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Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Cambelt snapped in the middle of the road,almost leading to fatal accident.Needs complete new engine costing £5000+

Car is 5 years old,38,000 miles on the clock. Renault's expected lifespan for Laguna cambelt is 6 years/ 96,000 miles. They are now insisting I pay 40% of the cost. 2 problems: 1) I don't have £2000 2) I don't see why I am liable. That car's been serviced every year at the Renault dealer where it was bought,the latest just 3000 miles ago. If I was told cambelt should be changed, I would have had it done. Any advice welcome.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - focussed

See if you can negotiate that you only pay the dealer's labour to change the motor, and get Renault to pay for the motor and associated parts- they should free issue the new motor and parts to the dealer, it costs an importer peanuts to do this.

You have a slight advantage here in that Renault have admitted partial liablity here-see if you can get them to come across with a little more.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - oldroverboy.

Personally, I would ask some of the motoring press to intervene, perhaps even HJ, (who is I add highly respected because he is not always on the side of the motorist when things are doubtful or "taking the ""MICK"" ")

An engine block costs Renault about £500 ish, so they could do better for you, and after my experiences over 35 years in the trade, I know that my boss would be pressing very hard for you, especially if you have a full Renault service history.

Stay Polite, and escalate gently and ultimately be prepared to go down the legal route, but if your facts are correct, you don't have much to fear.

Good luck!

Edited by oldroverboy. on 29/04/2016 at 20:28

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Very encouraging. Thanks for taking the time to reply.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Wackyracer

Have you tried speaking directly to Renault customer relations about this?

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - John F

Interesting. What made it snap? Why does Renault have such cautious replacement advice intervals? Is there something wrong with the design? Are Renault belts made of cheese?

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Galaxy

The Renault cambelt, by comparison to some of the others, is very thin.

I do know they've reduced the recommended service intervals for this item on all models over the years.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

To wackyracer,

RCS is the stumbling block. Local dealership seems embarrassed by the situation but Customer Services insist it's not their problem and I should feel lucky that they're contributing 60% as a 'goodwill gesture.'

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Cyd

Two questions:

1) How did this lead to a "near fatal" accident? A snapping belt (or a stalled engine) does not lead to loss of control of the car.

2) Why does this mean a "complete new engine"? What damage did the snapping belt cause?

Comment:

Ref 1): Do not be tempted to exagerate the seriousness of the incident. If you do end up in court, you'd be made to look a right chump.

Ref 2): a snapped belt usually results on bent valves and a head rebuild plus some other minor work should come in around £1K to £2K. Even if you've ended up with a holed piston I wouldn't expect to shell out that much to have it rebuilt. Of course your dealer wants to sell you a new engine - think of the profit for them!!

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Bromptonaut

Two questions:

1) How did this lead to a "near fatal" accident? A snapping belt (or a stalled engine) does not lead to loss of control of the car.

The OP doesn't say there was an accident but implies a 'near miss'. Cambelt failure caused more than just loss of powere with damage sufficient to seriously reduce rpm?

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Thanks to everybody who took the time to reply.RCS have been 'sitting on this' for the past 2 months which is why exasperation(desperation even)is setting in

Specifically to Cyd,

1) I must tell the wife (who was driving) to stop making such a fuss. A car 'dying' at 60 in the middle of the motorway shouldn't be such a big deal.

2) Well,yeah, that's my whole point. Renault are profiteering on ME, a loyal customer for the past 10 years.

Check out my original post. Their dealerships now have notices advising you to cahnge your cambelts at 75,000 miles (96,000 for Lagunas.) Ours snapped at 38,000. So it's partly our fault ?

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - RicardoB

Just out of interest, which engine have you got?

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - daveyK_UK
Which engine are you referring to?

Engines cost manufacturers a few hundred pounds, including all the hassle of importing one to the UK a very generous cost to Renault to supply an engine is £500.

Their request for you to pay £2000 towards the cost is scandalous as your car has full main dealer service history.

Raise this issue on Facebook, Twitter and write to the head of Renault UK and Renault international. This is appalling customer service from Renault as you have clearly kept your car maintained to their recommendations.

As the sums are low, you should also consider the small claims court - the engine was clearly not fit for purpose and you can prove to a judge you followed the Renault maintenance schedule perfectly.


If you didn't have full service history or had skipped a service, I would be 100% behind Renault for refusing you any good will.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - John F

The OP might be interested in this 2004 thread which ran for 3yrs

www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/?t=24075

I need to update my contribution of ten yrs ago; our 16yr old Focus has now done 113,000m and I shall be inspecting and belt-dressing its original belt when the weather gets a bit warmer.

