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Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - seamonsta
I can get a virtually unlimited supply of free monograde engine oil (Q8 Mozart TM SAE30) from a marine base with a surplus stock of it, and was wondering if any long term damage would occur with using it in a VW 2.5 TDi 65kW AJT engine with 155k miles on it? It's specified for 'trunk piston' marine engines but surely if the SAE and CF ratings are suitable it would be ok? Maybe the detergent content is quite high, but after a couple of low mileage oil changes & sump flushes with it..?
Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - seamonsta
Apologies, the SAE is 30, and the API is CF I mean!
Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - edlithgow

I'd use it, but then I'm in Taiwan, where it never gets close to freezing. (Postage would be too expensive, I suppose)

Shouldn't be a disaster in the UK, but your initial lubrication on cold startup probably wont be quite so good as with a multigrade. Maybe use it as a "summer-only" oil?

OTOH hand your shear stability will be better, but since the stuff is free, you can change it as often as you like, so that isn't much of an advantage.

Might be worth finding out how much ZDDP anti-wear additive the oil has, if you can. I dunno if big marine diesels have flat tappets (I'd guess not) but if your VW has, you might need the zinc protection.

If it is actually free in unlimited quantities, you might perhaps consider using it as fuel?

Edited by edlithgow on 02/03/2013 at 10:10

Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - skidpan

I'd use it, but then I'm in Taiwan, where it never gets close to freezing. (Postage would be too expensive, I suppose)

Shouldn't be a disaster in the UK, but your initial lubrication on cold startup probably wont be quite so good as with a multigrade. Maybe use it as a "summer-only" oil?

OTOH hand your shear stability will be better, but since the stuff is free, you can change it as often as you like, so that isn't much of an advantage.

Might be worth finding out how much ZDDP anti-wear additive the oil has, if you can. I dunno if big marine diesels have flat tappets (I'd guess not) but if your VW has, you might need the zinc protection.

If it is actually free in unlimited quantities, you might perhaps consider using it as fuel?

Great advice from the ownr of a Daihatsu Charade that has run it dry of oil and wrecked the engine. By their own admission they know sod all about engines..

Considering that oil is going to cost no more than £50 for the correct stuff why should you want to risk wrecking your engine just because you can get some free oil of an incorrect spec.

If you do try it and it wrecks the engine please come back on a tell us, we could do with a laugh.

Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - focussed

Trunk piston marine diesel engines are about as far removed from automotive units as you can get. The piston and cylinder bore are separated from the lower part of the engine crankcase and crankshaft because these engines burn heavy residual fuels in various grades and mixes which contains a lot of contaminants such as sulphur. The detergent content in this oil is going to be very high and formulated to cope with the oil contamination from these marine fuels. Not going to be suitable for your VW.

The SAE 30 viscosity is going to make starting in cold climates a struggle too.

Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - seamonsta
Ta for informative feedback.
With the added cost of a couple of filters in quick succession during flushing I'll probably not risk it, as 15W/40 at API SL grade is still obtainable for under £2/l at places like LIDL.
Wouldn't want anyone getting a laugh from someone else's mechanical misfortunes, but chuckling at their ignorance is alright I guess... ;-)
Volkswagen Transporter - Marine Diesel engine oil for van use - Duncan112

Sorry Focussed, it's the crosshead type engine that separates the cylinder from the crankcase by means of a diaphragm with a mechanical stuffing box (The older type of crosshead engine like the Doxford LB had no diaphragm and a foul crankcase!!) The trunk type engine resembles more closely the automotive type engine.

The current trend is towards reducing Sulphur content (and indeed eliminating it in coastal waters) in marine fuels - with the attendant lubrication problems - which brings us neatly back to the original question - I personally would not use it both on viscosity grounds and the fact that (most) reputably operated marine engines are run under a far stricter oil filtration, purification and monitoring regime than any automotive engine.

If you must use it then I would reduce the change frequency down to 3 or 4 thousand miles (Which is what it was with the older generation of mineral oils anyway!!)

If the oil has more detergency than the recommended oil (unlikely) then there may be an additional risk of dislodging existing carbon build up in the lubrication system with the attendant bearing and turbocharger damage.