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Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Me again.

Like the car - can just about tolerate this engine but I could do with some more grunt so I had a look at Superchips who can upgrade to the point it becomes a near 90 bhp engine and has as much torque as a 1.8-2.0 petrol engined car.

Adrian Flux can provide cover for £500 fully comp. My existing company does not insure cars against such mods.

My question is , am I playing a dangerous game contemplating such a modification. Are Adrian Flux a decent company? They sound alright.

The car is out of warranty in November 2014 and I would like to keep it for a while.

I have also taken into consideration the cost of changing a DPF. The car is 15 months old.

Thanks

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - jamie745

I'd advise buying something else. Perhaps the 1.6TDCi or one of the petrol models.

Frocks and goats spring to mind.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - gordonbennet

Sounds ok to me, Flux seem well respected on the various forums for dodctored cars.

However if you run your details through Moneysupermarket (the others probably the same) insurance quote engine, in the car declaration there is a breakdown of the usual modifcations, you could put the remap/chip conversion in the relevant box and see who else comes up.

Is this a tuning box you are having or a proper custom remap to your own needs?

May i humby suggest if are you searching out a custom remapper to avoid those who get mentioned every other paragraph on the sort of car forum frequented by young lads.....a case of avoiding overegged puddings if you follow my drift.

I can recommend one good place in the Midlands if you want a referral.

Obviously there could be some evidence of the work whilst the car is still under warranty so bear that risk in mind, if you have a custom remap and the car goes in to the main dealer, they could inadvertantly wipe your new software back to standard.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Hi Gord.

Thanks for the reply

I looked at the superchips website and the only thing that was available was a remap. This bluefin device is not applicable on my model. I will have to do some more research where I could get a tuning box as I was worried about the situation of a dealer resetting ECU back to normal.

In respose to the first person who replied - I did actually put money down on a 1.6 tdci but i was missold it as it didn't come with a DAB radio when the ad said it did and the only other diesel the garage had was a 1.4. I was underwhelmed but it did the job. I do like the specs of the Ecoboost petrols.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - MikeTorque

A Superchip update would invalidate your warranty immediately.

The insurance company you mentioned will offer you one premium for the first year but come the next year it will push it up a heck of a lot, also they tend to have high administration/penalty charges associated with their policies. Cancellation of a policy if you decide/need to sell the car will mean a large financial penalty. I've used them once but never again.

Have you considered a Fiesta 1.6 TDCi, 95ps without any modification ? The Econetic in particular offers a smoother & quieter ride compared to the standard 1.6 TDCi 95ps models, both options offer standard insurance cost, less hassle all round, and no impact on a warranty.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Thanks for the warning. I must admit the quote I was given, by Adrian Flux, was very reasonable. Even the excesses were better. As mentioned above i was that close to getting a 1.6 tdci. Thanks for the quick replies gents. Much appreciated.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - injection doc

"In respose to the first person who replied - I did actually put money down on a 1.6 tdci but i was missold it as it didn't come with a DAB radio when the ad said it did and the only other diesel the garage had was a 1.4. I was underwhelmed but it did the job. I do like the specs of the Ecoboost petrols."

WOW drastic to down to a 1.4TDCi from a 1.6TDCi just to get the DAB.The 1.4 is slow & very noisy & thirsty compared to the 1.6. I went from the 1.4 to the 1.6 TDCi and was astounded in the difference in performance, 1.6 goes like a rocket and is so quiet & my MPG is in the 70's whereas with the 1.4 it was around 53-54.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - MikeTorque

If your budget will stretch to the upgraded & latest version of the Fiesta 1.0 EcoBoost petrol engine then take a test drive in one or two. It's ride is more compliant and quality has been improved throughout (compared with the previous model), fuel economy should be good once it's run in. If you want a DAB radio it's available as an optional extra on Style & Zetec models, standard on Titanium models.