Some of the old cautious comments are amusing, but I suppose many belts in those days were still made of inferior material. I suspect perfectly good quality original belts were, and possibly still are, replaced by thinner belts of inferior material by unscrupulous 'bargain' garages. But it does seem that Renault made them out of cheese-rind.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Thanks,DaveyK, my sentiments entirely. It's actually the wife's car and she has insisted on getting it serviced at the main dealership every year. In fact,this is her second Laguna so that makes 10 years of continuous loyal service ; to a company that obviously doesn't value loyalty. Only upside to this is that you don't often get the chance to tell your wife, 'told you so' and have her then agree with you !

To RicardoB, engine is 1.6.

To all others, thank you for your encouraging replies

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - gordonbennet

If they upped the contribution a bit it wouldn't actually be a bad solution, better if you intend another few years use from the car, then a genuine low mileage engine to help selling on.

Given the age of the car you're getting into a betterment argument from them which is understandable, plus had the belt not gone then another year and you would have a serious bill for belt change to fork out for.

If you could get your contribution down to £1500 i suggest the deal to be not bad at all, what would the belt replacement have been next year?, knocking on the door of £4/500 i would imagine, knowing european car design it won't be an hours simple job.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - RicardoB

1.6? Are you sure it's a Laguna coupé? They only come with either 2.0 petrol (mega rare) 2.0 dCI diesel (150 or 180bhp) fairly rare, and 3.0 v6 diesel, supremely rare.

The 2.0 diesels are chain cam - have to admit that I don't know about the 2.0 petrol and V6 diesel, but at least we can say they are not 1.6 engines.

For what it's worth (I am a Renault dealer customer with a Laguna coupe) I have found that in recent years, the customer service both at the dealer and also at HQ have always been knowledgeable and helpful.

Hope you resolve the issues.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Sorry,RicardoB,it's not a couupe. As I mentioned,it's the wife's car and I don't have much to do with it. Laguna Dynamique 5 door hatchback diesel,1461cc. is the acual model. Regarding Renault, the local dealership seems empathetic ,even slightly embarrassed, but HQ (RCS) is discaiming responsibility.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Gordonbennet, thanks for post but I'm not sure I agree .£1500 is still an awful lot to pay for something which I consider to be Renault's fault.

We were actually going to trade it in next September but,even if we didn't ,I would have got the cambelt changed in view of the 6 year recommended time frame.

I'm also not sure whether a new engine with very low mileage helps to sell it on . If I'm looking at a 6 year old car with 5000 miles on it,alarm bells start ringing.

I guess my main point is that,if Renault cambelts are going to go at 38,000 miles,they shouldn't be claiming they'll last to 75,000 (or in the Laguna's case,96,000)

Thanks again

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Cyd

I was serious, pal. IF this ends up in court, then the court will only be interested in FACTS. Keep emotion out of it.

You didn't answer my question 2. I was going to make further recommendation depending upon the actual damage, but since you seem to prefer to be snide and snotty, I'm out!

Oh, and you didn't tell us anything about the circumstances of the failure, did you? We're not mind readers!

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Christ Cyd,calm down. If i sounded 'snide and snotty' please accept my apologies. I appreciate your contribution but,regarding point 1, there's a wider issue here about the consequences of a cambelt suddenly snapping. Almost every week , you hear about somebody crashing on the motorway and immediately it's a case of 'the guy must have fallen asleep' or 'he had a blackout (the latest, last week in France). After the wife's experience, I'm beginning to wonder. Regarding point 2, I really don't know what to say.Renault have quoted £5200 for the repair (the diagnostics, incidentally,were £600 +) and, as she's always got the work done at the main dealership, she's reluctant to go anywhere else. Even if it's a rip off. Thanks again for your time.(especially the facts/emotion comments)

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - brum

I would imagine that a cambelt snapping at speed could be quite dramatic, depending on whether it locks the engine or not.

Possible loss of PAS, and Brake servo assistance. Locking of driven wheels a possibility.

Consequential damage to clutch and drivetrain likely.

Even the inevitable complete loss of power, depending on the moment, e.g. during an overtaking manouver, could lead to fatal consequences.

I once lost all power during a critical overtaking situation (due to transient error from dual track throttle position sensor that caused failsafe idle - stupid vag programmers) it was only due to the quick thinking and courtesy of the van plus trailer driver that I am still here to tell the tale.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Now,that's exactly what I mean

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - oldroverboy.

Cyd, your reply was on the rude side, when usually you are constructive. Any incident such as the OP has been through can be quite frightening.

Based on the FACTS given I am inclined to be supportive, and I genuinely feel that Renault could (and the dealer) make a bigger contribution.

However, knowing uk customer service it could go either way.

I strongly suspect motoring press/publicity would help.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Avant

Absolutely right to mention the fear factor, ORB. Just imagine doing 70 mph in the outside lane of a motorway, having just overtaken an HGV doing 50 which is in the middle lane passing a clapped-out Vauxhall doing 40 on the inside. Your cambelt snaps.....Steering without PAS and braking without a servo is no joke.

