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Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Hector Munro

On advice from my garage I had the rear discs and pads replaced on my MR2 (2004 with 85,000 miles) at the end of January. I took care with the discs to wear them in. I have driven around 600/700 miles since the discs were changed. This has been on motorways, A road, country backroads and some town driving.

However, since the two discs were changed they have both been running constantly hot - over a distance of 12 miles and moderate braking you can burn the skin off your fingers, and hear the tink, tink, tink of cooling brake discs after the car has stopped. The discs heat up even if I don't use the brakes, or use them very gently.

The calipers have been stripped down twice and the handbrake cable adjusted as well. When the car is on the ramp the wheels turn freely and the handbrake cable works. - I have watched the mechanic turn the wheels.

However, all the post-change disc work has not solved the problem.

While I appreciate that heat is generated in braking, and that discs become hot through use, the heat generation seems a little excessive. Before the rear discs were changed I could drive for 180 miles and still have reasonably cool discs when I completed the journey.

Any ideas for a diagnosis?

I should add that the front brakes are running as normal. The changed rear discs are making a huge difference between the temperature between the front and the rear discs. Should this be the case? I've never had such a great temperature differential before in all the 85,000 miles I have driven the car.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - TeeCee

Sounds like something's preventing fluid return from the calipers and keeping the pads in contact with the discs, as you've already ruled out the calipers themselves and the handbrake. I've seen an iffy flexible hose to a caliper do this (detached rubber inside acting as a non-return valve), but that would be unlikely in your case as it would usually only affect one brake, not a pair.

I'd be looking at the brake circuit and trying to find a flexi hose, pressure bias valve, or similar common to both rear brakes.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - galileo

Not familair with handbrake cable layout on the MR2, I did once have a similar issue with a Peugeot, wheels off the ground, adjusted till free, but with vehicle weight on the suspension the rears bound until backed off a bit more.

Unlikely with a Toyota design, though.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - brum

On my Alhambra (and common on Galaxys and Sharans too), this happens when there is internal rusting of the parking brake/self adjustment mechanism which is located inside the caliper. It also prevents the parking brake lever on the caliper to return fully to its stop (by 3 or 4 mm). For some reason it affect the offside only. I nurse mine by occassionaly lubricating the shaft (under the rubber seal) with penetrating oil and working the lever by hand. I now dont use the parking brake too often (park in 1st gear unless on a hill then I use the brake as well) but when I do I will subsequently check the disk temperature (comparing offside/nearside) and if it starts to heat up,I check and push the lever back with my hand (laying down on the ground to reach...)

Although the (stuck) movement involved is only 3 or 4 mm, its enough to get the disk stinking hot.

The permanent solution would be to change the caliper.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Collos25

It is not unknown for the flexi hoses to break down inside causing a oneway system with the effect of holding the brakes on.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - madf

Did you wind the rear calipers back?

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Collos25

Good point.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - gordonbennet

I'm thinking with Brum (again) above.

Is the handbrake the small shoe 'top hat' design, with the drum being a small integral part of the rear disc casting.

These designs are notorious in my experience for mechanics (incl main dealer) ignorance of adjusting and maintenance.

Seldom if ever will the handbrake cable ever require adjustment, though people do for no avail. The adjusters are usually ratchet manual type veisible through small hole in the front of the drum when wheel removed. If new discs have been fitted without new shoes as often happens then it wil take forever to bed the old shoes to the new drums because the shoes should never see wear as they are only used when parked.

Some mechanics then tighten the cable as much as possible to givesome semblance of a working brake, it won't happen untill new shoes compatible with the new disc/drums get fitted.

In practice when fitting new shoes the cable should be slackened off and the shoes adjusted properly by the ratchets, then give vehicle a short drive applying the parking brake now and again to bed the shoes in, then readjust the ratchets...and only then adjust the cable correctly.

Course if the handbrake on this car operates inside the rear calipers ignore all that waffle...;)....they're seizing.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Collos25

Right or wrong for this problem its still a bit of good information.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - SlidingPillar

No idea if it applies to the Toyota MR2, but on some cars, to change a disc, you take the hub off.

