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SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
Hi there!
I'm a newbie so forgive my knowledge !
I need some advice as to what to expect for being arrested for a drunken crash I have had.Basically I crashed my beloved seat Leon into a traffic light pole after downing 4 cans of Speciel brew and lost control and hit it.
I was kept within the car by 2 members of the public(and quite rightly so) but when the police arrived apparently I swung for one of the guys who trapped me in the car to which I was duly taken to the floor and handcuffed .

I gave a reading of 104 and pleaded guilty straightaway( obviously) fully co operated after the incident it is a first time motoring offence in 23 years of driving and ive been a TOTAL ASS in doing this stupid thing and I am a clinical depressive and an alcoholic and have never even attempted to drive before whilst drinking, I'm up in court soon and have hired a brief(yet to meet/speak)
But I need to know what punishment I should expect?

My life is in ruins and just don't know what to do:-(
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - dacouch

Which Insurer are you covered with as some (not all) companies won't pay for the damage to your own car and some will look to recover the cost of the damge to other property from you. Damage to traffic lights is surprisingly expensive.

SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
I probably have posted this in the wrong forum.?
As I said newbie.I was wanting more advice on what I should expect in the way of punishment!
As for my beloved Leon it's been written off:-(

I have a million and one questions going around my head about this whole stupid senario including where do I stand with my insurance and would they pay out if charged etc?
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - Rachaelink

They will pay out for any third party damage you have caused. They may decide to not indemnify you going forward, and therefore not pay for your damage and seek recovery from you for any outlays. It is up to the insurance company, and indeed the handler who is overseeing this file.

SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - dacouch

It's more up to what the policy actually says rather than what the Insurance company or claim handler says, luckily they cannot make it up as they go along

SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - Rachaelink

Its not a case of making it up as they go along, but its not a hard and fast rule either. Each claim/ underwriting case is taken on its merits.

There will not be anything in policy wording that would relate to drink driving offences and the insurers decision to indemnify or not.

SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - dacouch
Rachaelink

"Its not a case of making it up as they go along, but its not a hard and fast rule either. Each claim/ underwriting case is taken on its merits.

There will not be anything in policy wording that would relate to drink driving offences and the insurers decision to indemnify or not."

I'm sorry to be blunt, but that is rubbish.

An Insurance Policy is a contract that also happens to be governed by the RTA.

As you rightly mentioned they will pay out third party claims as they have no choice to under the RTA.

The only circumstances they could then try and recover it from their own policy holder is if the policy which do not forget is a contract contains a relevant wording that they reserve the right to recover from the policyholder if they're convicted of drink driving.

The above same will apply to the own damage although that is not governed by the RTA so providing they have the right wording the can refuse to pay the own damage claim.

They will and cannot judge each claim on it's own merits and decide to indemnify or not if they do not have a restriction in the policy. It's simple contract law which is backed up by the FSA ICOBS rules on claims, Ombudsman and Unfair Contracts Law and to some extent the Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading regulations.

They can only go by what the Policy wording says, if it does contain a restriction about drink driving then they can agree to waive it but they cannot impose something that is not in the Policy. Where would we be in an Insurer could just decide whether to pay a claim that is covered by the Policy wording...

There are plenty of Insurers whose policies contain a restriction whereby they will seek to recover payments to third parties for convicted drink drivers and / or refuse own damage claims. The reasons these Insurers include these is because they have to if they want to impose these terms. I'll happily give you a list of a number of Insurers who have this in their policy if you don't believe me alternatively you can look for yourself, it tends to be the cheap and cheerful companies.

Here is an Endorsement from Admiral.

"15 Drink and drugs clause

If an accident happens whilst you or any person entitled to drive under Section 5 of your

current Certificate of Motor Insurance:

¦ is found to be over the prescribed limit for alcohol

¦ is driving whilst unfit through drink or drugs, whether prescribed or otherwise

¦ fails to provide a sample of breath, blood or urine when required to do so, without lawful reason

No cover under the policy will be provided and instead, liability will be restricted to meeting the obligations as required by Road Traffic law. In those circumstances, we will recover from you or the driver, all sums paid (including all legal costs), whether in settlement or under a Judgment, of any claim arising from the accident"

SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - tony g
(But I need to know what punishment I should expect? )

Okay ,it's not great ,but its not the end of the world either .No one was injured .

Once your brief explains everything to the magistrates .Depending on your personal / financial circumstances .Your looking at a fine in the region of £600 ,a two year ban ,plus court costs of around £400 .

In addition your car insurance will be very expensive the next time you renew .If you have been clinically diagnosed as depressive and an alcoholic ,you could consider giving up driving .
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
Thanks for the info sir!
I'm expecting a custodial sentence tbh and if that does happen then I think that will just top it for me as I will lose everything.
As for the depression and alcohol I see a counsellor and go to AA from time to time(obviously need to attend regularly now)

And I think the ban would assist me in deciding not to drive again?
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - tony g
Hi,
If this is your first offence ,you won't get a custodial sentence .
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
Apart from having 3 points for speeding 11 years ago and a couple of cautions for non motoring offences would this have any baring on a custodial sentence?
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - tony g
The three points are so long ago ,they have no relevance ,so your likely to be judged just on this one offence .Dont worry about it ,just deal with the situation in a positive way .
Sort things out with your solicitor ,I'm sure your not looking at a custodial sentence .Its a serious offence ,but your looking at a fine and a driving ban , nothing more .
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
Thank you Tony g for the reply I hope you are right?
I will post after court date(hopefully ):-0
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
I received a 2 year ban £145 costs and 80 hours Community order unpaid work
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - tony g
A relatively good result ,well done .
I hope things go better for you in future .
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
Although not ideal and I'm not dumbing down the offence by any means.
Yes a better result than I was expecting.

Thanks for the advice Tony g and yes onwards and upwards(on my bike that is)
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - FP

"...a better result than I was expecting."

Indeed, it could have been a lot worse.

A pity to spoil your record of 23 years of driving, but the whole incident and its aftermath have clearly made you stop and think and that's the main thing. You did also mention depression and alcoholism, which I know are very big challenges. (Well, I know about depression, anyway.)

All the best.

Edited by FP on 25/01/2013 at 11:11

SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - ORGANICNUTTER
Indeed it has stopped me in my tracks.
It's going to be a tough couple of years not driving but ironically after trying for a long time to beat the alcohol this has made me quit the stuff.

Yeh I'm gutted about the 23 years clean driving and now this but I only have myself to blame and as you point out it could have been a lot worse ?

Thanks and right back at you all the best.
SEAT Leon Cupra R - Drink drive accident - CQ

If you blew 104 this will put you in the high risk category and you will have to have a medical in the three months before your licence is due back.