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Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Had this car since 2004 and done 40k of fairly easy mileage, with no major servicing just oil/filter changes in the last few years due to the low mileage (4-5k pa). A few weeks ago during the really cold weather the car suddenly started blowing out lots of white smoke at startup and for a few mins thereafter. At first I thought it was excessive steam. The car isn't used every day but sometimes more than once a day and if the smoke appeared first thing it'd not reappear, noticeably anyway, that day. On the other hand when left for a few days the smoke would be billowing out on startup but still go away after a few mins.

Anyway, I took it to a main dealer last week and they did a diagnostic which showed no faults but told me it was symptomatic of a gunked up egr valve. They cleaned this on Tuesday and I collected the car yesterday to find the white smoke had gone. Result! Errrmmmm.... Well, I've just started her up and once again there's clouds of white smoke, I'm not entirely sure but there does seem to be a bit of a blue tint to it but not much to my eye. I idled and revved the car for a minute or two and the smoke went away as before but I'm obviously a) hacked off the £180 hasn't bought me a fix and b) wondering what I do now to find out what's wrong.

The car is due an oil change and air filter probably but feels and sounds like it's running fine to me. My knowledge of things mechanical is very limited, however.

Any thoughts as to what the problem is and how best to proceed would be much appreciated.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - injection doc

I would buy 2 bottles of Comma diesel injector magic from halfords & stick that in the tank. You may have a sticky injector, Techncal term hosing , causing unburnt diesel making an acrid smell and white smoke. Are the valve clearnces OK ? they go tight on diesels and this can give the same issue on startup , so can an air leak into the fuel.

If you can see a fuel line worth watching for air bubbles on start up.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Hi and thanks for the reply. I'm not technical at all so can't answer your questions fully sadly. What I can tell you is the car has done only 40k from new and hasn't had valve clearances checked to my knowledge. It seems to be running really nicely now and the exhaust smells a lot cleaner than prior to the EGR valve cleaning so that's done some good even if it hasn't cured the smoke problem. I've started and used the car a few more times today and there's been no noticeable smoke.

I've been reading about blue/white smoke problems in some diesels and believe that blocked breather tubes (?) can apparently cause similar issues with one sign being a build up of pressure which can be heard releasing when the dipstick or oil filler cap is removed. Is that true and could it be the cause of the problem I'm having? When would be the best time to check this? Immediately after a good run for example? A mate said a dirty/clogged air filter may also be the cause of smoke but I'd have no idea about that.

I'm due an oil/filter change so will get that done and see about additives such as those you recommend afterwards. In the meantime, I'd appreciate your further feedback on the above and any other advice forumites care to offer.

Many thanks.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Just to add, I'm not sure exactly what was involved in removing and cleaning the EGR but IIRC I was told the intercooler was inspected and was free of oil. Hope that makes more sense to you than it does to me though... ;)

Edited by Mazda-Man on 08/03/2013 at 21:11

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Started car this morning and the problem is as it was before the EGR cleaning. On normal idle there is a very little white smoke but on revving a great deal more bellows out. After 1-2 minutes driving this disappears though.

@ Oldtoffee - Fuel filter hasn't been changed for a good few years again due to very low mileages. Same with air filter so must need doing. No idea if these could be relevant to the white smoke at startup issue though.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Peter.N.

If you only get the problem in very cold weather is probably due to incomplete combustion when cold, does the engine run smoothly when its smoking or a bit rough.

As its only a problem at start up I wouldn't worry about it.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Thanks very much for the reply Peter. The smoking only lasts a couple of mins but I can't say I've noticed the car's been running any differently at those times. It's true, however, that she feels more responsive since the EGR clean and it certainly smells less 'oily/sooty/diesely' if that makes sense lol Yesterday the smoke was noticeable when first started up in the afternoon but I didn't drive anywhere at that point. I did a 15 mile start/stop round trip around town last night and ran fine all the way. Started her up 3 times in total and there was no visible smoke at all. In fact the problem seems to only be present on the first start of the day, especially if the car's not been used for a day or two which is quite common. I've started her up this morning about an hour ago and she jumped into life no problems and revved freely with no hesitation but was again smoking. The problem first appeared in the really cold/snowy weather around which time I also needed a new battery but I was hardly using the car then so didn't think too much of it initially as I thought it might just be condensation.

