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Fri 22 Jan 2016 01:56
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - Cheshire police. - crazywolf32

A lot of people out there will be having problems with speeding offences from north wales police, but it is also covered by Cheshire police. Over the Christmas period a lot will have had speeding offences through the post. Cheshire police are nuturious for being like the Nazi as, on the rd. They even make up their own offences at times.As all will know the police get all funds from seizures, fines, and sales of seized goods.

Because of this the police of cheshire/north wales are running a business, and when they require funds they will get them any way they can. Even with false charges because they need the money for the officers.

I have read many a forum over the speed limit on the A5 up to Halton, towards Wrexham from the roundabout to chirk. This a nuturious speeding hot spot for the camera, but remember this, as I informed someone today.

The 60mph nsl is applied to the single track section up to the small twin lane ( dual carriage way section for overtaking. This means that the speed limit in that small section of rd with being nsl, and a dual lane carriage way by law is 70mph by law.

And goes back to 60 mph when it returns to a single lane.

So do not be robbed by the police, the camera is set at 60mph which only applies to the single lane of traffic heading the opposite direction.

As the law states a dual/2 lane carriage way nsl is 70mph, and a single lane carriage way nsl is 60mph.

They send the offences out as they have not set the speed limit accordingly, and only set it at the nsl for the single lane. Which means that the traffic camera is robbing many locals and none locals corruptly.

They do this because they know most motorists can't remember the actual nsl's on this or most dual carriage ways. Once it goes into a 2 lane carriage way it is 70 mph, or no one could over take anyone and would reach the top of the hill at the same time as the car they are trying to over take.

All they are their for is funds, not uphold the law, they desire and make their own laws and need funding to keep their station open. As if they don't have the funds the police station is closed. So the police is now a business, and many make their own rules and laws.

And if you seen the g4s prison abuse of kids by guards, their are police officers out there who do the same thing, and make up stories after commuting a crime themselves, and they can as even a magistrate court won't listen, as they keep that magistrates funded too.

So the police needs high levels of certain crimes to keep their police station open, and also keep the statistics of those crimes high. And gain funds even from the innocent they aren't bothers.

If you've had convictions etc in the past, it doesn't matter if you stay out of trouble, they have access to your records ideally for their made up story.

So everyone needs to be warty of this, and give them no reason to send speeding fines etc, and if on that section of rd, just remember to remind them of the speed limits of that section of rd. If you are under 70 on the 2\dual carriage way section.

Edited by Avant on 22/01/2016 at 14:00

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 08:07
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - RT

I think you need to take some proper driving lessons!

A dual-carriageway isn't defined by how many lanes it has, it's defined by how many carriageways.

That stretch of road on the A5 has 2 lanes northbound and 1 lane southbound, separated only by double white lines - that makes it single-carriageway, so the 60 mph NSL applies both ways.

It needs a raised kerb, central barrier or other physical separation to become a dual-carriageway.

Remember that a dual-carriageway can have 1, 2, 3 or more lanes in a particular direction.

Edited by RT on 22/01/2016 at 08:10

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 09:09
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - RobJP

That's the stretch from the Garden centre up towards McD's, isn't it ?

In which case, it would be blatantly obvious to anyone apart from a complete idiot that it isn't a dual carriageway. The uphill stretch has 2 lanes, one of which is intended to be a HGV 'crawler lane'.

If you've been done for speeding on there, then the only person responsible is you, the numpty behind the wheel. It's not a police / magistrate / masonic / illuminati conspiracy, it's your own stupidity.

Edited by RobJP on 22/01/2016 at 09:12

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 09:47
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - scot22

Excellent responses. I don't know the area but am confident in the accuracy of RT and RobJP.

I will criticise some police actions if I feel justified. However, overall I think they undertake a challenging role very well. Just wish there were more unmarked cars about to sort out some appalling behaviour on the road.

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 09:45
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - FP

"They do this because they know most motorists can't remember the actual nsl's on this or most dual carriage ways."

That is really saying the fault lies with "most motorists", not the police.

"All they are their for is funds, not uphold the law, they desire and make their own laws and need funding to keep their station open. As if they don't have the funds the police station is closed."

The poster seems to think that speeding fines money goes directly into some police account. However:

"... the income from speeding fines goes into what is known as the Treasury's consolidated fund, which is a bit of jargon that really means the Government's own bank account." (from This Is Money website)

The original poster seems to think the money goes to other places as well: "...they keep that magistrates funded too."

