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Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - cws

Shorlty getting a C Class CDI220 (2006) and been advised to use 'branded' fuels such as Shell, and not to use supermarket fuels as they give lower mpg and sometimes poorer performance.

Has anybody else experienced this?

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - skidpan

Shorlty getting a C Class CDI220 (2006) and been advised to use 'branded' fuels such as Shell, and not to use supermarket fuels as they give lower mpg and sometimes poorer performance.

Has anybody else experienced this?

Total nonsense but many will disagree.

All diesel sold in the UK has to comply with BSEN 590 and that is the fuel cars are designed to use.

Been using Supermarket fuel since the mid 80's with no issues. On the odd occations I have to use a premium fuel (e.g. when on hols) the car runs exactly the same and gives no more mpg.

The magic additives the big brands boast about are never declared but the adds on telly look good when they show a young bimbo actress in a lab coat looking at a test rig.

Save your money.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - unthrottled

Skedpan: You're quite wrong about the bimbos. They use brunettes because brunettes are deemed to look more intelligent.

The best is when people claim that it takes several tankfuls for the "engine to recognise the better fuel" and unleash the performance benefits!

Edited by unthrottled on 29/01/2013 at 15:19

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - skidpan

The best is when people claim that it takes several tankfuls for the "engine to recognise the better fuel" and unleash the performance benefits!

Here is a fact noted by myself in about 2002 or 2003. Shell had just announced their "Superfuel", at the time I think it was called "V Power". We had a station local to us so I decided to give it a go over a few tankfulls of PETROL. After about 3 tankfulls over a month or so I could detect no improvement in the way it ran (it ran fine on supermarket "crap") but I was sure it was doing a bit better on mpg. This could have been due to it getting warmer (seem to remember I did the test in May) but I had concluded that it was not worth the money. Then before I got the chance to fill up again the car started to run noticably rough. Did the usual things first and on removing the plugs they were all black and sooty. Cleaned and refitted them, filled at Asda and never had another problem.

But later in the year a mate of mine mentioned in the pub one night that he had just had problems with his car. He had been using Shell V power a few weeks and the car started to run rough,on checking the plugs had sooted up. He refilled with his usual brew after cleaning the plugs and all was OK.

Just a coincidence perhaps, I am not a brunette (grey in truth) and don't have a lab coat thus cannot prove it.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - craig-pd130

I did a test last year of 10x tankfuls of Shell V-Power compared with 10x tankfuls of 'ordinary' Shell Fuelsave diesel (2011 Volvo V60).

Economy was 2.6% better with V-Power (i.e. about 1.2mpg better) but the fuel costs 5.5% more.

I also found Shell's own specs for Fuelsave and V-Power diesel, which showed that Fuelsave is typically the same cetane and more or less identical in all other parameters.

As a busy Shell station is my nearest forecourt, is the same price as the local supermarkets, and directly on my commute to work, that's where I fill up 90% of the time.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - madf

There are cases when some supermarket stations are so badly run the diesel at the bottom of the fuel tanks sludges - or you get the wrong fuel..

There are lots of factual stories of this .. but then Shell had their own problems with this as well.

Basically work on the premise that the bigger and busier stations have newer fuel and are likely to be better run.

EDIT

Have used Shell petrol and diesel for years. Vpower has no measurable effect on anything as far as I can see.

Edited by madf on 29/01/2013 at 16:25

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - Collos25

I wonder how many times this subject has cropped up ,google the site and I think there will be enough reading for the next three months.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - Peter.N.

I have used supermarket fuel ever since we had supermarkets and have had no problems. Fuel consumption is mainly down to the way you drive, I have a 2.0Hdi 406 and another C5, driving at no more than 60 mph and not much more than 2000 rpm I can get 60 + mpg from both of them.

My wife's uncle spent many years working for Shell on the sea tankers and he said that it all comes out of the same tank except for a few additives.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - quizman

I usually use Shell, it is the same price as the supermarket fuel, we are lucky in Derby as the price of fuel is relatively cheap.

The thing about supermarket fuel is that you never know whether any horse urine is in it.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - skidpan

I usually use Shell, it is the same price as the supermarket fuel, we are lucky in Derby as the price of fuel is relatively cheap.

The thing about supermarket fuel is that you never know whether any horse urine is in it.

Don't know about "Horse Urine" but sometimes there is a load of "Bull s***e" posted.

Edited by skidpan on 30/01/2013 at 10:03

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - quizman

Having read some of your long posts skidpan, pots and kettles come to mind.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - skidpan

Having read some of your long posts skidpan, pots and kettles come to mind.

As usual with some posts on the HJ site I do not have a clue what you are saying. Its a load of horse urine as far as I am concerned.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - quizman

I'm saying that your post are too long and tedious.