Note: Style & Zetec tyre sizes are 195/55/15, Titanium & Zetec S 195/50/16, the Ford Fiesta brochure is incorrect.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - jamie745

Considering the plethora of cars out there with a DAB radio I find it astonishing you'd spend so much on a 1.4 diesel Fiesta.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Collos25

Not an ordinary 1.4 but one with a DAB makes all the difference.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Paul87

could you not get the DAB retrofitted to car than does not have one preinstalled instead of getting an entierly different car?

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

I did ask about that idea but they were not able to retrofit it with a new DAB unit. Coded part apparently as well as availability.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

I forgot to say - I bought a pre reg model. No way would I buy a brand new model.

At the time (April 2012) there were a few 1.6 TDCis available with all the features including the DAB but were dearer (several hundred pound more).

My pre reg model that was about 6 months old, had 1k on the clock and had about 5 k knocked off the list price. i am not a fast driver and it gives me about 60-65 mpg and costs about £150 a year cheaper to insure. Anyways back to the original question whether its wise to get the car remapped and to have it insured through Flux. Some great replies, as well as sarcastic.

Edited by pork_pie on 25/01/2013 at 22:40

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Collos25

They told you porkies about not being able to retrofit DAB to shifht a piece of tin they couldn.t shift.Any decent ICE will retrofit DAB for a price.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - injection doc

Sorry pork_pie but I'm confused !

your quote " i am not a fast driver "

Then may i ask why you need it chipped ? I really wouldnt bother , its not worth the hassle of insurance & any warranty issues or a failure in the future.

When we changed from our 1.4TDCi to 1.6TDCi the insurance was £26.00 more, I just looked at the increased policy and that was for a year.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Apology not needed.

Was merely contemplating the chipping just for improved driveability thats all and not to floor it.

I will cope with the car it until i sell it. Gets me from A to B so that is the main thing and there has been no fault with it .

Just wondered about the experiences of others who have had this modification done and the implications.

For me the insurance increase would have been that figure quoted earlier on.

I did test drive cars with both engines.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

I did not want to go down this route. I have had bad experiences with having changes in ICE. The car was sold within days .

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Collos25

You simply fit a module to the rear of any radio a splitter in the aerial path and that.s it. Whats all this about bad eperiences with an ICE(do you you know what it means)

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Yes i know what it means thank you.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - SteveLee

So you bought the wrong FORD model because your local dealer only had a partcular model with the right flavour of wireless? These are Fords we're talking about right? Ubiquitous, ten-a-penny, found-on-every-street-corner Ford? Why in god's name couldn't you wait a week and find exactly the model you wanted? Even as pre-regs there are thousands of Fords to choose from. Lecture over! :-)

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Did I say I bought the wrong Ford? All I asked for is advice on chipping and i get berated just because i mentioned DAB. Your comments are certainly have not been constructive at all.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - MikeTorque

I agree, they were most unhelpful. I wish some people would stick to the topic.

pork_pie, please let us know how you get on with your Fiesta, thank you.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - jamie745

Stop being a misery guts. Winding up new people is fun.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - MikeTorque

Grow up, not for them it's not. Treat new people with respect.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - jamie745

Like a stocking full of coal at Christmas you.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Collos25

He wanted a 1.6 but bought a 1.4 now hes not happy sounds as though he bought the wrong car,how do put it politey.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Avant

Hear, hear, Mike - my feelings exactly.

Jamie thinks it's funny to wind new members up (it isn't); Collos specialises in Schadenfreude. "How do put it politey" (meaning "how to put it politely") - answer: don't put it at all. If you've nothing helpful to say, just DON'T COMMENT.

Unless you're well up in Fiestas, if a suitable 1.6 can't be found, it's quite reasonable to think that a 1.4 available at the same dealership might go well enough. Pork Pie, having found it a bit on the slow side, is simply asking for advice on whether or not chipping is a good idea.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Mike Torque, Avant and Gordon Bennett.

