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New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - icecake1

I have just taken delivery of a new Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel automatic. Should I be worried about the news of recalls of VW and co. diesel engines?

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - RT

I have just taken delivery of a new Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel automatic. Should I be worried about the news of recalls of VW and co. diesel engines?

Given that the story has been around for over 6 months, you should have had your concerns BEFORE you ordered.

I had a VW Touareg 3.0 TDi on order before the story broke - I sat on the fence for a while but completed the purchase as that model isn't affected - in Europe at any rate.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Big John

If a new Octavia then it will be euro 6 . I think it's the euro 5 diesel cars that may be affected

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Cyd

Seems to me that you're worrying about the wrong thing. You should be much more concerned about whether a diesel was the right choice in the first place based on your expected mileage and typical daily drive cycle. Not that any dealer will ever discuss those issues with you!

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - icecake1

So you don't know the answer to my question? If not why cloudy the water with unhelpful comments.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - RT

So you don't know the answer to my question? If not why cloudy the water with unhelpful comments.

It may not have answered your question but was clearly intended to be helpful.

Judging by the results of some of the real-world diesel NOx tests now being published, the VW Group are among the least worst of all the brands.

The average real-world diesel NOx emissions are 6x the permitted maximum, so some models spectacularly poor.

It's not difficult to see that market demand will move away from diesels in the long term but that's not going to happen overnight.

Personally, I wouldn't have a diesel unless I was doing 15,000 miles/year or more - or your chosen model had no petrol available as my current Touareg - that's no different to the logic I applied a year ago, the VW Group issues in America and the wider diesel issues in Europe didn't stop me buying a VW TDI.

Edited by RT on 23/04/2016 at 14:41

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Railroad.
People are attracted to diesel cars because of their fuel economy, but most are yet to cotton on to the fact that unless you are doing inter-galactic mileage, mostly on motorways and fast dual carriageways you are better off with a petrol model.

Modern diesels used for short local runs will give trouble and cost a lot of money to repair. As people get wise to this the value of second hand cars will fall. The only sensible way to run a diesel car is to lease hire it. Owning one will prove expensive.
New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - hardway

Couldn't agree more with Railroad,

And as a very recent ex smoker who has his sense of smell back I don't need to read about emissions,

Diesels stink!!

Even the newer ones.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Bolt

Couldn't agree more with Railroad,

And as a very recent ex smoker who has his sense of smell back I don't need to read about emissions,

Diesels stink!!

Even the newer ones.

I dissagree, I think diesels will have the emissions problems sorted sooner rather than later, its the buyers that will have to pay the extra

If they carry on with petrols the way they are you will have to go over to electric/hybrid instead if you dont like diesel, some petrols are terrible with no pulling power and burning out clutches because they have to rev so high to get the power

So I wouldnt write diesels off just yet, I did not like diesels years ago but petrols to me have become too high revving to get any power

At least my diesel pulls away in 1st on tickover, not like some petrols I`ve been behind that also take an age to accelerate

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Railroad.
Not anytime soon they won't. Diesel is oil, and diesel engines are oil burners. Diesel particulate filters don't cure the problem with emissions, they merely paper over the cracks. Diesel will continue to be the preferred fuel for haulage and commercial use, but its suitability will decline further for private motorists doing short journeys. Those who think otherwise and defy will find themselves paying garages a fortune in DPF related repairs as their cars get older.
New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Bolt
Not anytime soon they won't. Diesel is oil, and diesel engines are oil burners. Diesel particulate filters don't cure the problem with emissions, they merely paper over the cracks. Diesel will continue to be the preferred fuel for haulage and commercial use, but its suitability will decline further for private motorists doing short journeys. Those who think otherwise and defy will find themselves paying garages a fortune in DPF related repairs as their cars get older.

I know what diesel is, we will wait and see on the rest, if they carry on reducing petrol fuel consumption or should I say try

we will not have any usable engines to drive cars with, ok they may run but without enough fuel going in you cant get enough power out,not unless they come up with another fuel to mix with?

I cannot see all electric becoming the norm, as were is the electicity coming from,as I recall China told electric car owners to stop charging their cars because it was causing too much more smog

China possibly an exception in relation to extreme pollution, but I think it will apply to all countries if they carry on with electric only route

In other words whatever way you go in the next few years or so things are not going to change much pollution wise imo

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Railroad.
I think you're slightly missing the point, which is for modern diesels to meet the emission standards they have to have a particulate filter. Fine if you're doing big mileage, but repairs will be be very costly for those who don't, and will most likely out-weigh the savings on fuel by running a diesel. Most private motorists don't do more than 12,000 miles per year. Much of that is fairly local runs. Without longer runs the DPF will never regenerate and expensive problems are waiting to happen.
New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Bolt

http://www.cheatsheet.com/automobiles/should-vw-owners-celebrate-the-dieselgate-settlement.html/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Autos%20Daily%202016-04-23&utm_term=Autos%20Daily

Please correct if wrong but I dont think UK cars get anything?

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - medview

Diesel engines just stink, and that's the NOx emissions that you're smelling.

Just ask any frequent cyclist, Diesels are ruining air quality everywhere.

Where's the collective conscience over this toxic stinky fuel?

Where's the government tax disincentive? It has to come...

The new generation small turbo petrol engines are just so much less polluting and they have good low RPM torque. They are also almost free of vibration and noise.

It's a no-brainer if you care about others.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - RT

Persuade consumers not to use goods that need to be delivered by diesel truck - stop pretending that cars are the problem.