I think that when branded fuel is the same price as supermarket, you might as well buy branded. But what the hell, this has been discussed so many times that even a car nut like me is getting bored, especially when bimbos are brought into it.

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Edited by quizman on 30/01/2013 at 17:17

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - Cyd

For my work I use a 2003 Dispatch HDi 110 van (retuned to 136). I'm self employed and it's my van and is used daily on a mixture of runs.

Tesco is 7 miles away near to the wholesalers I use. We shop using Tesco delivery service so I tend to fill up at Tesco when I have a 5p off voucher. Otherwise I fill at the Jet station in town, less than 1 mile away. I consistantly get 2mpg more using Jet diesel than Tesco. The engine is noticeably quieter and smoother on a steady run on the Jet fuel.

My wife runs a Rover 25 1.4 84hp. It starts and runs smoother on Jet standard unleaded and consistantly gives about 20 miles extra per tank. The car is used daily for a 15 mile each way country commute.

I run a Saab 9-3 Aero 2.0T with a Maptun tune. Not possible to compare fuel economy as the car is not used consistantly on similar runs. Also I like to enjoy the performance. However, it seems to run better and be more responsive on Jet super unleaded (98ron I think) than on Tesco Momentum 99. I'm currently running a tank of BP Ultimate with a dose of Millers Eco Max - it defo feels better still and I'd use BP regularly if we had a station near us. In particular cold running is vastly improved (I treat it very gently when it's cold).

So, in summary, it is my experience that branded fuel gives better mpg and better performance. I would expect this to vary from car to car and with driving style. It is also noticeable that the oil stays cleaner using branded fuel (I do my own servicing), suggesting they have less of the heavy fractions present.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - unthrottled

But supermarkets do not refine their own fuels. They buy them on the spot market. So you're just getting a blend of 'branded' fuels anyway.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - skidpan

But supermarkets do not refine their own fuels. They buy them on the spot market. So you're just getting a blend of 'branded' fuels anyway.

As we all know Tesco make all their own brand items and personally pump oil out of the ground and refine it. All the supermarkets do the same.

You are just wasting your time trying to tell people that they get their fuel from the same depots and tanks as the major brands.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - Collos25

Its all in the aditives the tanker driver puts in when he delivers the fuel so they would have you believe .I am glad I live in Germany where supermarket fuel barely exists so the question never arises.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - skidpan

If the wife bought "branded fuel" instead of supermaket fuel it would cost her between about £35 a year assuming there is a 4p per litre difference. If I thought for one minute that she would get better mpg and a better running car I would ensure she bought it. We buy Kellogs Allbran because the Tesco one tastes like chip board and at a £1 a box extra that equates to about £50 a year.

But the simple answer is the car runs no different on Tescos fuel (Asda, Morrisons or Sainsburys as well of course). I log every gallon we buy for all 3 of our cars and other than the mpg differences you expect when you go on holiday or the weather is freezing there is no noticable difference between any of the supermarket brands or "top" brands.

Every fill up returns a slightly different result of course but that is not down to where I bought the fuel from, its simply a result of the fact that you can never drive exactly the same on any 2 tank fulls, its impossible unless you are at a test track or in a lab.

The best tank fill mpg we have ever had on the wifes car was 57 mpg using a brand called TorQ. The worst was 41.6 on Asda. Does that mean that TorQ give 37% better mpg than Asda, of course not. The 57 mpg on TopQ was achived on a tank full that included a 430 mile trip of which 350 was on dual carriageways and motorways with 80 on good A roads, there were no hold ups. The 41.6 mpg from Asda was achieved on a tank that include 2 weeks of crawling about on ice covered roads with temps down to -14 degrees.

The "average" mpg for a tank using the car mostly for the wifes commute is between 49 and 52 mpg but again no two weeks are the same, the M1 runs freely some weeks, others its a car park. Some weeks she visits her mother which is an 80 mile round trip and that improves the mpg.

Sorry, but its impossible for the average motorist to determine if there is any difference between brands.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - Collos25

If there was a difference you could never prove it and I doubt if there is any difference anyway.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - madf

The ASA prevents outright lies in adverts.

There are no adverts claiming branded fuel "WILL " give more mpg. (Some say "may" which is BS)

Therfore it will not.

Case closed.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - unthrottled

I think the chosen phrasing is "up to X% better mpg", or, in other words, less than X%.

Mercedes - CDI diesels - do 'branded' fuels give better mpg? - Paul87

branded diesel doesnt give my car anymore MPG but it definatly makes the engine sound smoother. For the most part I use premium fuel (vpower, ultimate or excellium), for me it usually costs £2 extra a tank, and they suppose to have beetter cleaning/ additive agents than their regular stuff.

As I have a DPF i read that the Vpower and Ultimae burns abit cleaner being part synthetic.

Edited by Paul87 on 30/01/2013 at 22:07