Thanks for making the effort to treat me with respect with some decent replies unlike the angry bullies we have on here. It is a motoring forum, not some football messaging board.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Collos25.

Once again I have said, I am happy with the 1.4.

Politely? You? You must be kidding. You have been rude and condescending. If you do not know the answer, don't bother trying to answer.

Edited by pork_pie on 27/01/2013 at 15:26

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

Jamie 745

If you think winding people up is funny, on a motoring forum of all places, then there is something wrong with you.

Edited by pork_pie on 27/01/2013 at 15:26

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Collos25

One reason why DAB is a complete failure in cars is it doesn´t work properly. Here in Germany and many other countries in Europe have dropped it all together and will no longer offer it in there cars even DAB +.nor are there any radio companies transmitting DAB ecept the UK plus many Japanese radio manufacturers have dropped the hardware from their production lists.I do think it will be long before it quitely disappears in the UK.

And regarding your comments you are the one who bought the wrong car even if you will not admit it hence the chipping question the reason being because its not powerful or quick enough for you.We all make mistakes so don´t worry about but don´t jump down peoples throat for your own shortcomings.

One more thing to think about is the DVLA if you do chip it your log book will be invalid and any warranty on the car will also be invalid.

Edited by Collos25 on 27/01/2013 at 20:06

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

But being the original poster I can admit, and not for the first time, that i have not bought the wrong car. I am merely asking about the possibility of modding it. Do I have to repeat myself?

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - RT

But being the original poster I can admit, and not for the first time, that i have not bought the wrong car. I am merely asking about the possibility of modding it. Do I have to repeat myself?

Wanting to increase the power output of a car when a higher powered version is/was readily available would be considered as having bought the wrong version by most people.

On a practical note - you'd need to inform your insurer of the modification who may put the premium up above the level you're trying to "match" - because the brakes/suspension won't have been upgraded to suit the higher engine output.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

I would have changed the car otherwise. Am not going to upgrade.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Ethan Edwards

Adrian Flux are a Broker NOT an Insurance company and yes from all accounts they are an excellent Broker for specialist vehicles. But they are NOT bearing any risk whatsoever.

I wish people would understand the likes of Aviva, Zurich etc are Insurance companies the likes of Flux and Swintons are Brokers. Please google this very significant difference if your at all unsure. Yes I do work in the industry.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Avant

That's a very valuable point, Ethan. People do get confused, even those of us who know a bit about cars.

For example, Footman James advertise in the BMW Car Club magazine: I could Google them in a moment but just now I couldn't say whether they are a broker or an insurer. I'd guess an insurer because I once rang them asking for a quote for the Z3. It was so high that I said no thanks before asking any more questions!

Edit: just Googled them and I'm still confused. Their home page says that they're brokers but another page says "Footman James’ classic car insurance policies include the following as standard....". It's quite easy from that to assume that they write the policies.

Edited by Avant on 28/01/2013 at 00:14

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - Ethan Edwards

Yeah they are brokers. Brokers can have whats called a delegated authority whereby they are binding risks on behalf of a company. They are not risk bearing and operate within guidelines / ratings etc from the company. Agency agreement if you like. In FJ's case branded by them but the risk will be underwritten by a company or companies (or Lloyds syndicate- such as the one I work for).

Can be confusing.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - skidpan

The OP says:

"But being the original poster I can admit, and not for the first time, that i have not bought the wrong car. I am merely asking about the possibility of modding it. Do I have to repeat myself?"

Yet he says earlier that he was "underwhelmed" when he test drove the car.

If he was "underwhelmed" he bought the wrong car. If I test drove a car and was "underwhelmed" I would not carry on and buy it.

OK, perhaps not the wrong car but the wrong engine.