Running hot even when the brakes are not used brings three possibilities to mind, Firstly, the bores of the brake cylinders are poor or corroded, and the pads are not returning properly. Secondly, the garage have been idiots, and the rear wheel hubs have been put back with the bearings seriously overtightned. Correct tightness varys quite a lot depending on the type of bearing. If they were overtightened, very strong chance the bearings now need changing. The third one is as above - handbrake set wrongly.

Rear brakes don't do much on most cars and even when the fronts start to run a bit warm, rears should still be quite cool.

Edited by SlidingPillar on 06/03/2013 at 20:16

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Avant

Moved to Technical.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - focussed

On advice from my garage I had the rear discs and pads replaced on my MR2 (2004 with 85,000 miles) at the end of January. I took care with the discs to wear them in. I have driven around 600/700 miles since the discs were changed. This has been on motorways, A road, country backroads and some town driving.

However, since the two discs were changed they have both been running constantly hot - over a distance of 12 miles and moderate braking you can burn the skin off your fingers, and hear the tink, tink, tink of cooling brake discs after the car has stopped. The discs heat up even if I don't use the brakes, or use them very gently.

The calipers have been stripped down twice and the handbrake cable adjusted as well. When the car is on the ramp the wheels turn freely and the handbrake cable works. - I have watched the mechanic turn the wheels.

However, all the post-change disc work has not solved the problem.

While I appreciate that heat is generated in braking, and that discs become hot through use, the heat generation seems a little excessive. Before the rear discs were changed I could drive for 180 miles and still have reasonably cool discs when I completed the journey.

Any ideas for a diagnosis?

I should add that the front brakes are running as normal. The changed rear discs are making a huge difference between the temperature between the front and the rear discs. Should this be the case? I've never had such a great temperature differential before in all the 85,000 miles I have driven the car.

Looking for clues at the scene of the crime!

Three points:-

1. The pad carriers must be properly cleaned up so that the pads are a finger fit with a little anti seize paste on the bearing faces on the pad carrier - not beaten in with a hammer and drift like i have seen main dealer apes fit pads before.

2. Assuming that the pistons were wound back in properly, the accepted procedure after the pads have been fitted is to start the motor and then pump the brake pedal until hard and then press the brake pedal hard for 20 secs or so to seat the pads BEFORE operating the handbrake-not the other way around, if it was handbrake before brake pedal the adjuster mechnanism won't work properly.

3. Just a thought about the replacement discs your garage used-presumably not OEM discs. Are they possibly thicker than the original new OEM discs would have been? Reference to the maker's manual should tell you how thick they should be when new.

I don't think it's a hydraulic problem, if it was it would have cropped up before with the old discs and pads.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Collos25

I don't think it's a hydraulic problem, if it was it would have cropped up before with the old discs and pads

Explain why it could not be a hydraulic problem to us novices.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - dieselnut

The ABS block is usually a high point in the system & so is easy to trap air in there. Some cars need a diagnostic tool to operate the ABS in a certain way to rid it of air.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - focussed

Dieselnut - and Collos 25.

How did the air get in there then?

Changing pads and discs? Caliper seals that leak air in but don't leak fluid out? If it was there all along it would have given problems before the work that was carried out.

Air doesn't just "get in" to a hydraulic system, unless the reservoir was run low during bleeding.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - Collos25

It does if you drop a piston out by mistake and don´t say anything or you do no bled the system out correctly or you let the level in the resorvour drop to low .I have heard it to many times "Honestly I have not done anything"

My only comment on the cause of the problem was only to say that hoses perish from the inside acting like a one way valve which will cause the pads to stay on and heat the disc.

Toyota MR2 - brakes - hot rear discs - blackboab

it could be down to the back shoes rubbing on the inside of the the discs.im sure they have the same setup as the avensis with the bake working the calipers and the shoes inside the drum.