars.

A bit hypocritical IMHO seeing as Norway is a large oil producer - they will be quite happy to take the oil revenues from their oilfields in the North Sea but ban petrol and diesel fuelled cars from their roads.

N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - Bolt

Like London wants clean air by 2020 that isnt going to happen, experts reckon 2030 at the earliest.

I just got back from Florida and while there looked at the new Civic, salesman reckoned there is a report in America saying electric cars are worst than diesels for dust emissions

N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - Engineer Andy

Dust emissions? As far as I know, electric-only cars don't emit anything. On the other hand, generating the electrical power needed causes lots of pollutants to be emitted at the power stations. Wind/solar/wave energy cannot make up the difference (at the moment at least) by any stretch of the imagination.

N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - RT

More accurately - if the motion can get approval they will ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025.

www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/n...l

Elon Musk apparently thinks it's a wonderful idea - he tweets.

He would say that I guess- he makes electric cars.

A bit hypocritical IMHO seeing as Norway is a large oil producer - they will be quite happy to take the oil revenues from their oilfields in the North Sea but ban petrol and diesel fuelled cars from their roads.

If you read the text, rather than the headline, it's just a ban on the sales of new i/c cars so they gradually disappear, not a ban on their use.

The Norwegian economy is heavily dependent on oil revenue, which has significantly reduced due to the prolonged slump in oil price - they want to stimulate their own initiatives to replace that economy - and Norway's mountains have plenty of scope for generation of hydro-electric and pumped-storage hydro-electric electricity, which is pollution-free.

Tesla already sell large numbers of their cars in Norway.

Edited by RT on 05/06/2016 at 03:18

N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - csgmart

On balance I think it's a good idea. If car manufacturers know when the days of ic engine cars are numbered they might be inclined to spend even more on developing the replacement technologies a bit faster which means when the time comes most people can make the switch without having range anxiety or struggling to find a suitable charging point away from home.

With enough warning the infrastructure to support mass use of electric powered vehicles could be put in place.

It's true that fossil fuels will be used for many years to come to make the electricity needed to support a wider take up of electric cars but 'greener' technologies will replace fossil fuels eventually. I'll proably be long gone before this happens but its almost a certainty - progress sometimes needs a gentle push in the right direction and an incentive to design, build and implement an alternative solution will come - gradually.

Edited by csgmart on 05/06/2016 at 14:27

N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - Engineer Andy

The problem is that we need to be realistic about how we generate the extra electricity to power such vehicles - don't forget we waste a very significant percentage of the electricity generated via transmission losses, never mind the generation process itself is far less efficient than others, such as combined heat and power (which makes use of the waste energy).

Additionally, electric vehicles still have very limited ranges and/or compromised load space and low speed handling/ride quality due to battery technology not really advancing that much (depsite so much of modern society being battery-powered), especially when the downsides of using some new-er battery types (e.g. lithium-ion) are factored in (overheating/explosion risk).

To be honest, in the medium term, hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles stand a far better chance if cheap hyrodgen production/safe and secure storage and transportation on a world-wide scale can be achieved, given it is probably even greener than electric if the generation (via fossil fuels) is taken into account.

N/A - Norway to ban all fossil fuelled cars by 2025. - Vitesse6

Something like this

harvardmagazine.com/2015/05/the-bionic-leaf

may be the way forward. Certainly the knowledge that the days of the current ic engines are numbered could be the catalyst that is required to stiumlate more research and development.