Without trying to defend Renault, I can see why manufacturers are reluctant to be too generous to claims outside the warranty period - for fear of setting precedents. I'm sure your wife has driven the car properly for its 38,000 miles: but for all Renault know it could have done 30,000 miles in its first year being caned out of its life by a target-driven rep, and then 8,000 in the next four years by someone driving no further than the shops.

Their offer to pay 60 % seems reasonable, but of course that's 60 % of the high cost of having it done by a dealer. Worth checking that it's really as much as £5,000: it shouldn't be surely? And as others suggest, try to get more out of them if you can.

The alternative, possibly, is finding an independent garage who may be able to source a reconditioned engine for a lot less, even if you have to pay it all.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Thanks,Avant, for very informative post but,on a point of information, Renault are well aware of the car's history. Bought at a prominent dealership, regularly serviced, literally,one careful owner,she's looked after that car better than me.

I do understand the 'precedent' argument but ,at the end of the day, they're charging her over £2000, no mean sum, for a parts failure which is no fault of hers.

As I've said before, they should be thanking their lucky stars that the outcome of the breakdown wasn't a lot worse.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - FoxyJukebox

Just thinking-Cambelts snapping, not being replaced, not being advised to change, not being done, botched, change every 4 years or every 5 or every 60,000 miles., misleading service advice re cambelts....this is all a massive consumer muddle.

Is there a new car now available that that doesn't have or need a cambelt or a timing chain ?

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - 72 dudes

I'm coming to the discussion quite late here, but on balance I think the OP has got a raw deal.

Car serviced correctly by main dealer who supplied the car new, cambelt snaps before both mileage and age are reached as stated in the owner's manual.

So, write to the Dealer Principal or General Manager, recorded delivery with signature, state the facts, no emotion or exaggeration.

Make it clear that the original contract of sale is with them NOT Renault UK and you expect them to put you back in a position you were in before the failure occurred.

This has nothing to do with any warranty, this is to do with 'fitness for purpose' and being 'of satisfactory quality'.

If the dealer wants to approach Renault UK for financial help, that's fine, it's not your problem.

As someone else has said, the backing of one of the motoring mags could go a long way to help. Contact the consumer editors/complaints pages of Auto Express and Autocar. Get advice from the CAB.

This engine is also supposed to be one of the better diesels around; it also goes into various Nissan and Dacia models.

Good luck and please keep us regularly updated on this site.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Wackyracer

Just thinking-Cambelts snapping, not being replaced, not being advised to change, not being done, botched, change every 4 years or every 5 or every 60,000 miles., misleading service advice re cambelts....this is all a massive consumer muddle.

Is there a new car now available that that doesn't have or need a cambelt or a timing chain ?

The problem often is the dealers themselves are not sure or aware of timing belt intervals. I went into a Citroen dealership to discuss the possibility of buying a new car from them when my car was 3 years old and he was demanding that I should have the timing belt changed but, when I checked the interval was 10years or 80,000miles. So didn't need doing for another 7 years.

Of course there is the otherside, a friend of mine had a timing belt changed by a dealership and the new belt broke a week later (most likely not been installed correctly) but, the dealership did repair the damage.

I don't know of any 4 stroke engines without a belt or chain.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - setanta7

Just to bring everything up to date, the dealer today offered to contribute £1000 which, together with Renault's £3000,leaves me paying £1000. Not perfect but,in fairness, I would have to replace the cambelt and water pump in 6 months anyway (when it wouild be 6 years old). And I've already wasted 2 months on this and just want it sorted.

2 lessons I've learned

1) Be prepared to 'dig in' and argue your case and not accept their first offer

2) People really need to be aware of the 'cambelt issue' and the damage it can cause if it's not monitored (and DON'T go by the manufacturer's recommended time scale/mileage... because 'it's only RECOMMENDED ! ')

My thanks again to all who offered their advice. Much appreciated.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Galaxy

Don't forget Lesson 3:

Never buy a Renault (or any other French car for that matter!)

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Wackyracer

Don't forget Lesson 3:

Never buy a Renault (or any other French car for that matter!)

My French car has been a dream to own compared to our Vauxhall Astra.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Avant

Congratulations, Setanta7, and thank you so much for coming back and telling us.

Dealers and manufacturers are in business to make a profit, and inevitably their first short-term thought is to hope the customer will give in without a fight - and there are too many Brits who do. Ultimately, if the customer stands their ground, firmly but preferably politely, they will reach a compromise to protect their reputation. You may well buy another car from this dealer, whereas you probably wouldn't if they didn't even try to compromise.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - barney100

Full service history at the main dealers should be clincher, you are well within Renault's guide lines so I would try for the lot. Citizen's advice would know better than me though.

Renault Laguna Coupe - Snapped cambelt - Wackyracer

I wouldn't want to have to pay more than the cost of a timing belt and waterpump change but, having said that it probably would be a grand at a main dealer.