The rambling, semi-literate original post is an amazing piece of paranoia. Sad, really.

Edited by FP on 22/01/2016 at 09:45

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 10:41
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - gordonbennet

I used to use that road regularly, average twice a week for years, you have to be paying no attention whatsoever to get nicked by a stealth van there, parked in the same regular spots time after time.

Its amazing how many people assume that two lanes in one direction automatically means dual carriageway.

The one Cheshire speed trapping session that probably caught many out (unless it was training) where when the old bill would stand around hiding behind the greenery on the flyover at the A55/ A483 junction, taking turns with hand held gun.

Edited by gordonbennet on 22/01/2016 at 10:42

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 11:13
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - ExA35Owner

The OP has presumably been caught speeding there and had a letter about it, a S172 request to the keeper of his car asking for the driver to be named. He has three choices:

1. Accept the correct advice here, complete the S172 request, accept the fixed penalty and points. That will be relatively cheap, and will match the offence.

2. Ignore all correspondence, as I think he implies. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the alleged offence, that will get him prosecuted for failing to respond to the S172 request. Significant fine, 6 points, big impact on insurance premiums.

3. Fill in the S172 request, ask for a hearing, go to court pleading Not Guilty. That avoids the penalties of (2) and allows him to test the allegation of speeding in court. If his version is correct, he'll be found not guilty and all will be well. That's what courts are for. If his version is wrong, he'll be found guilty and will get his three points and a fine; but he'll also, quite reasonably, be expected to pay some court costs. That's what courts are for.

Long term: study the Highway Code; know the law; keep within it.

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 12:40
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - alan1302

Op is certainly living up to his name!

Edited by alan1302 on 22/01/2016 at 12:41

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 13:21
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - slkfanboy

The OP is correct on one point many ppl don't seam to know the nsl. I was on a speeding awareness course and only 2 of us on the course seamed to have an clue of the limits!

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 14:32
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - RT

The OP is correct on one point many ppl don't seam to know the nsl. I was on a speeding awareness course and only 2 of us on the course seamed to have an clue of the limits!

At speeding awareness course I went on, most people thought NSL on dual carriageway was 60 and only 70 for motorways.

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 13:17
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - Avant

The original, post has been reported as offensive, but I'll leave it because of the excellent comments and sheer good sense from all the above replies.

It's certainly tempting to go up to 70 when there are two lanes your way and one the other - but the law is clear, and on the side of safety.

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 13:26
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - RobJP

Just to say, if anyone wants to have a look at the stretch of road in question :

Go to google earth, search for 'chirk'. When it zooms in, you want the stretch of road directly to the east of Chirk (the road runs north-south). Streetview images are on there.

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 14:30
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - bathtub tom

goo.gl/maps/GNZVGu3yvCq

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 15:09
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - RobJP

goo.gl/maps/GNZVGu3yvCq

That's the one !

If anyone is stupid enough to view that as a dual carriageway, they need their licence taking off them.

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Fri 22 Jan 2016 17:01
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - daveyjp
Or an alternative way of framing the first post.

If you don't know the Highway Code, don't be surprised if you get a ticket for speeding.
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Fri 22 Jan 2016 20:35
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - Brit_in_Germany

The OP understands dual carriageway to mean two lanes rather than two separated lanes. If he returns, at least he will have learnt something.

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Sat 23 Jan 2016 13:18
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - Bromptonaut

Use that road fairly often as we have friend on utskirts of Wrexham.

Anbody who thinks it's dual carriageway needs their bumps felt!!

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Sat 23 Jan 2016 13:54
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - jc2

A past intepretation of the law was that if a ball could roll from one side of the carriageways to the other(irrespective of road markings)-it is a SINGLE carriageway(60mph).To be a DUAL carriageway(70mph),there must be an interruption in the middle.

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Sat 23 Jan 2016 14:10
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - RT

A past intepretation of the law was that if a ball could roll from one side of the carriageways to the other(irrespective of road markings)-it is a SINGLE carriageway(60mph).To be a DUAL carriageway(70mph),there must be an interruption in the middle.

Many of the early dual carriageways just had a grass central reservation, only getting an armco barrier more recently.

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Sat 23 Jan 2016 14:57
4 wheels a body and engine that moves. - corruption within cheshire police. - Bromptonaut

Many of the early dual carriageways just had a grass central reservation, only getting an armco barrier more recently.

Pictures of the M1 in early days show no barrier of any kind in the central reservation.

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