The other solution is to move people out of cities where NOx builds up due to temperature inversion caused by other man-made pollutants - out in the countryside, NOx is broken down naturally into Nitrogen and Oxygen, both vital for good air quality - but stopping the ever-increasing concentration of population into ever-denser cities is just not going to happen.

So, just ban all diesels from cities - ban the cars, vans, trucks, buses, taxis and trains - see how life would change.

Edited by RT on 24/04/2016 at 20:05

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Bolt

> just ban all diesels from cities - ban the cars, vans, trucks, buses, taxis and trains - see how life would change<

I think in London it may start happening soon, Hybrid buses are going to take over,they already have a lot, possible congestion charge may go up a fair amount with talk of cycle only areas, and pedestrians only.

Cycle superhighway is imo a waste, but its been built with apparently more on the way

congestion charge may spread further out (just talk so far) but who knows with new Mayor in charge..

I have to admitt I think my diesel will go next year as I think life with one will become more expensive (and I`m not talking about DPF )

and I gather our government is now pressing VW for settlement as USA have/going to get, not that it affects me, though it may press government to increase tax on fuel and vehicle tax to put people off buying them?

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Avant

"It's not difficult to see that market demand will move away from diesels in the long term but that's not going to happen overnight."

Indeed not: as far as the car-buying public is concerned, not much seems to have changed - not yet at any rate. For city cars and superminis petrol has always prevailed, but for bigger cars diesel is as popular as ever.

Of the cars I was short-listing, I found it very difficult to get a test drive of a petrol BMW (X1 and 2-Series Active Tourer) and impossible in the case of the Volvo V60. This isn't dealers with their heads in the sand: they are understandably running demonstrators of the most popular models.

I have some misgivings about going back to a diesel - but the D4 is the only decent engine available in the V60, and I'm still doing 20,000 miles a year.

But the change will no doubt come eventually, provided that more torquey, economical petrol engines like my current 2.0 TSI come on to the market.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - icecake1

I asked the initial question, not intending to start a bun fight as to the merits or otherwise of petrol v diesel v hybrid v electric, but to try an gain an opinion/answer/advice as to how the scandal of the concealing of accurate data could affect the future value of my car in 2,3,4 years on and the possibility of having to have work done to remedy my car to bring it up to agreed specifications.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - slkfanboy

I am sure all car exiting the factory as at least to the spec. To many people watching not to be.

Long term affects are simply that diesel power is further damanged as the fuel of choice.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - gordonbennet

Icecake you need to befriend a politician who is going to have some power in 3 to 5 years time, assuming that is that we leave the EU and our politicians become reponsible for ruining our country all by themselves again.

We have an inkling they are going to hit Diesels hard somehow, and start banning older Diesels in particular, London already effectively does this with commercial vehicles with the emissions zone, and if i were to second guess them i would expect this type of thing to roll out to other towns and cities more and more, plus congestion charging which is an excellent revenue raiser and that is the only reason for it, i suspect we'l see road charging in due course.

Will it affect the value of your car in 3 to 5 years, maybe but seeing as it loses more than half its value in 3 years anyway and more again by year 5 can it really make so much difference.

I think the fact it's Diesel and the complication and increasingly worse long term costs of keeping the things going will have larger effects on used values as the used car buying public become generally aware of the problems, DSG box may not help its desirability when another 3 to 5 years of used car knowledge is available to that public.

Dieselgate will, as with all these storms in teacups, soon be forgotten, i don't read of VW group dealers closing down.

In another 3 to 5 years we might well have interest rates of 8+% again, the national debt might well be over £2Trillion and we may well find ourselves in a real depression with a genuine population of 80+ million, the tiny difference in value this emissions non event makes to your car will pale into insignificance beside the tumbling value of property which is what the whole ponzi scheme of our so called economy appears to be based on.

An optimist :-)

Edited by gordonbennet on 25/04/2016 at 08:43

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - Bolt

I asked the initial question, not intending to start a bun fight as to the merits or otherwise of petrol v diesel v hybrid v electric, but to try an gain an opinion/answer/advice as to how the scandal of the concealing of accurate data could affect the future value of my car in 2,3,4 years on and the possibility of having to have work done to remedy my car to bring it up to agreed specifications.

I am, after seeing a video on reverse engineering of the software, doubt it will have much effect if any on value,

but suspect if,as I read, our government are going to press VW for the fixes,which according to VW are easier to sort out in UK,

and suspect our government are now waking up to the particulates problem, I think (though could be wrong) VW may try and get away with it as they have said the problem here is not as bad as usa

at first I did wonder if bypassing the defeat software would cancel it out but doubt it as the software looks for data and if removed may have unwanted effects? ie increase particulates and emmisions, which is probably why they are reflashing

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - RT

Each new day seems to bring reports of another brand cheating on the EU tests - today's allegation is that Fiat switch off emission controls after 22 mins as the test only lasts 20.

For all they've done wrong, VW Group are coming out as the least worse of a bad bunch.

New Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel Auto - Diesel Emissions - concrete

I have just taken delivery of a new Skoda Octavia Estate 2.0 Diesel automatic. Should I be worried about the news of recalls of VW and co. diesel engines?

Nice car to own. I ran a diesel VAG car but I covered between 25 and 30K miles per annum. Vast majority of miles on major roads. Perfect for the job.

I would speak to the dealer about possible recalls, he should be able to reassure you about your new car. It may not be affected by the revelation at VAG which was quite a while ago. I think they would foolish to release vehicles for sale that were involved in the emmisions manipulation. That would be asking for trouble. I am sure your dealer will put your mind at rest and has probably answered this question many times over the past 6 months or so. Cheers Concrete