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - pork_pie

I have driven several cars with the 1.6 litre diesel engine (as we know this engine is installed in many cars) so I knew what to expect with the Fiesta. The 1.6 version was very good. I had no experience of the 1.4 diesel so at the first test drive I was obviously underwhelmed by the fact that low down it was sluggish but by the time I decided on choosing it I felt that this was not a problem and there are more important things going on in the world. So long i have the privilege of owning a car that got me from A to B then that is fine. I am not going to get the car chipped.

Edited by pork_pie on 28/01/2013 at 08:54

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - gordonbennet

Just to add a bit to this.

We recently sold our Citroen C2VTS which had the 1.6HDi engine but in 110hp guise.

Yes it went well enough having oodles of torque but in standard tune until you got to about 1700rpm when it all kicked off.

There's two reasons we often wondered if we'd bought the wrong car, one the damned thing had a timebomb DPF and two the stiffening of the suspension and upping of the brakes to 'cope'.

IMO the suspension was far too hard and led eventually to the car being sold on, together with the road noise the oversized elastic band tyres was unbelievable and that was after my efforts to soundproof which halved the original din, on a billard smooth road with roundabouts or sharp bends etc you'd be hard pressed to find a normal car that could stay with it, but finding a smooth road in Northants is an impossible task and that rock hard suspension had you constantly correcting the car as it leapt from pot hole to patchwork repair. This wasn't felt so bad on test drive because it was driven in another county our fault that.

On rough roads i can make better progess in our Outlander or my 17 year old MB, my son found exactly the same with his wifes Panda 100hp which is now sold too, on undulating roads he was always fighting the thing where their CRV just goes where he points it without any drama, as does his Jag S type which is now his workaday car.

We did wonder several times whether we would have been better off getting the C2 1.4 Diesel (no DPF) and having it remapped, almost as much power, softer suspension and brakes that were not so overservoed and so overpowering for the light little car that they'd nearly put you through the screen.

The VTS was a superb little car in some ways but with several serious design faults i won't bore you with here, the only thing we miss about it is the mid range power and the £30 VED and reasonable but not brilliant economy if you use the power, otherwise we're glad to see the back of it.

This overlong, sorry, post is to say that the more powerful engine option isn't always the best option when you are forced to take unwanted baggage that goes with it.

Pork Pie's 1.4 if remapped might well turn out to be a good choice, he won't know what the insurers think about that until he puts some details into one of the comparison sites.

Warranty issues, well its quite possible a remap could go undetected by the main dealer though they could inadvertantly wipe it, but something like a Steinbauer tuning box wired in quietly could be removed before a main dealer visit if one were so inclined, not as i'd suggest such a thing...;)

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - oldtoffee

I've had a number of my cars remapped and have been pleased with all the resuts. The "best" was probably the most boring a 2.0HDi Citroen Picasso 90bhp. The new 1.6 was due out with 110bhp so the deals on the old iron block 2 litre were mad so I bought one. Brilliant family car for the money but a tad gutless. So I had it upped to 110bhp and it completely transformed the way the car went and could be driven. Quicker, punchier through all the rev range and used no more fuel. Never had any problems in 30 months and 50k miles.

I imagine you'd be similarly pleased if you did this to your Fiesta and shop around you probably won't have to pay any extra for a sensible increase in power. Another shout for Adrian Flux, very good.

Edited by oldtoffee on 29/01/2013 at 08:29

Fiesta 70ps 1.4 Tdci - Chipping a diesel? - glowplug

Hi Pork Pie - good name BTW.

It sounds as if a tuning box would be ideal for you. To point out the obvious, with a remap once it's on it on and isn't easy to get off. If something goes wrong with your car you could be up the creek with the dealer. It isn't adjustable, etc.

However the right tuning box is cheaper, easy to install or remove, usually adjustable, transferable to your next car (possibly) and can improve throttle response at lower revs than a remap.

Check out this site - tuning-diesels.com/Synergy/Synergy.htm

You know the risks, the choice is yours as are the consequences.

Steve.