Hope this helps. :)

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Just an update. I contacted the garage on Monday and spoke to the technician and they advised a good hard thrash in low gear on the Wortham Hill section of the M20 plus some injector cleaner to see if that helped. Apparently the injectors were showing as ok on their diagnostic but a clean may help matters and a good run might burn off any crud which might be present. He also said a blocked fuel or air filter would not cause these symptoms so I told him I'd have the oil changed and do the Italian tune up when I have time and report back. I've only used the car locally a couple of times since then but have had the oil/filter changed. The smoke is still there on startup but seems a bit less. First thing yesterday, on my way to the oil change, I consciously tried starting the car and letting her idle for a short time before revving and driving off, just to see what happened. There was a small amount of smoke on startup and idle but a lot more on revving. However this seemed to subside quite quickly. Two hours later, right after the oil change, I took her for a short blast in 3rd gear up to 60mph on a nearby dual carriageway and there was no smoke evident and she seemed to be running perfectly. However, some hours later in the afternoon when I started her up there was some smoke evident but this cleared very quickly.

I suppose I'm wondering if the smoking has something to do with the startup process, especially when the engine is really cold? Does this sound like a possibility and if so what might be the cause of it?

Cheers as always.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Just an update. The car's been running fine since I last posted but still smoking a bit on startup. It's still being used only a few times a week as usual although I did do a good high rev 40 mile motorway run as previously advised which doesn't seem to have affected the problem much.

Anyway, on Tuesday afternoon, it started up with not a trace of smoke! I immediately wondered if the fact that it had been parked in the sun (yes, remember that! lol) for hours that day was the reason. Since then it's been much colder again with some snow and yesterday when I fired her up for the first time since Tuedsay, the smoke was back. In fact she turned over normally on turning the key but suddenly cut out with a clunk before starting up easily on the second attempt. I'm still wondering if the outdoor temperature has something to do with the problem or could a dodgy glow plug be at the root of it? Any feedback gratefully received as always.

Edited by Mazda-Man on 05/04/2013 at 14:52

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - madf

Could be a dodgy glow plug leaving unburned fuel ,,, but if it is I would expect a misfire on start up.

I suspect a leaking injector.. When the enhine is stopped, a little fuel drips into the cylinder. When it's warm, it ignites or evaporates quickly. When cold,, it does not and exits as smoke...

( The only way to test them properly in my view is a a diesel specialist. I suspect your Mazda dealer plugs the engine into a fault reader. A small leak is unlikely to show..)

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Thanks very much for the feedback Madf! Yes the dealer did a diagnostic and only said the injectors looked pretty good so that would tally with what you're saying. The car has now stalled twice when starting but the rest of the time it starts quickly and only sounds a little rough for a few seconds before it's nice and smooth.

Can you tell me if a leaky injector a big problem and is it likely to be improved or made worse by use of injector cleaner?

TVM.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - madf

Injector cleaning is likely to make things better - if at all. Not make worse.

It really need a diesel specialist to test the smoke (let the car cool down) and test teh injectors properly. Which means take out and test. Which means some cost.. I have no idea if the injectors are coded to the engine or not... If coded, it is possible they could only be replaced by a dealer with coding facilities.

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - Mazda-Man

Injector cleaning is likely to make things better - if at all. Not make worse.

It really need a diesel specialist to test the smoke (let the car cool down) and test teh injectors properly. Which means take out and test. Which means some cost.. I have no idea if the injectors are coded to the engine or not... If coded, it is possible they could only be replaced by a dealer with coding facilities.

Thanks very much for this. I think I'll give some cleaner a try first and see what happens as the weather warms up, if it ever does... lol

If the problem persists I'll probably contact the dealer to see what they'd charge to do as you suggest, purely as a reference point. They'll probably tell me the job requires special equipment etc. only they have so I'd like to seek advice from a diesel specialist too but don't know of any around this area - Bromley/SE London - so would be very grateful if anyone could point me in the direction of some.

TVM

Mazda MPV 2.0 diesel - White/blue smoke on startup. - mad4madza

Hi - first of all - thanks for this thread, it's very helpful as I think I have the same problem with a Mazda6 2004 2.0L diesel. In fact, it's been doing this for months and I've not found out any definitive answers. My mechanic friend is left scratching his head too!

Did you ever get to the bottom of the problem?

Any help would be appreciated.